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This page should be combined with crab page, minus the Donkey kong crabs as they have no apparent connection. The fact that Japanese sidesteppers use the generic name crab seems Nintendo meant for them to be the same species.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nesdustin (talk).

No it shouldn't. They are officially named Sidesteppers in North America unlike a lot of the other crab species, so it gets so be separated. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
Even though the Brawl trophy implies that in English, they aren't just called crabs, but literally "Mr. Crab" in Japan. Whether all "Crabs" referred to as such in English are separate from the Sidesteppers or not in Japan is another story, but definitely not all Crabs are Sidesteppers and therefore the pages shouldn't be merged. --Grandy02 12:01, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Add game appearances table[edit]

--DyeffersonAz Signature (talk) 15:23, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

Those seem to mostly be being phased out. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:35, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
How, Doc? --DyeffersonAz Signature (talk) 19:14, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
Why? They're useful for listing chronological appearances, something our history sections don't do. Mario Green.pngBazooka Mario BadaBoom! 19:22, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
With Bazooka Mario (talk)! --DyeffersonAz Signature (talk) 19:23, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
I'm just reporting what I see. I seem to recall them being all over once upon a time, but now there's only a few. I think they're useful, myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:33, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
Oh, so that's just a case of "the wiki is always incomplete". I think calling it "phased out" is inaccurate, more like "not a lot of edits adding these", but that makes sense because they take effort. So anyway, the game appearances table should be added. Mario Green.pngBazooka Mario BadaBoom! 19:35, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
I suppose I had just never asked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:36, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
I use it so much to know the track of THAT character specifically. I'll work on this character appearances table based on the history information. --DyeffersonAz Signature (talk) 19:40, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
DID! --DyeffersonAz Signature (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
All right. Try italicizing the game titles. Think like book titles. I also don't think the italics are needed on "cameo", so remove those, and capitalize. Also, remove the period in the Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga part, and remove the bold on Mario Kart 8 (keep that italics, and I don't think it needs a link). I'd also remove the sentence at the beginning; the table by itself doesn't need further description. And there, the table should be done. See, wasn't so hard, right? Mario Green.pngBazooka Mario BadaBoom! 21:20, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
Did! --DyeffersonAz Signature (talk) 21:30, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

Mario Clash?[edit]

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Should the Sidestepper from Mario Clash be considered a normal Sidestepper or a variant? It may have the same English name, but it has a more "aggressive" design with spiked claws that block shells, and noticeably starts out walking forward instead of its usual sidestepping (doing that only when hit the first time). Its traditional attack pattern has also been altered - instead of simply moving faster when hit once, it turns to the side when it moves faster, but then slows down and stops if the player takes too long to hit it again, resetting its status. If split, that would mean that none of the original Mario Bros. enemy cast returned as-is in Mario Clash, and it wouldn't be the only reused name for a different enemy in the game (see Para-Goomba). LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:20, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

'cept Fireball and Icicle were given eyes-of-life by the art, so they're still a thing. I think the main idea you bring up is valid, though, particularly given Koopa Troopas are given visual callbacks to Shellcreeper, their own predecessor... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:03, March 10, 2020 (EDT)
Well, Fire and Ice may be under the Enemy Characters section of the manual, but they are at the end and are both considered hazards instead of enemies ("Along with other enemies, there are other hazards that will interfere with you."), and are also listed separately from enemies under Scoring. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:14, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

I don't think so. Mario Clash Is not really much like the original classic. And with the way it is set up, it had to have an alteration. I think they only redesigned Sidestepper to fit with the look of the game. Game developers tend to try new designs sometimes. Take Klepto for example. In Super Mario Odyssey, it is uglier than the original design, and has a new pattern. But's still called Klepto. And look, In Mario Tennis Aces, the design is, mostly, the same as the original. --Partier (talk) 14:59, August 16, 2020 (EDT)

Infobox image[edit]

The image used in the infobox right now doesn't seem to be their modern design, which we normally use. I get the feeling this may be due to the fact that there seems to be no artwork of their modern design, should the image be a sprite/model of their modern design or leave it as is? Keyblade Master (talk) 14:27, July 6, 2020 (EDT)

Their design actually hasn't changed much at all; if you look at the MB arcade sprite, it's very close to their modern appearances. The main difference seems to be they aren't given an opportunity to get "mad" anymore, though we'll see if PMTOK changes that. Either way, artwork takes priority. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:07, July 6, 2020 (EDT)