Talk:P Switch BGM / Toad's House

SMW: Similarity how?

Are we sure the Super Mario World one is directly reinterpreted from the Super Mario Bros. 3 one? Because i don't hear the similarity. Another key difference is that it doesn't have a proper "ending" before looping back, it's just one short melody that alternates between C and C# (akin to Pac-Man, and Sonic's drowning theme). Also, (much like the latter example) the music speeds up progressively, until its maximum speed hits, and does not loop back beyond this specific speed. -- FanOfYoshi at 06:33, July 5, 2025 (EDT)

Agreed. The chord progressions are different: one is 1–2–1–2–♭3–4, the other is 1–♭2. Both themes repeat a vamp over consistent scale degrees of each chord, but one uses the fifth and a single adjacent tritone (which is arguably just an appoggiatura) within one octave, and the other arpeggiates over the root and fifth across several octaves. The rhythms are also completely different; it's not just a swung or syncopated version of the earlier theme's rhythm. The pieces may evoke a similar feeling, but their melodies, harmonies, timbres, articulations, and forms (beyond the accelerando) are unrelated as far as I can tell, so certainly they are separate themes. AgentMuffin (talk) 09:05, July 14, 2025 (EDT)

Split the SMW version from this article and consider it a separate composition from SMB3

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.

Split: SMW is not a remix but a separate composition entirely 12-0
Okay, so I'm currently trying to wrap my head around how info from Super Mario World has been lumped into this article, despite its loose at best similarity (and calling it a "similarity" is a stretch, tbh), and nonexistent at worst. I have never heard any sort of similarity (or thought about it) until I saw the article... but even then, I still don't hear it even after the article's claim that the SMW P Switch is a remix of the SMB3. There's not really any solid evidence that there was any authorial intent for it to be a remix of the SMB3 theme; This is why I'm making a proposal out of it. Furthermore, an above comment has really broken down in great detail how both are separate tracks, independent of each other.

Proposer: FanOfYoshi (talk)
Deadline: November 09, 2025 at 23:59 GMT

Support

1. FOY Switch (talk) Per above comment.
2. Arend (talk) I guess MAYBE the rhythm is kinda similar, but I think calling one actually a remix of the other is a big stretch. Even the NSMB P Switch BGM sounds more similar to the SMB3 one, and I'd rather call that a distinct melody too.
3. Hewer (talk) I never understood this connection. Even if the themes do have something in common that I'm not hearing, we are allowed to split recurring arrangements of other themes, like Cool, Cool Mountain and Athletic Theme.
4. Rykitu (talk) I always considered these two completely different themes.
5. Soshi The Yoshi (talk) Per all.
6. Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal; these are two very distinct tracks that just happen to be used for the same context (hitting a P-Switch.) Admittedly, we might be a bit more biased, as Super Mario Bros. X (Mario Fan game engine by Redigit, the guy who'd later go on to make Terraria, yes actually) very expressly treats these two songs as separate, but we imagine even if we haven't touched SMBX, we wouldn't get this merge. ;P
7. EvieMaybe (talk) per Hewer
8. The Dab Master (talk) Per all and AgentMuffin's comment in the previous section.
9. PaperSplash (talk) Listening to both again now, I can hear some vague similarities, but per Rykitu, I've always thought of them as distinct.
10. Martendo (talk) Per Hewer.
11. A Switch (Altendo) Per H Switch.
12. Ihavenoideaboyo (talk) Yeah, I don't hear the similarity. Not even a leitmotif or something.

Comments

Do you think I should split the proposal into having a section that is about splitting and one about whether it is a remix, or does it work fine like that? -- FanOfYoshi at 13:55, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

I don't think it makes a difference in this case whether we consider it an arrangement or not, since it has enough appearances for a split either way. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 14:44, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

That makes sense to me! 👍 -- FanOfYoshi at 15:51, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

This proposal should only cover whether "P Switch BGM" is considered an arrangement of "P Switch BGM / Toad's House." The two themes should have separate articles regardless of the outcome of the proposal. B700465189a9 (talk) 21:12, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

Just to let everyone know, I've finished splitting all relevant information to P Switch BGM. When the proposal passes, the Super Mario World section may be removed as well. The Dab Master 18:12, October 27, 2025 (EDT)