MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Sunday, September 22nd, 04:19 GMT

Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. "Vote" periods last for one week. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!"). All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
9. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
10. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% support to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% support to win. If the required support threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use the {{proposal check}} tool to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks (at the earliest).
12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
14. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for writing guidelines and talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

---

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "September 22, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

---

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the subject page of the talk page it is posted on.
5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Split truck into cargo truck and pickup truck (discuss) Deadline: September 21, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Split the navigation template for Donkey Kong between arcade and Game Boy versions (discuss) Deadline: September 21, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Crocodile Isle (Donkey Kong 64) to Crocodile Isle (discuss) Deadline: September 21, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Prune "sports" games from Black Shy Guy in line with White Shy Guy and Red Boo (discuss) Deadline: September 21, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Determine what to do with the feather item from Super Mario 64 DS (currently on Wing Cap) (discuss) Deadline: September 21, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Consider the "Blurp" and "Deep Cheep" in the Super Mario Maker games an alternate design of Cheep Cheep with the former twos' designs as a cameo rather than a full appearance of the former two, in line with the game's own classification (discuss) Deadline: September 25, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Add English to {{foreign names}} and retitle to {{international names}} (discuss) Deadline: September 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Allow usage of {{Release}} as a generic "flag list" template (discuss) Deadline: September 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Preying Mantas with Jellyfish (discuss) Deadline: September 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Create article(s) for the SM64DS character rooms (discuss) Deadline: September 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Create an article for the Peach doll from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (discuss) Deadline: September 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Remove the remaining non-Super Mario "stage gimmicks and hazards" from Super Smash Bros. (discuss) Deadline: October 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Remove non-Super Mario "stage cameos" from Super Smash Bros. (discuss) Deadline: October 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Rename {{Manga infobox}} to {{Publication infobox}} (discuss) Deadline: October 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Play Nintendo secret message puzzles (discuss) Deadline: October 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge categories for Donkey Kong Country remakes with their base game's categories (discuss) Deadline: October 5, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)

^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the New Super Mario Bros. games, the Super Mario Maker games, Super Mario Run, or Super Mario Bros. Wonder

Expand use of "rawsize" gallery class, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended July 19, 2024)

Do not use t-posing models as infobox images, Nightwicked Bowser (ended September 1, 2024)

Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)

Tag sections regarding the unofficially named planets/area in Super Mario Galaxy games with "Conjecture" and "Dev data" templates, GuntherBayBeee (ended September 10, 2024)

Rename the remaining baseball teams to their current titles, GuntherBayBeee (ended September 19, 2024)

Add WikiLove extension, Super Mario RPG (ended September 20, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)

Split Bowser's Flame from Fire Breath, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)

Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)

List of Talk Page Proposals

• Split the sections Attackathlon, Toad Quiz and Lakitu Info Centre into Template:Fakelink and Template:Fakelink (Discuss) Passed
• Split Spiny Fish from Spiny Cheep Cheep (Discuss) Deadline: May 2, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Merge all YWW [X] Patch Articles with Their Non-Patch Articles

In Yoshi's Woolly World, some enemies, such as the Ruffin Tumble, have a patch form, that is simply a pixelated version of the original enemy; they're the exact same as the originals, except that they look different and that the patch forms are seen in blocks, and are released after the block is eaten. I don't think that one minor difference is enough to warrant separate articles for the original and the patch form. The only thing that might be a problem is their positions in the Scrapbook Theater, but I'm not sure that warrants separate articles either.

Proposer: Roy Koopa (talk)
Deadline: April 18, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Roy Koopa (talk) My proposal.

Oppose

1. Superchao (talk) Looking at the Dream Team enemies, the R enemies all have separate changes, despite being only recolors with different stats. For consistency, the patch enemies should keep their own pages.
2. 3D Player 2010 (talk) per Superchao
3. LudwigVon (talk) - Per Superchao.
4. Bazooka Mario (talk) I don't necessarily agree with comparison Superchao is trying to make. We separate R enemies because they're treated as separate enemies, supported by stats and a recolor. We do sometimes merge mere aesthetic variants such as the Scarescraper ghosts. I do oppose because there are only four patch enemies in the game, so all we're getting are four harmless small articles on a minor aesthetic variant. You can also argue that the methods for encountering them is different compared to the standard enemy as another case to leave them split, but just the amount of articles alone tells me it's okay to leave them as standalone.
5. PowerKamek (talk) Per Superchao and Bazooka Mario.
6. Niiue (talk) Completely different enemies. Per all.
7. Ghost Jam (talk) Per Bazooka Mario.
8. AfternoonLight (talk) Per Bazooka Mario!

Comments

It may be an issue if all enemies have a patch form, but it seems to me that we have only Bullet Bill Patch, Monty Mole Patch, Nipper Spore Patch, and Ruffin' Tumble Patch that exist. Maybe it's not so bad that we leave it as it is? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:14, 11 April 2016 (EDT)

Create a template for proposal outcomes

The current coding for the proposal outcome is repetitive and cumbersome to remember every single time we need to archive a proposal, which has resulted in inconsistent headers (we first used Times New Roman, then switched to Comic Sans, and we're allowed to do that because one, there's virtually no guideline on this, and two, the coding is a crap to remember). So, exactly why isn't the outcomes in a template again? Repetitive coding is essentially template fodder, and there's no reason why we need to remember and duplicate difficult to remember coding when we can simply remember a template and use switchers to depend on the outcomes of a proposal. ‎Megadardery (talk) has created various templates in his sandbox pages to demonstrate how we can use the template to make archiving proposals easier.

• A test on how the new template will look like.
• Draft page for the template

In the long term, I believe this will greatly benefit users who want to archive older proposals and will make remembering the exact coding less of a hassle.

Also, this will eliminate the egregious misplacement of the notorious and extremely unprofessional Comic Sans font, which will be replaced by Verdana. Comic Sans is not a web-safe font, and any browser who doesn't have it installed will fallback to Arial and therefore look incredibly inconsistent with different browsers, whereas, Verdana is a web-safe standard font that should be used for more professional headers, especially those that notify readers the outcomes of important wiki matters. If past "minor" problems such as the misuse of subspecies and beta elements can be addressed, I don't see why it's particularly difficult to address what is essentially a design problem, which is more important to others than others, like terminology. The little things matter too.

Update: Both options have been merged into one, increasing flexibility of the template.

Proposer: Baby Luigi (talk), with great help from Megadardery (talk)
Deadline: April 26, 2016, 23:59 GMT

Implement

1. Baby Luigi (talk)

Comments

Maybe we can take a step further and color-code proposal outcomes similar to color legend in the proposals archive? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:47, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

i don't know, i think it's a bit complex to remember what passed and what didn't, and over time, we might have to remember to change it. I think sticking to a three color scheme would keep those simpler. You also have to keep in mind that this also applies to TPP, not simply mainspace proposals, so more stuff gets affected. Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:02, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

It is the simplest thing currently: green passed, red failed, gray has no impact.--

19:05, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

---A spontaneous idea is that we could technically allow both ways of using the template.--

19:09, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

I wouldn't be 100% opposed to this, but wouldn't it overcomplicate things? Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:10, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

I did it with a slight modification. If you feel that this creates an inconsistency you can revert it, it's your idea after all.--

19:13, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

I'm a stupid layperson, so it's pretty unclear to me what you changed. Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:15, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

"Comic Sans is not a web-safe font, and any browser who doesn't have it installed will fallback to Times New Roman"

It'll actually fallback to the default Arial typeface, so that's not a valid point. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:41, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

whatever Ray Trace^(T|C) 21:33, 18 April 2016 (EDT)

@Mister Wu: tie is basically no-quorum, I created that because it is certainly easier to write than no-quorum, even if it is technically incorrect. The end result is the same. In reality, the template defaults to the no-quorum if you don't specify/specify something incorrectly.

@Baby Luigi: right now, if you specify a color (red,green,gray/grey) in the first parameter you can use the second format, otherwise you default to the first format. The usage didn't even get a slight change. And the template edit is just ~55 bytes. Fundamentally I removed the second version so this proposal can focus on the idea of implementing a template in the first place.--

05:13, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

Sounds good. I think I'll just remove option 2 and I'll reset the votes considering that options have been changed (but not the proposal itself). btw, which link to the coding itself is the updated one, so i can link it to my proposal? Ray Trace^(T|C) 10:57, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

Merging option 2 in makes me slightly tempted to oppose. As I said in my original vote, "More parameters might be slightly more complex to use, but make it much less likely that things will end as a mess of inconsistency all over again." I really think this is a serious misstep... - Reboot (talk) 11:07, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

@Baby Luigi: It's already been updated. The template draft stayed at User_talk:Megadardery/2 and the usage doc stayed at User_talk:Megadardery/1.

@Reboot: The usage didn't get the slightest modification, it was simply merged with the other version. You can use whichever you want. The parameters stayed as simple as they were. Check the usage page again.--

11:12, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.