Category talk:Donkey Kong Country (Game Boy Color)

Delete

This category page seems pointless. All of this games unique elements are included on Donkey Kong Country's category pages, making this redundant. This should be deleted. Starluxe (talk) 7:52, August 19, 2024 (GMT)

I think the DKC remake pages need to be trimmed largely, having most of their info copied from the main Donkey Kong Country page, which goes against the Once and only once policy. But I suppose this is a fair starting point. Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:20, August 19, 2024 (EDT)

I agree, majority of the remake pages are just covering characters, enemies, etc. that are all from and covered on the original game and it's page. But about this category page, this and possibly Donkey Kong Country 3's GBA category too should be deleted as all elements can be covered on the SNES originals categories. Also, all of the GBA's Mario Bros. elements ts are on the Mario Bros. category pages. Starluxe (talk) 11:32, August 20, 2024 (GMT)

In the meantime, I've added a delete-request template on the category. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:20, August 20, 2024 (EDT)

Is it worth tagging Donkey Kong Country 2 and 3's GBA category page with the delete tag too because that info can be included on the originals pages too, like this one. Starluxe (talk) 23:32, August 20, 2024 (GMT)

Yes. Is one of us going to cut down the DKC remake pages to avoid redundancy? Super Mario RPG (talk) 18:55, August 20, 2024 (EDT)

Pardon, but the categories should exist for content that isn't in the originals. Lumping them in the categories for the originals is, by definition, lying. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 11:54, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

No, I don't believe so. It's not like we have categories for every obscure release of Donkey Kong or Mario Bros. for home computer systems we've never heard of. Super Mario RPG (talk) 12:02, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

We don't even have separate pages for those (and the only unique entities I can think of from them are wafer and drop). Also, those wouldn't have enough entities in them for a unique subcategory by our category rules. These, meanwhile, do. This is more akin to Category:Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3, which itself should be trimmed of the non-unique things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:14, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

But the difference is that those are different games. These can just be looked at on the respective DKC remake pages. The only true additions are the minigames, and a "DKC minigames" category can cover for that. A Pacifica category could work as a subcategory of Northern Kremisphere. Super Mario RPG (talk) 12:18, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

If you're looking for something specific to the remakes in a category, or specific to the originals in a category, it makes sense for those categories to be split, especially when the lumped-together version would be overwhelmingly large. If you really want to change how that works, make a proposal and don't just start removing categories. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:22, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

I was not the one removing these categories. I just said I'm okay with them being removed. Super Mario RPG (talk) 12:26, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

I'm aware. I have already informed Starluxe of this matter. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:27, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

Deleting: Part 2

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Current time: Sunday, September 29, 2024, 22:51 GMT

Okay, there seems to be rather a big disagreement whether this, as well as DKC2 and DKC3's GBA ports category pages are actually needed. Almost every game that has a reissue has its subjects covered on the originals category page, so it should be no different here. I originally brought up how Mario Bros. GBA's is listed on the original's category page, with that and these remakes having unique elements despite being the same game. And it is like this with most games, with the only example I can think of where it isn't is the Super Mario Advance series. Which those games are more distinct and have more content (like e-Reader support) unlike these DKC remakes.

Proposer: Starluxe (talk)
Deadline: October 5, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Starluxe (talk) Per proposal

#Super Mario RPG (talk) Per Starluxe

Oppose

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Per what I said above. It makes the most sense to not lump reissue-exclusive content with the originals when we can help it, both for navigation and transparency's sake. These have unique minigames with their own content, new items and objects (and sometimes even enemies and levels) and are very much more than a simple port.
2. Nintendo101 (talk) I think folks sometimes have narrow (stricto) or broad (lato) views of what a subject conceptually encompasses. (Incidentally, this is also true in my neck of the woods and many other fields.) For some people, the Game Boy Color release of Donkey Kong Country is ontologically the same as the original SNES game and not so different from, say, the SNES game's release on WiiWare or Nintendo Switch Online. For others, it represents a divergence from that original SNES title, as it was developed from the ground-up for its rerelease (thus subject to limitations unique to Game Boy Color hardware not present for the original SNES game) and has unique subjects not found in the original SNES game - those are differentiating enough to warrant clarified focus. Philosophically, neither perspective is inherently more correct than the other. It is always a difficult needle to thread. However, for this case, I personally do think it is beneficial to distinguish subjects only found in particular rereleases/remasters/remakes/etc. from the ones found in the original release. Given those exist for the GBC Donkey Kong Country, I support holding on to this category. There are editorial benefits to doing this, including keeping the door open for users who want to write more deeply about the GBC game; mitigating the chances of someone accidently writing false information about the SNES release on or off the wiki; and provides quick reference of comparison for editors and readers a like. It is nice for me to know that there are levels subjects unique to the GBC version of Donkey Kong Country, and it is just helpful to have a small category list covering that.
3. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per all. The Game Boy remakes are different enough that using these categories for Game Boy-exclusive subjects is warranted.
4. Hewer (talk) Per Doc.
5. Mario jc (talk) Per Doc.

Comments

I personally think it is beneficial to have distinct categories for subjects found only in the rerelease/remaster/remake of a title versus the original game, but for this specific case, are there unique subjects (i.e. enemies, characters, minigames, levels, etc.) in the Game Boy Color release of Donkey Kong Country that are absent in the SNES release? Because if those types of things are not covered on the wiki it is probably due to a lack of sufficient coverage than an objective reflection of what's in that GBC game. - Nintendo101 (talk) 13:45, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

Necky Nutmare, Crosshair Cranky, Funky Fishing, Candy's Challenge, everything associated with those. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:52, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

So just one level, one location, and two minigames (which can just go under a Donkey Kong Country minigames section). That's not enough if we're left if just those two: Necky Nutmare and Candy's Challenge. Super Mario RPG (talk) 14:01, September 21, 2024 (EDT)

"Everything associated with those" includes other things like the Spin Barrel, plus miscellaneous things like green bananas and DK Sticker Packs. And the GBA ones each have even more. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:49, September 21, 2024 (EDT)