Talk:Kame Hōdai

Alternate name!

The KC Deluxe adaptation features an alternate name for Mecha Nokonoko - 「カメ砲台」 (Kame Hōdai, Turtle Artillery) on pages 68 and 84. Which name should take priority? Mecha Nokonoko doesn't include macrons and seems easier to remember, but Kame Hōdai is also on the manga's included mini-guide right on page 2, and guide material typically takes priority. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:58, July 30, 2022 (EDT)

I'd go for Kame Hōdai, since it is used in the mini guide. User:Somethingone/sig 11:25, July 30, 2022 (EDT)

Waiting to see if there's a little more input, but in the meantime, I'd like to point out that Super Mario-kun volume 9 was released on December 16, 1993 - the same year as the game - whereas the KC Deluxe one released later on June 6, 1994. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:46, August 17, 2022 (EDT)

Beside agreeing more with Somethingone, I want also to point out that don't we usually go for the most recent name? I mean, we don't use "Little Goombas", "Boo Buddy" and so on... being replaced by "Goomba", "Boo" and so on. Now sure, those are because the latter names are more used, but, I also see little cases such the Yoshi's Island exclusive enemies being called with the most recent name. -- Mariuigi Khed 13:30, August 21, 2022 (EDT)

This is a bit of a unique case since the names come from two competing manga adaptations. Plus, looking through the KC catelog, their mini-guides seem like inconsistent afterthoughts. For some examples on what I mean, check out the first Super Mario Land 2 and Yoshi's Story parts. The mini-guide for Super Mario Land 2 uses generic names despite the cast rollMedia:KC Mario Super Mario Land 2 Enemies.jpg having the proper names, and for Yoshi's Story, the bosses Cloud N. Candy and Cloudjin have different names between the mini-guide and cast rollMedia:YS Manga Enemies.jpg (though in that instance, it's the mini-guide that seems more correct). There's a little of this in the second Road Hunting part, where the mini-guide on page 3 labels the Chargin' Chuck boss as 「ブル」 (Buru, Bul/Bull), but the caption and manga on page 50 introduce it as a 「巨大ブル」 (Kyodai Buru, Giant Bul/Bull). LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:25, August 21, 2022 (EDT)

Do we keep the japanese name or just go with the translated japanese name "Mecha Koopa Troopa"?

Do we keep the japanese name or just go with the translated japanese name "Mecha Koopa Troopa"?

Boltx64Boltx64 (talk) 07:57, April 17, 2023 (EDT)

We don't fan-translate article titles. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:13, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

How Many Koopas

How many Koopa Troopas are operating this sub? This article indicates there's only one but the Dark Sea article states that there's multiple. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 10:17, April 6, 2024 (EDT)

Let's settle this

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Rename to "Kame Hōdai" 1-4
Ok, in the spirit of "fixing" Super Dossun, let's fix this one too. The problem is, while Super Dossun is basically a formality, this is a more thorny question: we have two official manga, each naming this boss differently. Super Mario-kun named it "Mecha Nokonoko", while KC Mario named it "Kame Hōdai". So, which of these two names should be the main one? Mariuigi Khed 11:37, January 14, 2026 (EST)

The relevant points are the following:

• KC Mario's volume on Yoshi's Safari came after SMKun's, so, in terms of which is the recentest name... KC Mario's is
• While KC Mario has the tendency to show off the correct names in the walkthrough and/or character lists, but then uses generic names in the story, "Kame Hōdai" is used in both.
• "Mecha Nokonoko" is more simple to write and remember.
• No other guides/articles were found. If you can, the better, but as of now... nothing but these two manga.

Proposer: Mariuigi Khed (talk)
Deadline: January 31, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Keep it as "Mecha Nokonoko"

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) While this admittedly bends "recency" rules: this name dates closer to the original release of the game, and thus, it's closer to legacy "name at the time" rule-of-thumb. Additionally, there are currently articles for King Gessō and Busō Koopa, which refer to names from Super Mario-kun; changing this one to the KC name breaks the whole set a tad.

#Mariuigi Khed (talk) Honestly, I'm just in favor of the easy-to-write point.

Change it to "Kame Hōdai"

1. Altendō (talk) While I do agree with the trouble of typing "ō" on certain devices, that shouldn't be the reason against the page name. There are a lot of pages that use this character, and this proposal could set a precedent for moving those to their accentless names if "typing this character is too difficult" is the baseline against this move. And if typing it really is difficult, autolink exists for devices where accents aren't easy to (and that's not even mentioning the Special Characters selection). Technical reasons aside, it is a more recent name and the one consistently used in said media (as per the first two points). While I agree with LTL's point that SMKun could be a more accurate name as it released closer to Yoshi's Safari, the name isn't actually used in-game in any media; this is different from the Bomber Bill as its name was first used in The Super Mario Bros. Movie before it was used in-game in Super Mario Party Jamboree, because Banzai Bill was actually a previous in-game name, something that was never true for either of this subject's name. I do understand that unlike the other pages I mentioned, this one does have an easier-to-type name while the others are stuck with weird characters, but I don't see that as any more of a reason to keep it at this name. That said, I would be interested in seeing other pages with a case similar to this to see if the logic of this proposal applies elsewhere. I believe that the first two points mentioned in this proposal are more important than the third point, and if the accent is really bugging the name, then it can be romanized (like Sūpā Dossun).
2. Hewer (talk) Ease of writing and remembering a name has absolutely no bearing on whether we should use it, especially when the "difficult" part in this case is a single ō (accents like that in article titles are pretty standard, take a glance at this category). This is the most recent name, no reason not to go with it.
3. Mariuigi Khed (talk) Yeah, they make a valid point. Not that I was actually serious about my previous vote: it was more a reason to start the vote.
4. Jdtendo (talk) Not only is the "Kame Hōdai" name more recent, it's also the name used in the "strategy guide" part of the book, and guides are higher priority sources than manga.

#Keegster2 (talk) As a long-time Pokémon fan, I have no problems with us favoring names with accents or diactrics. Per all.

Comments

@LinkTheLefty I don't see any KC Mario reference for King Gessō, while Busō Koopa has a name from a SMKun volume released after the KC Mario volume. I don't see how your examples challenge my point. Altendo 11:31, January 17, 2026 (EST)

It's not really meant to "challenge" - I just have a different point of view that, in my opinion, it looks messier to spread the boss names across a wider range of sources. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:50, January 17, 2026 (EST)

@LinkTheLefty: I don't think your idea of the "name at the time rule" is actually supported by the naming policy, which states "the newest name generally takes greater priority, except in the context of older media where they went by previous names". I know you've expressed in previous discussions that you don't think a newer name should count if it had no new appearance to go along with it, but in this case it did (a manga, just like how the other name only appeared in a manga). Besides, the manga in question only came out a few months apart from each other, it's not like one of them was years later like your vote seems to imply. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 12:56, January 18, 2026 (UTC)

Wouldn't older names be used in the game template regardless? LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:37, January 22, 2026 (UTC)

I guess? I don't feel particularly strongly about which name we use to refer to its in-game appearance considering neither name was actually used in the game and both were used within only a year of it coming out. But there's no reason the page title shouldn't be the more recent one. I don't think it's fair to imply that manga appearances are in some way lesser than game appearances, especially for a subject where the only sources that named it were manga. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 18:57, January 23, 2026 (UTC)

Based on the derived names policy, wouldn't it be valid to rename this article to Mecha Koopa? SGoW^(Talk) 14:03, January 18, 2026 (UTC)

No. Especially since that's generally more intended for post-standardization things, which 1993 was decidedly not. Anyways we already have a Mecha Koopa page, based from actual Koopas no less, rather than Troopas. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:08, January 18, 2026 (UTC)