Talk:List of physical games

"Electronic" water games

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canceled by proposer
Before the physical games were split from the main List of games, we had a section for water games titled "Electronic water games". The only water games that were on the list at the time were the water games created by Dynatech in their "Play2O" series of water games. Then the physical game gold rush of 2025 began, which added more water games that weren't made by Dynatech, yet the term "electronic water game" stayed. I would like this to change because most water games don't have electronic components at all. The only ones that do are the Play2O's, and they are the only games that officially use the term "electronic water game". If this proposal passes, every water game that is not made by Dynatech that has an identifier will remove the word "electronic" and in the text of the article as it isn't truthful. The Play2O's will keep the "electronic water game" term within the text of the article, but now that I think about it, maybe the identifiers for those should be moved to "(Dynatech Play2O)"...

Proposer: Rykitu (talk)
Deadline: October 24, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support (Dynatech Play2O)

1. Rykitu (water game) (talk) Per proposal.
2. 2 Nelsonic WATER GAMES & 2 other Nelsonic WATER GAMES (talk) I'm not sure if this needs a proposal. It doesn't sound like there'd be much pushback in regards to this.
3. Warning: Evie May Be Slippery When Wet (talk) per Nelsonic, i think you can just do this?
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Yeah, no, this shouldn't even require proposal. If "Electronic Water Game" is not an apt term, do not call them that.

Jigsaw puzzles

Is there a reason the jigsaw puzzles should get their own separate articles? The information for them pretty much amounts to, "(name) is a jigsaw puzzle released by (company) in (year). It has (number) pieces and is an image of (subject)," which is pretty bare-bones for a standard article. I get we're going for every type of board game getting a dedicated article, but I really don't think having a bunch of two-sentence articles is the way to approach this coverage. I feel like they would be better suited as a List of jigsaw puzzles with all of these common traits organised into a table, like how the Play Nintendo puzzles are compiled. Example:

Name	Image	Company	Release date	Number of pieces	Size	Description
Super Mario Bros. World 1-1 Puzzle		USAopoly	2016	550	24 × 18 inches	A screenshot of Mario clearing World 1-1 in Super Mario Bros.

(In fact, there's a number of other, non-jigsaw games that I feel would also be in the same boat, like the other puzzles, but I wanted to tackle the jigsaws first since they were the most egregious of them especially with how many there are. Baby steps.) Mario JC 08:01, November 6, 2025 (EST)

@Mario jc I'd be alright with a merge. I think the some of the other puzzles could stay separate due to how they're packaged, i.e. the Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 2 pocket puzzles coming in the little Famicom-shaped cases. The two Super Mario World Puzzle Games would be in the same boat, as I feel there's enough supplemental information... I'd say most of the other puzzles also have enough formatting differences/only have a small amount on the list, such as the sliding puzzles.

Although, that raises the question of what do do about the articles that have names in other languages sections, like Super Mario 3D World Puzzle Ramune Collection or Family Computer Jigsaw Puzzle Ate... Nelsonic (talk edits) 11:51, November 6, 2025 (EST)

We'd agree with a "List of jigsaw puzzles". There's not much variance with them, unlike stuff like the slide puzzles, thanks to. THE CAN. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 12:18, November 6, 2025 (EST)

Made a proposal. As for names in other languages, I think we can list the original names in the list with the English names underneath them (as I've done in the linked draft), since it's pretty rare for these to have multiple names in other languages; on the off chance one does, we can list them the usual way at the bottom of the page. Mario JC 06:54, November 7, 2025 (EST)

Merge jigsaw puzzle articles into List of jigsaw puzzles

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Do not merge 2-9
Per my reasoning in the above section. Basically, all of the existing jigsaw puzzle articles linked here would be compiled into a table list on a separate List of jigsaw puzzles article, with any future jigsaw puzzle information to be added there instead. However, the existing table on the list of physical games will stay as a simplified version of the proposed list, just with {{main}} at the top and the jigsaw links redirected to the list. I've made a draft here (not complete but you'll get the idea of the page). As for images, we generally would only need a couple for each one at most: the packaging and puzzle itself, both of which can be included in the table itself, but like with the foreign names (as I mentioned in my last message above), in the event there are more images of use (say, the Collector's Cards from the Hobbico puzzles), they can be assembled in a gallery underneath the list.

Proposer: Mario jc (talk)
Deadline: November 21, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Mario jc (talk) Per proposal.
2. Ihavenoideaboyo Puzzle Ramune Collection (talk) Having multiple short pages that could (and should) be merged into eachother is probably one of the worst crimes this wiki has committed IMO. I just think it's ridiculous to have multiple seperate articles for like three sentences, an image or two, and then a navigator template. Like, if you're an article who can barely break the thousand-byte mark, you're just asking to be merged at that point...

Oppose

1. Salmancer (talk) I oppose on principle. These are physical releases, which likely have all kinds of differences between them. Materials, sturdiness, print quality. The reason the Play Nintendo puzzles are merged is because they're digital and I assume we know the code for menus and interacting with the pieces is being reused, so the only difference between each one are in their color schemes and art assets. Plus, I thought collecting merchandise from different lines in a single article was considered a mistake, being that it means our current merchandise pages have to deal with how we weren't collecting all the data we should have in the past. I don't want to inflict that onto our jigsaw puzzle coverage.
2. Jdtendo (talk) Per Salmancer. A giant list would be clunkier and messier than dedicated articles like we have currently.
3. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
4. Altendo (talk) Per all. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to the list, but only if the actual pages are also kept.
5. EvieMaybe (talk) per Salmancer
6. 300-piece Nelsonic Puzzle (talk) Per Salmancer and Altendo.
7. Camwoodstock (talk) Merging the actual pages together is a total deal-breaker for us. Our merchandise coverage has been dodgy at best for awhile now, precisely because a lot of that information has been merged into huge amorphous galleries for a long while. For over a decade, the Canundrum Puzzle Can was listed as though it was a drink in novelty cup, and the aboutfile claimed it was a drink, when it was, in fact, a slide puzzle. And nobody caught on, because this error was tucked away in a gallery since its creation. It would not surprise us if there are other cases of things like this in these merchandise galleries, and we should not be doing anything that would encourage that risk once more. Per Altendo, if the individual pages were kept, a separate list would be fine, but as it stands with the super-merge, no thank you.
8. Martendo (talk) Per all.
9. Jakks Pacific Maw-Ray Playset (talk) Per all. I don't think that puzzles should be given different treatment than other physical games as they are still technically games. I also don't like how the puzzle pages that have more information are lumped together at the bottom of the page; it'd be better if they were given their own articles. Overall, I feel that merging all of the puzzles onto one page effectively limits the amount of content we can add for these games. (The merging of merchandise information into a single gallery is also the reason why our coverage on toys has been lacking, which I want to improve.)

Comments

@Salmancer What differences are there enough to distinguish them, and why aren't these differences mentioned on any of the current jigsaw pages? They all share the same inherent properties of a jigsaw puzzle (number of pieces, size, final picture - that's basically it when it comes to notable info) and it becomes an almost cookie-cutter process to crank out a bunch of short articles with this same layout. For something like material, that's not much more than a few words to add to the description column.

@Camwoodstock @Maw-Ray Master If the concern is that this will be a repeat of the merch gallery, I don't think having the information merged will necessarily impact its exposure on the site. It will be at the same place (accessed through the links on this article), just put together, so it wouldn't be as obscure as before. It's also not really limiting information since, again, that's all there really is to write about jigsaw puzzles. And maybe then if there are more substantial jigsaws, those can get their own articles.

Having both the merged list and the split articles also doesn't make sense to me; the list compiles the same info on all the pages, so it would be repeating info. Mario JC 11:30, November 12, 2025 (EST)

It's actually more of giving physical games the same amount coverage regardless of the amount of content in the actual game. I had someone else on the talk page for the list of home releases for The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! asking if giving pages for single-issue VHS releases is necessary, explaining that it is usually only consists of the episode and the live-action segment and that the blurbs featured on the VHS releases are already on the articles for the respective articles. I'm also unsure of how the list of jigsaw puzzles will be linked onto the physical games template; we can no longer link to sections of articles on navigational templates as per this proposal. Maw-Ray Master (talk) 15:11, November 12, 2025 (EST)

Going to hazard a guess and it's harder to get information about materials and print quality. Companies readily publish things like size and number of pieces, they're the kinds of things online product listings are expected to have. I'm also going to wager the wiki's editors do not actually have some of these more obscure puzzles, especially when none of the articles say what a "Collector's Card" is. And without actually having the puzzle, it would be hard to determine print quality. I am personally okay with cookie cutter articles, though I admit the articles we have are pretty lacking. Maybe we could make some graphics of differently shaped jigsaw puzzle pieces so each article could have a gallery showing the shapes its pieces have.Salmancer (talk) 07:25, November 14, 2025 (EST)

I would be okay with merging different puzzles released that have the same branding. (So, Collector's Puzzle article, 3D Puzzle article, etc) but no more than that. Salmancer (talk) 07:25, November 14, 2025 (EST)