MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}. Signing with the signature code ~~~(~) is not allowed due to technical issues. How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by Bureaucrats. Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo, Conker or Sonic series articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history). The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. CURRENTLY: 20:53, 15 May 2024 (EST) New Features None at the moment. Removals The 'Shroom This wouldn't be a full "removal" per say, that is – we wouldn't delete all of the pages, but maybe put a cascading protection on all of them, so it would end up being a joyful anachronism... But let's be honest. Only 1/9 articles besides Director-related stuff was put in on time yesterday. Ever since I quit Directors don't do what they're supposed to do – recruit new writers, as the current director would say, AGGRESSIVELY, and not firing the ones that can't meet a deadline. All of this has led to declined activity the past two months, making it a shame to the sidebar. It's time to make it a thing of the past. Proposer: Wayoshi (talk) Deadline: 14 December, 15:00 Bai-Bai Nao Wayoshi (talk) – All in all...there is little need, demand or even care for the entire project now. Ghost Jam (talk) Per Wayoshi. Failed project is failed. 3DD (talk) Per all. Me No Wantz It 2 Go Blitzwing (talk) - I wasn't the greatest or more authoritative director YESH YESH YESH, but that's no excuse to penalize possible competent directors or the users who posted their sections in timely manner. Beside, considering comments you left some times ago, I am fairly sure you're only doing this to troll me. Super-Yoshi (talk) - Per Blitz. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Per all. Long live The 'Shroom!!! They're still users that read and also work on The 'Shroom. Stumpers (talk) - If it isn't hurting anyone, why should the 'Shroom end? Besides, life and other Wiki needs should come before the Shroom, so I think you can excuse the majority of my fellow writers who, like me, have finals coming up or in process. I know that's why my Travel Guide isn't in (not to mention the Mama Mario article) Stooben Rooben (talk) - Per my comment below. Glitchman (talk) - Per my comment below. Dom (talk) - All our hard work gone? That's depressing, even for an emo like me :_: Also read my comment below. Mateus 23 (talk) - Per Stooben's comment below. Luigi001 (talk) - Per all. Just because people hand it in late, doesn't mean we have to shut down the whole project. (Amost) Everyone gets it in at some point, and having it in late is better than not having it in at all. White Knight (talk) - Per Luigi001 Randoman123456789 (talk) - Per Blitzwing. The 'Shroom is pretty important at times. Tucayo (talk) - Per Blitz and Stooben's commentary Nerdy Guy (talk) - Per all. Jaffffey (talk) - I've never been late for the shroom (there was an error regrarding the forum, but still) we try our hardest, mbut we do have other things to do in our lives. As long as I still get my warning, I think the Shroom will be fine. Comments So, this proposal is just about firing the people who cannot meet the deadline, and protecting all the 'Shroom pages? Nvm, Wayo told me that we will stop creating issues and protect the old ones. So the 'Shroom will go down. I need some time to think my vote over :/ - Super-Yoshi (talk) Right – I simply mentioned that the failure to fire incompetent writers led to this proposal. Wayoshi (talk) 12:49, 7 December 2008 (EST) Wut!! Firing all the people who cannot meet the deadline but what if they're just an few hours late or a day late. Wut!!!! Closing down Teh 'Shroom but... Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) I'd like to point out that most sections weren't late yesterday: It was my own failure to update the page in a timely manner, which I apologize for. Also, I must that making this proposal during the elector direction is the best/worst fraking lack of timing I ever saw. --Blitzwing 12:57, 7 December 2008 (EST) A) I've been thinking about this for awhile, so this isn't a personal attack or any c-rap like that. B) There's no point to give a new director a chance, because the pieces are now all too disjointed. Wayoshi (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2008 (EST) ...I don't really see the point in doing this. The 'Shroom was made as a community activity for any willing users to participate in. If users don't send in their sections, they get fired – unless, of course, they have a good reason for not sending it in. So maybe all of the sections aren't getting sent in on time, or even at all. That's not entirely the Director's fault; a large part of the blame should go to that section's writer, (unless, like I said, they have a good reason for NOT sending in their section(s).) I for one, have always sent in my sections on time, except for when I was on hiatus. Why is this? Because I think that The 'Shroom is a vital part in bringing the community together. I make my sections unique to make the readers feel more welcomed to other parts of the paper. If we have users that don't send in their sections without a good reason, then they need to be replaced by more responsible users. Sometimes, life gets in the way of things: You have to remember, almost all members of The 'Shroom are kids, so they have to worry about school, homework, chores, they could be grounded, they have friends, whatever. Life gets in the way, and that's understandable. If it's something as simple as "I didn't feel up to doing it this month", then they aren't an extremely responsible party. Getting rid of The 'Shroom will likely make a huge dent in the community of this site. While encyclopedic efforts are our number-one priority on this site, (no doubt), we wouldn't have an encyclopedia if it weren't for our members. And if our members didn't communicate between each other, or see what one another is capable of, then our encyclopedic intake would drop dramatically. The effort one puts in his or her section can also be looked at for what they could do as a Sysop. If their sections are neatly-written, are sent in on time (or a little late with good reason), and they show a good amount of responsibility, that can be looked at as a sort of key to what they could do as a Sysop – of course, they would have to follow the other guidelines. Nonetheless, The 'Shroom is a great part of this site, and it makes it really unique from all other wikis out there...especially all other Mario Wikis. Let a new director have a chance; maybe things will clear up a little more. IMO, The 'Shroom could be in a lot worse place than it is now. -- Stooben Rooben (talk) 15:43, 7 December 2008 (EST) St00by made a lot of good points, but I see your point too Wayoshi. Sure, the Shroom's popularity and amount of coverage has been declining, but rather than shut it down completely I just think that a few major changes have to be made. First of all, every writer that has been tardy with their articles repeatedly, which nowadays is just about everyone, should be replaced. And we're also having a new director election at present, and a new director could obviously help with the release enforcement problems you mentioned. So I think a new director, new writers, and a redesigned community newspaper can effectively restore the 'Shrooms popularity. After all, Mariowiki is doing nothing but grow, so if we can restore the newspaper to its former glory it will be twice as popular as it ever was. Definitely worth keeping it around for a while. Glitchman (talk) 23:37, 7 December 2008 (EST) Question: Which section was the only one put in on time yesterday? Was it mine? Because I put it in myself as Blitzwing hadn't got round to it yet... Also, if we improve it then surely more readers will be interested... won't they? Dom (talk) InfectedShroom: I do read The 'Shroom. Mateus 23 (talk) He's not the only one. Sheese appreciate the facts that some users read The 'Shroom. (And maybe guest now and then read The 'Shroom) Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) I read it too. I would join if there were anything open, so there is still care. Nerdy Guy (talk) MarioWiki:The 'Shroom/Sign Up There are a few spots open. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Eh, fine. You all are right. I'll go all indifferent and remove my vote. :P InfectedShroom (talk) Answer:MarioWiki:The 'Shroom/XXII/FTMV was the first thing added to this month's 'Shroom. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Splits & Merges Super Mario Amada Series We currently have an article entitled Super Mario Amada Series that encompasses three works: Super Mario Momotaro, Super Mario Issunboshi, and Super Mario Snow White. Each was released in separate tapes and were not part of one grander three part serial, but were rather separate stories. Each was just shy of 20 minutes long, rivaling each full episode of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! in length. Now, take into account that each of those episodes currently has two articles: one for the live-action segment and one for the cartoon. Thus, the three subjects are certainly notable enough for their own articles. I should note, only Issunboshi is long enough as it stands not to be considered a stub, but each video's article could easily be made as long. Thus, I propose we split the article into: Super Mario Momotaro, Super Mario Issunboshi, and Super Mario Snow White. Proposer: Stumpers (talk) Deadline: December 12, 2008, 20:00 Support Stumpers (talk) - See my reasoning above. Son of Suns (talk) - They are part of a series of three individual cartoons, just as the Paper Mario series is made up of three individual games. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Per all. These cartoons are all based on different fairly tale stories and they are individual not the same, so these article should be spilt. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. Not many people have watched the movies, but there's still enough information out there to make decent articles if we're willing to work at it. Stooben Rooben (talk) - Per all. Grandy02 (talk) - Per all, every episode tells a different story. Super-Yoshi (talk) - Per Stumpers. Alex25 - Per all. RAP (talk) - Per all. Lawl, I wrote that section! :3 The Issunboshi one. :P Oppose Comments As an aside, the name of the article is fan-made as far as I know: Amada is the name of the company that produced them and "Super Mario Amada" was a term used by TheMushroomKingdom.net. The intro to Momotaro calls itself, "Super Mario Momotaro." If this proposal does not pass, we still need to change the title of the article. Stumpers (talk) Split Adventure Mode Enemies (SSBM) and Subspace Army into individual articles This proposal would give individual enemies listed in each of theses their own pages, reversing this previous decision. I am proposing this for several reasons. First, according to MarioWiki: Canonicity, there is no official canon, so we should not discriminate between different types of enemies in the greater Mario franchise. Additionally, the MarioWiki: Importance Policy says there are no restrictions on the number of articles that can be made for each sub-series or cross-over series. Fifty detailed articles (including descriptions, attacks, behaviors, locations, etc.) is better than a sub-par list that limits our knowledge of what some users may see as vital subjects. We should not be prejudiced against different series connected to the main Mario series; they are all equal in the wiki, and some users may find such information valuable. Why should their way of consuming the greater Mario franchise be denied by the wiki? A few articles about fifty or so Smash Bros. enemies is not going to overwhelm the wiki with Smash Bros. content, seeing that there is probably over a thousand Mario enemy articles, enemies that might have less information than the Smash Bros. enemies could potentially have. Plus we still have articles on all the Smash Bros. stages and items, so why not enemies? In the end all these enemies will be separated into their Smash Bros. related categories, so such information will still be separated from the main group of Mario enemies. Proposer: Son of Suns (talk) Deadline: December 13, 2008, 20:00 Support Son of Suns (talk) - Because I believe in a Mario Wiki that is open to various ways of appreciating the greater Mario franchise. Super-Yoshi (talk) - Per SoS. Arend (talk) - Though there was a proposal to merge the Adventure mode enemies in one, I'm on this side. Luigi001 (talk) - I disagreed with the merging proposal (though I don't believe I voted,) and I'm glad it's getting addressed now. Yoshi Boo 118 (talk) Per SoS. Oppose M&SG (talk) - This is a Wiki designed for the Mario universe. Enemies that have no involvement in the Mario universe should not have separate articles (ReDeads, Octoroks, Like Likes, Topis, Polar Bears, Subspace Army). I know this, because I once did an article for a minor non-Mario character (Panther Caroso and Leon Powalski to name a few) and got in trouble for doing it. If this were the Smash Wiki however, THEN it would be a different story. White Knight (talk) - I've visited many other videogame wikis, and I noticed one thing. Super Mario Wiki goes into more depth over cross-overs than any other videogame wiki I know. For example, the Zelda wiki does not have an article for Mario even though he appeared in all three Smash Bros. Games with Link, Nintendo Monopoly with Link, and had a few cameo appearances in Zelda games. Besides, if one wanted to look up Smash brothers enemies, wouldn't it make more sense to look it up on the smashwiki? Comments Haven't there already been heaps of discussions about this very topic? Dom (talk) Yes, there were. There was a proposal for merging the enemies, which passed. Grandy02 (talk) This proposal would reverse that decision. -- Son of Suns (talk) So that previous Proposal is now being undone - making the first one pointless... ooooooookay then... 0_o Dom (talk) Wikis are about change. We don't always get things right the first time around. -- Son of Suns (talk) SoS is right. Our main Page was also different first, and we had an older logo. Arend (talk) It's like everything is a paradoxical enigma... my computer chip brain hurts. Reversing a decision does not bring back wasted time, I'm just saying that. I have nothing against the Proposal, in case that's what you thought. Dom (talk) Changes None at the moment. Miscellaneous None at the moment.