MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code ~~~(~). How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights). So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. Also, NO PROPOSALS ABOUT HAVING BANJO AND CONKER ARTICLES -The Management. CURRENTLY: 00:17, 17 May 2024 (EDT) New Features I say we put a beta section on each page, so we won't have to go to the beta elements page. Here would be an examlpe for Mario Kart Double Dash!! "This was supposed to be a stage (blahblahblah)" Porposer Blue KoopC Deadline: May 10th 17:00 Removals None at the moment. Splits & Merges Recipes Ok, here we go. I've been looking through some pages and I saw that there is a different page for each of Saffron, Zess T., and Tayce T.'s recipes, even though their pages are about 1 or 2 sentences. I propose that we merge all the recipes onto one page for easier access to them. So it's up you know. Tell me what you think Proposer: SJ derp :P April 24, 2008, 20:54 Deadline: May 1, 2008, 17:00 Merge recepes SJ derp :P What I stated above. Leave them the way they are Comments Changes What's-a-Gibberish? Hey-hey, come on! Ok users, pay attention, and read carefully. As some of you may know, there was a proposal that said, "Lately i've been searching around the wikis quotes, and have seen quotes like "whupee heeheeheehee!" when thats just a bunch of giberious and also something like AHHH!!! thats just someone yelling! should we get rid of these?". Now, the problem some users (including me, of course) have encountered is what to actually consider a "gibberish" quote. Now look at the quotes that have been recently removed from the Baby Daisy article: "Baby Daisy!" – Mario Kart Wii "Ha-ha! YAY!" – Mario Kart Wii "Go-go!" – Mario Kart Wii "GO!" – Mario Kart Wii "NO!" – Mario Kart Wii "NOoooo.." – Mario Kart Wii "Heh-heh!" – Mario Kart Wii "Okey-dokey. Yeah!" – Mario Kart Wii "Yaaaay! Whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo." – Mario Kart Wii "Yipee. Yipee. Yi-hee-hee-hm-hm.." – Mario Kart Wii Okay,just so you know, a current issue trying to be settled is, which of these quotes actually count as gibberish, and which should actually be allowed to stay. Now, as of the current point in time, and according to the outcome of the proposal linked above, gibberish quotes count as anything that is random babbling or plain screaming. So, Which of these quotes qualifies in those groups? Well, as the quotes that contain nothing but yelling qualify as gibberish, you COULD mark out these: "Baby Daisy!" – Mario Kart Wii "Ha-ha! YAY!" – Mario Kart Wii "Go-go!" – Mario Kart Wii "GO!" – Mario Kart Wii "NO!" – Mario Kart Wii "NOoooo.." – Mario Kart Wii "Heh-heh!" – Mario Kart Wii "Okey-dokey. Yeah!" – Mario Kart Wii "Yaaaay! Whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo." – Mario Kart Wii Oh, but wait! All of these quotes contain yelling! There's the first problem. Just because quotes contain a character showing excitement, in any odd manner of saying it, does that mean we should count it as actual gibberish? Last time I checked, gibberish was random babbling, not yelling because of excitement or anything otherwise. Also, just because a character is exclaiming something like Yay, No, or laughter, doesn't mean their mindlessly speaking in tongue, does it? So, what it comes down to is, do we remove all quotes that are to a short point, and that are exclaiming remarks? As I gave examples on the Baby Daisy talk page, many characters plenty good quotes would qualify for this, thus leaving certain pages to the point of "quote-less". Now, I know most people know what a quality quote is, but I also know that a quote shouldn't have to be entertaining or a long sentence in order to define characteristics of said character. Please take in to account the outcome of your vote, and also take into account that gibberish is quite literally random babbling and not actual wording. P.S: Choosing support doesn't mean quotes considered gibberish will stay, it means quotes not to be confused with gibberish cannot be removed for that reason. Therefore, certain quotes would stay, while certain quotes would be removed. According to ACTUAL consideration. Proposer: Fixitup April 22, 2008, 23:01 Deadline: April 29, 2008, 17:00 Support (Keep Certain Quotes Considerably Acceptable, Regardless Of Length Or What's Being Said) Fixitup Per above, lol. Oppose (Remove All Quotes Containing Those Of Examples Listed, And Any More Found Throughout Other Pages) My Bloody Valentine The official definition of "gibberish" may be random babbling, but this Wiki has a different definition. Its any quote that is just a simple stupid expression that says nothing about the character. "NO!" is NOT a valid quote. Why? Its just someone saying "No". Its not unique AT ALL. It says nothing about the character's personality. Any simple quote like this, or any compilation of things like "WHOO-HOO-HOO-HOO! WHEE!", should not be considered a REAL quote. Its not professional, AT ALL. That's my two cents. Wa TC@Y – per DP. A quote should be revelant and not be a restatement. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) - What's the point of knowing that some guy said random nonsense like "AAHAHAHAH" or "NO"? Those kinds of quotes are a waste. XzelionETC Perl All. — Stooben Rooben Per all. Anybody can scream or cry. Specified quotes like "Only cheaters mess up", make Waluigi different from Peach. Waluigi and Peach have both screamed and cried before, so it's pointless. Grapes Per all. Marcelagus (T • C • E) - Per DP. Whether they are real words or not, they make no sense at all, and are thus "gibberish". Anyone can say "woo hoo!". Only quotes like "Toadette's the winner!" should be kept, because it is unique, unlike "woo hoo!". SJ derp :P BLOC PARTIER. Per all. Comments Well you know, DP, when I gave examples of other quotes, that have been here for quite a long time, someone said to me something like, well although this quote is almost the EXACT same line, this one is more humorous, therefore is fine. Does that make sense? I didn't think so. Also, like I said, not all of these quotes are just, "NO". Fixitup Also, I don't no if I said this incorrectly above, but I know quotes should be relevant, but I know that not all of these quotes are at all irrelevant. Fixitup First of all, I didn't understand what you said. You are treating this like "Since its on other pages, it should be on every page.". That's not the case. The case here should be that ALL quotes like this should be removed from ALL pages, not added to others just cos' other people decided to add them to other articles. And no one is saying they are all just "NO!". SOME of the quotes you gave are fine, most of them are just... No, sorry. My Bloody Valentine I'm not saying that, I'm saying that's how it was, and I don't see why we are just now getting to that. Naw mean? Well the thing is, on the Baby Daisy talk page, that IS what they were telling me, that all are not allowed. Listen, the accept choice is not to allow quotes that count as gibberish, it's to allow quotes that may be confused because of how they are worded. Fixitup I tend to agree with the second option, but wouldn't that also include quotes like "It's-a-me, Mario!", which Mario is famous for? It's an exclamation, yes, and in most cases such quotes should be removed, but I feel we need to make exceptions to this rule. Saying "It's-a-me, Mario!" is very characteristic of Mario, while Baby Daisy saying "Baby Daisy!" is just random. Maybe one day, when she has appeared in more games than Mario Kart Wii, it turns out that she actually commonly uses this phrase as her "identifying feature", but until this point we shouldn't allow that (and the other) quote(s). Time Questions 04:33, 23 April 2008 (EDT) Somebody give Time Q the "Most logical User of the Year" award! My Bloody Valentine Yeah... Baby Daisy won't have many good quotes until she's in a game that's not a spin-off. CrystalYoshi 08:30, 23 April 2008 (EDT) I don't think I'll vote just yet, though. Hmmm... I'm preferring the second option. But the word "all" in it's title is a little ominous. We shouldn't need to delete all the quotes from a page, just most of them. Leaving a page with no quotes is... Not preferable. BLOC PARTIER. Sorry if that didn't make much sense, I couldn't find a way to say it perfectly... DP, you just said that only certain quotes listed from the Baby Daisy page should be removed. Then you agreed with TimeQ that none of the quotes were relelvant. I don't know if anyone has noticed, but Mario hardly even says "It's-a-me. Mario!" anymore. Aside from that, some of you are ignoring the fact that I stated that supporting this isn't to support quotes like, "No!"/"Wahaha!". It's to allow certain quotes, like SOME of the quotes from the Baby Daisy page. If you are against keeping any of the quotes on the Baby Daisy page, then you are against most of the other quotes used as examples, which I know for a fact hardly anyone disagrees with. As I expected, everyone is misinterpreting the outcome of this proposal. Fixitup Then make the meaning clearer. Short and concise is a much better way to go then long, rambling and sarcastic. Anyway, the only quote I think is relevant up in your example is "Okey-dokey, yeah!", since "okey-dokey" is something usually uttered by Mario, making it strange coming from Baby Daisy (though the "yeah!" part was in character with her older self). - Walkazo I think it is safe to say how this proposal will turn out, therefore the only type of "work" I will be doing around this type of situation will be resolving it on the Baby Daisy talk page. I know how votes go sometimes, regardless of what I would've liked, it is obvious most of you have a mind set. Fixitup Minimum of One Quote Per Page/Game More quote proposals, yay. Ok, as it is obvious how the above proposal is turning out, I'm gonna go ahead and suggest a new proposal. Here, I am covering the issues that any character page deserves at the very least, one quote from each game they are in, as long as that character has a quote acceptable from that game. This means that if you support, you support the idea that there should be at LEAST one quote for each game a character has appeared in, as long as the quote is NOT random yelling/laughter/exclamation. For example: a quote such as, "Nooo!", wouldn't be allowed regardless of the one quote rule while a quote like, "Okey-Dokey. Yeah!", would be considered ok. Trying to make this one short, sweet, and to the point so as not to confuse anyone. So, as long as you FULLY understand the outcome here, please feel free to vote, but please, if you think you're jumping to a final conclusion soon into reading, add comments first. Just trying to make things feel right, thanks. Proposer: Fixitup April 23, 2008, 19:09 Deadline: April 30, 2008, 17:00 Support (Allow Minimum of One Quote Per Game) Fixitup Oppose (Disallow Any Quotes As Long As Majority Disagrees; in the case of one quote minimum) Sometimes characters appear in a game as a cameo and don't have any lines at all. Like when Mario, Luigi, Birdo (I think) appear as cameos in Kirby Super Star, they don't say anything. SJ derp :P Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) - Per Time Q in the comments. This proposal is pointless. Glitchman (talk · contribs) Per Blitzwing. Time Questions: Okay, per Blitzwing and thus per myself... there's simply no need for such a rule. — Stooben Rooben Per Time Q. Grapes Per all These quote proposals are getting too absured by the seconds. Walkazo - Yes, having lots of quotes is good, but the "at least"/"minium" thing is going too far. Quotes that are relevant will be added, quotes that aren't will be removed, regardless of their origins. Comments Toadette, are you serious? I addressed this above already. I said as long as they have acceptable quotes in that game.Fixitup umm, this is exactly what you said: if you support, you support the idea that there should be at LEAST one quote for each game a character has appeared in SJ derp :P Uh, it's not like I can fit my whole explanation in the support section. Besides that even, don't you think it's obvious that if a character doesn't say anything in a game, then they can't have a quote from it? Why would you oppose if that doesn't effect it regardless? You know, I can understand when you people have a valid explanation for your oppose, but this wouldn't mean anything. Fixitup Clear this up for me: One quote per page or one quote per game? BLOC PARTIER. As long as the specified page can have a quote from a game that is not something like one word (or similar), then one quote per "game"; once again however, as long as that one quote isn't qualified as the example. Better? Fixitup Oh, yeah. Shoulda read the proposal better. Sorry :P BLOC PARTIER. Hey, better to ask than to jump into a vote.Fixitup Stooben, what are you talking about? You're saying the least bit of info for something isn't acceptable? That's like not allowing information on a page just because there isn't enough of it. In fact, that's pretty much what you're saying. I don't see how allowing a minimum of one quote leading to a sparse amount of information when there would be NONe otherwise. Fixitup What I'm saying is that lack of good information doesn't help the wiki. Quotes are good information that have proof of description. You can write "In Mario Party 7, Waluigi has the ability to call others 'lousy' during the game", but there's no proof. If you have "You're Lousy!" -Mario Party 7 on Waluigi's page, there is proof that he actually does call people lousy. My vote is that: The more good information, the better. — Stooben Rooben What do you mean there's no proof? You don't need proof to state something like that, and the quotes are not here for proving what a character does or says, as they are no more of proof than stating it. Your vote is illogical, and has no real reasoning. You just switched from saying there wasn't enough information, to saying the information didn't provide proof, back to the more information, the better. Which still doesn't make sense, as any information is better than none, especially considering your argument. What you're defending still hasn't been logically backed up, and I have I feeling it's not going to be. Fixitup I changed it so you could understand it. :P It sums it up quickly; if you still don't understand what I'm saying, think it through! — Stooben Rooben Actually, I've just fully withdrawn my vote, because your proposal doesn't make sense. Don't argue with me, because I'm not in the mood. — Stooben Rooben All this over Baby Daisy? Nice job avoiding any defense you could've had left. You yourself obviously know that you have no valid point, otherwise you would still be trying to make sense of it. I understand what you said, and it means nothing. Fixitup ...I just realized I signed my name in the wrong spot! Sorry. It's no wonder it didn't make sense. :P — Stooben Rooben Next time, try not to be so blunt though. That was kinda impolite, Fixitup... My Bloody Valentine But to avoid another incident, I won't go any further than that. I don't know. Fixitup, you say a page should have at least one quote if it is acceptable. Now the old question arises again what is acceptable. You give "Nooo!" as an example for an "unacceptable" quote, in contrast to "Okey-Dokey. Yeah!" as an "acceptable" quote. To me, both seem unacceptable. Now what should I vote for? Also, I don't really see the point of the proposal, even if we ignore the problem that arises with acceptability. Why do you want to force people to add at least one quote to a page? If there are good quotes, they will be added anyway. If not, then it's fine as well. Probably you want to have Baby Daisy at least one quote, this is what you want, isn't it? This proposal doesn't change anything about that, because most people will still disagree that "Okey-Dokey. Yeah!" is a valid quote. Oh, and don't forget to give reasons for your vote, even if you're the proposer, 'cause otherwise it's invalid. ("As above" or something like this would suffice :P) Time Questions 04:55, 24 April 2008 (EDT) If you don't agree with either? Well that's why it was an example. I did create this for start of the Baby Daisy article, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work well with any other page. Ok, I thought it would just be repetitive, but if it's necessary. Although if a game they appear in can have a good quote, the one quote minimum is just to allow quotes that, like the one you disagreed with, might be overruled otherwise.Fixitup Didn't we have a proposal pertaining to just about the same thing as this around a month ago? -- Chris 08:30, 24 April 2008 (EDT) Uh, I can't remember anything like this. Time Questions 09:28, 24 April 2008 (EDT) I'm not going to vote yet, but I'm leaning towards the oppose side. Why do we have to have a quote per game? Why should we go to all the trouble, when there's no obvious actual benefit? CrystalYoshi 12:09, 24 April 2008 (EDT) The obvious actual benefit is having more quotes, regardless of anyone's opinion.Fixitup I am seriously tired of this. Can we just delete the proposal? It's obvious, all Fixitup really wants is for Baby Daisy to have quotes. SJ derp :P Format of Quotes Next up, I have noticed articles such as Wario and Princess Rosalina have a different format for quotes compared to many other pages. For example, the Rosalina page quotes appear as this: Template:Llquote While a format of quotes used on other pages look like this: "Oh, I've won! Hooray for me!" - Mario Power Tennis You'll notice the first style is obviously "neater" and more formal than the second, but takes up much more space. Sooo, we should decide on one quoting system in order to make sure pages follow a specific guideline. One, the first style, or the other, the second style. Obviously this isn't a big deal, but should be addressed. I actually have a hard time choosing myself. Proposer: Fixitup April 22, 2008, 23:01 Deadline: April 29, 2008, 17:00 Support (Star Using First Format) Fixitup Per above again, lol. Bob-omb buddy The first one may be longer but it is much neater. Oppose (Keep Using second Format) Wa TC@Y – This meaning both formats are kept, right? The standard one works well with top of pages, this bullet-formatted one works well for multiple little quotes related to each other. I can incorporate all of these into RandomQuote if I had some time over the weekend... BLOC PARTIER. Per Wayoshi. Multiple quotes look a bit better when they're in a list, and the {{quote}} looks great on the top of the page. IMO. Walkazo - Per Wayoshi. Per Wayoshi. SJ derp :P — Stooben Rooben Per Wayoshi. My Bloody Valentine Per Wayoshi. Time Questions: The "neater" layout takes too much space when there are many quotes. Grapes Per Time Q More space more KB. (Another pointless proposal.) Comments Um, I think there was a reason the {{quote}} template wasn't used like that. I think it was that ALL the quotes on the page would end up on the Random Quote of the Day Template, instead of just one. At least, I THINK this was the reason. I don't remember. My Bloody Valentine Yes, second choice is for both being kept, as in first format at top only, and second used in quotes section. First choice is for first format in both quotes section, and at top of page. Fixitup Yeah, the first format is for the quote at the top of the page, and the second is better for quote lists. It takes up less space, and you don't need to tell who says it; everyone already knows. Is the oppose side for keeping two types in quote lists, or for having only the second in quote lists? CrystalYoshi 08:34, 23 April 2008 (EDT) I don't see how the first is more formal. Princess Grapes Butterfly, this one definitely isn't pointless. There are obviously different layouts of quotes on this wiki, but we should use a consistent way, so this proposal helps us deciding which way to choose. Time Questions 15:52, 24 April 2008 (EDT) Miscellaneous Multiple Canon Names Articles such as Princess Peach's and Bowser's could go under different names - Princess Toadstool and King Koopa respectively. While we're not going to have articles for each of their names, I think we should not discard them completely in the merged article. So, in a text refering to Super Mario RPG, it should be Toadstool and not Peach, and in texts conserning the Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, it should be King Koopa and not Bowser. Minor tweaks could be done with FLUDD<>F.L.U.D.D. and Koopa Paratroopas<>Parakoopas<>Sky Troopas. This way, the wiki is true to the original games which we are talking about. Proposer: Cobold (talk · contribs) Deadline: April 25th, 2008, 20:00 Use older names for sections concerning older games Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:38, 18 April 2008 (EDT) - Per myself above. BLOC PARTIER. Per Cobold. I can see no reason not to do this. Grapes Per Cobold. The older the more original right? Stumpers! I've been doing that since day one, glad to see this be official. Palkia47 Per Cobold. Peach's name needs to be Princess Toadstool in the games before Yoshi's Safari (or whatever the name is). Bowser I'm not exactly sure about... But if correct, it was before Super Mario World, I think. Time Questions: Per Cobold. Perhaps there was a reason for giving them different names, so we should also refer to them by their respective names. CrystalYoshi Per Time Q and InfectedShroom, which is also Per Cobold. Use the right name for what you're talking about. Booster: I agree. Articles about the TV shows generally use characters' cartoon names, so a similar rule should follow for non-cartoon articles. User: Hemu I also agree they should be separate because Bowser is sorta Different from King Koopa My Bloody Valentine Per all. If we say that pesky plumber, we can say King Koopa. Unless we're going by the Japanese games, we should use Koopa and Toadstool. SJ derp :P — Stooben Rooben Per Cobold. Glitchman (talk · contribs) Per Booster, CrystalYoshi, and Cobold. Grandy02 Per Cobold. Would be only logical. Bob-omb buddy They aren't the offical names BUT they are offical for the game. Use up-to-date names in all sections Comments "The older the more offical right?" ~ I don't think we can easily say what is more official. They old are more original, but newer names might be more official. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 18:55, 18 April 2008 (EDT) Some people are bound to get confused by this. They won't notice that the different names go by section, all they'll see is when it goes from Princess Toadstool to Peach, and think it's just inconsistancy. And what about games where the character's are givent heir updated names in remakes (i.e. King Koopa in SMB becomes Bowser Koopa in SMBDeluxe)? - Walkazo Uh oh... Walkazo is kinda right. How about we do it like "During the events of Super mario bros., Princess Peach (then known as Princess Toadstool)" and call her Toadstool from then on until we get to the game when her name was changed? I think that would work, but is it too much trouble? CrystalYoshi 07:46, 19 April 2008 (EDT) Well, I'm not only talking about the Peach article. An article only concerning Super Mario RPG, such as the game's article itself, shouldn't talk about Peach at all, but use Toadstool, otherwise that would feel wrong. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT) Per all in this article (except Cobold). Also, there's also only one resolution to this. After all, Bowsers and Princess Peachs right respective names is King Bowser Koopa and Princess Peach Toadstool, right? Only move the articles to their full names. There are various wikis who likely had edit wars because nobody could came up with this idea. KingMario (talk) No, I do not think this is necessary. "Bowser" and "Princess Peach" are both official names and the most commonly used phrases. We don't need to clutter up article names. An encyclopedia is supposed to have entries where users would search for them, not where the official name of something is that people don't know. Both "Toadstool" and "Koopa" are no longer used in modern games, so the "right" is debatable. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:53, 21 April 2008 (EDT) I guess we should just... hmmm... I don't know. Whatever Cobold wants, he's the proposer. CrystalYoshi 17:59, 22 April 2008 (EDT) Don't get me wrong - you can always make a different proposal on moving pages like that. But this proposal isn't worded like that, and changing its wording after so many people voted isn't really fair. (I would oppose the move, btw.) - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:12, 23 April 2008 (EDT) Actually, "Toadstool" has been reused in a few not so old remakes, Super Mario Advance 4 and Super Mario 64 DS. Not that this would matter, just wanted to mention it. The name is very, very rarely used in games since late 1996 (over 10 years passed), so Peach's surname isn't needed for the article's title. BTW, is there actually any game where Bowser has been exactly named "King Koopa"? --Grandy02 14:18, 23 April 2008 (EDT) In Japanese, he is simply called "Koopa" (Kuppa), while regular Koopa Troopas are "Nokonoko". Then, his Japanese name was made into "King Koopa" for the television series. But I don't think any game named him that in the translation. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:50, 23 April 2008 (EDT) Yay, I know, just wondered that you said ""Koopa" is no longer used in modern games". --Grandy02 15:01, 23 April 2008 (EDT) If (when) this passes, Koopa should be switched from a redirect to a disambiguation page, otherwise people trying to use it as Bowser's name'll be inconveniencd. - Walkazo Good point, Walkazo. I'm for that idea. Glitchman (talk · contribs)