Talk:GCN DK Mountain (theme)

Move page to "Dino Dino Jungle"

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Do not move 2-8
I think this page should be moved to "Dino Dino Jungle" (the name in Mario Kart World (Nintendo Music)). That name doesn't require the "GCN" prefix and makes sense in the context of the original Mario Kart: Double Dash!! game. All instances of this track that are named are all arrangements of the original track, so none of them take any priority.

Proposer: GamermanX2354 (talk)
Deadline: August 1, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Support

1. GamermanX2354 (talk) per above.
2. Hewer (talk) Shouldn't really need a proposal, this is consistent with what we've been doing with other themes in the same situation like "Bowser Castle" instead of "GBA Bowser Castle 1" or "Peach Circuit" instead of "GBA Mario Circuit". As far as policy is concerned, the two names here have equal priority (both being names of arrangements) so we can pick whichever we want, and precedent has favoured picking the Mario Kart World names (probably because they're more suited to the original context of the themes). I'm surprised this hasn't been moved already, I'd guess the only reason it hasn't is probably due to it not being part of the "jukebox" and thus getting overlooked when the other tracks were moved.

Oppose

1. Arend (talk) To be honest, since most of the race course theme articles we have are simply named after the first race course the theme appears, I do think it makes more sense to keep the DK Mountain name, even if the only official title we have like that still bears the GCN prefix from 8 Deluxe. Ideally, we would name the article after the original track's title, but Double Dash hasn't been released for Nintendo Music yet. By these rules, however, I think "GCN Dino Dino Jungle" from Mario Kart 7 makes more sense to prioritize over 8 Deluxe's OR World's, simply because that's literally the closest-sounding to the original (in fact, I'm not sure if it's even arranged at all).
2. Dab Dab Mountain (talk) Per Arend.
3. Rob Rob Bank (theme) Under the current guidelines, and how Free Roam remixes are named in Mario Kart World, it really seems like the first track this theme plays in has its name prioritized. Take "Figure-8 Circuit", which is named that way instead of "Mario Circuit" despite sharing the same name. And if names from Mario Kart World take priority, then "Luigi Raceway" should be "Wario Stadium" because Wario Stadium appears in World but not Luigi Raceway. Those tracks were just named like this to fit in with the course they play on, but for other remixes of tracks that play in multiple courses, they always show the name of the first course that plays the track, as far as I can tell. And if we want to take using course names from World even further, then "Koopa Beach" should be named "Koopa Troopa Beach" after the track got renamed from Koopa Beach 2, but seeing how that music track was named after the course, it proves my point about World course remixes only being named after the World track they play on, not to mention that the track is still called "Koopa Beach" in both the mission original and Free Roam arrangement. I would support removing the GCN from the beginning, however.
4. GCN Yoshi18 (talk) If we move this article to "Dino Dino Jungle" (theme MKWorld NM name), it would be inaccurate to articles like "Wii Maple Treeway" (which also had a proposal to move the MK7 name to the MKWorld NM one, but failed). Per Rob Rob Bank and PhDedede, I would support removing the course prefix from articles like this, though.
5. PhDedede (talk) Even if we do change it to "Dino Dino Jungle" we're just gonna change it right back to "DK Mountain" once Double Dash!! inevitably gets added to the app; this is just kicking a can down the road.
6. Iand255 (talk) Per everyone else before me. I would personally like to make note of the fact that the theme quotes from Round 1 BGM from Donkey Kong Jr., which to me more than solidifies the fact that this song is, and always has been, for DK Mountain specifically, regardless of its reuse in Dino Dino Jungle. To move the page to "Dino Dino Jungle" and make that its main title just because it's the cleanest official name currently available feels disingenuous to me. I, much like Rob and Yoshi, would love to see the GCN from the name go away though. I personally am of the opinion that it's silly how pages like this one use the retro course prefix in their titles. I understand why it's that way, they are part of the official title currently available to us after all, but I also feel like we all can agree that the official name of the original song doesn't include the prefix, and never would or will in an official release of the original game's soundtrack.
7. Wilben (talk) Per PhDedede. This article is just gonna be moved to DK Mountain (theme) anyway whenever Double Dash inevitably gets added to Nintendo Music. We might as well just wait until then.
8. MBertie (talk) Per R.O.B. and Wilben - DK Mountain is the first course to use the theme, and when we get an official name without the console prefix, we should move it to whatever that ends up being.

Comments

@Arend Just wondering but why should we prioritize MK7 over MKWorld? Hasn't MKWorld's soundtrack (at least for this course) already been released on NM? Yoshi18 (talk | contribs) 16:04, July 18, 2026 (UTC)

It's literally like I said in my oppose comment: the one from Mario Kart 7 sounds the closest to the original version from Double Dash. According to MarioWiki:Article naming#Musical theme titles, the English title of the original theme should always take priority. The version from Mario Kart 7 is NOT an arrangement, like the version from World (or the one from 8 Deluxe, for that matter), but instead a remaster of the original theme from Double Dash; it attempts to sound the same as the original, whereas the arrangements do not, therefor it makes sense to prioritize the 7 version. Heck, if Mario Kart Wii were to be on Nintendo Music as well, I'd even go all-in to keep the "GCN DK Mountain" title until we get Double Dash on Nintendo Music, since I'm pretty sure that straight up is the same track as in the GameCube title. rend (talk) (edits) 16:22, July 18, 2026 (UTC)

I don't think a distinction is made in policy between "remasters" and "arrangements" for the purpose of naming. If it sounds different then it doesn't count as the original. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:54, July 18, 2026 (UTC)

@Yoshi18 Regarding the "Wii Maple Treeway" one, that one is because the Mario Kart 7 version is just the original theme, not an arrangement. In this case, all the versions that are named are arrangements, and none of them are the original theme. (For reference, the only ones that are named for this one are the Mario Kart 7 version ("GCN Dino Dino Jungle"), the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe version ("GCN DK Mountain"), and the Mario Kart World version ("Dino Dino Jungle"). All of these are arrangements.) Since all of them are arrangements, none of them take any priority. GamermanX2354 (talk) 15:39, July 19, 2026 (UTC)

Well, the Mario Kart 7 one just uses slightly different instrumentation (a thing that’s done for all retro race courses (except for Mario Kart Wii courses); retro battle courses use their Mario Kart Wii arrangement for some reason). It's the most accurate to the original of all of the arrangements (you can't even hear the difference when casually playing the game). Yoshi18 (talk | contribs) 20:20, July 22, 2026 (UTC)

@I... am R.O.B.: I don't really understand what point you were trying to make in your vote, but both of the examples you mentioned aren't comparable to this because Luigi Raceway and Koopa Beach already have official names for the original versions of the tracks, which take priority automatically. Dino Dino Jungle doesn't yet have an official name for the original version, so an arrangement name must be used instead, such as the name from Mario Kart World. We can't just call it "DK Mountain" without the prefix because that name has never been officially used. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:10, July 19, 2026 (UTC)

@PhDedede @Wilben: We have no idea how long it'll take for them to add Double Dash to Nintendo Music, we've already gone a year and a half since the app launched and currently have only 5 out of 10 mainline Mario Kart soundtracks. For all we know could be waiting another year or two for Double Dash. What would be the harm in moving this page to better match policy in the meantime, rather than waiting indefinitely for a future event that we presume will come eventually? It's not like moving the page now will make it any harder to move it again if and when the time comes. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 17:16, July 21, 2026 (UTC)

@Hewer, I think the major difference between moving a page like "GBA Bowser Castle 1" to "Bowser Castle" or "GBA Mario Circuit" to "Peach Circuit", and moving this page to "Dino Dino Jungle" is a lot of the logic and reasoning behind the naming convections of Mario Kart courses. In the case of "Bowser Castle" from Mario Kart: Super Circuit, moving the page from "GBA Bowser Castle 1" made perfect sense because the theme was very clearly made to play in all 4 Bowser Castle courses in the game, not just 1, and it isn't fundamentally changing what the name is referring to, it just broadens the scope of it. And in the case of "Peach Circuit", that move makes sense because, as @I... am R.O.B. pointed out, the names of Mario Kart course themes have historically had the first course it's played in take priority, as that is generally the course it was composed for, and the course Nintendo refers to the theme by, as shown repeatedly and consistently in Mario Kart World, where the only time a theme isn't named after the first course it appeared in is when it is the theme for a retro course separate from the course it originally appeared in. In fact, if it weren't for the fact that Mario Kart World unexpectedly decided to drop the labels for retro courses, Dino Dino Jungle's remake in that game would have probably just been called "GCN Dino Dino Jungle", just like any other Mario Kart game. In my opinion, the theme itself makes it very clear that its main purpose is as the theme for "DK Mountain", and its reuse in "Dino Dino Jungle" was not the focus of the composer of the theme, much like with many other examples of the same situation; such as, but not limited to, "Luigi Circuit" and "Luigi Circuit" from Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart: Double Dash!! respectively, "Peach Beach" and "Mushroom Bridge" which are also from Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, "Toad Circuit" from Mario Kart 7, and "Figure-8 Circuit" and "Waluigi Pinball" from Mario Kart DS. I 100% agree with @PhDedede that this is just pointlessly kicking a can down the road for no reason, even if we don't see Double Dash on Nintendo Music for another few years. Arguably, moving the page to "Dino Dino Jungle" would probably do more harm than good because we'd either have to modify the current page to make sense under that name, which would arguably make no sense because, again, the theme plays on "DK Mountain" first, and that's why we choose "GCN DK Mountain" to begin with instead of "GCN Dino Dino Jungle" when it appeared in 7, or we'd have to leave it as is which would just be incredibly strange. "Dino Dino Jungle (theme)" already redirects to this page. So does "GCN Dino Dino Jungle (theme)" and "DK Mountain (theme)" for that matter, so it's not like the page being under "GCN DK Mountain" is making the page hard to find or confusing for anyone. Literally every name, conjectural and official, that this page could be under leads here anyway; there is no point in moving it to one of those redirects just because the name of it feels better to a minority of people. Because, as PhDedede and @Wilben said; we are inevitably just going to move this page back to "DK Mountain" as soon as Double Dash is added to Nintendo Music. Even if it takes one or two years like you suggested, that stills means this is going to be a temporary move, regardless of how long it takes until it gets overwritten. But the other thing about that is, since it's an unknown, there's no way to know for sure that it's even gonna get that long. What if we do move the page, and then a week later Double Dash just gets added to Nintendo Music out of nowhere? Games getting added to Nintendo Music out of the blue has happened before, it will happen again, and there is nothing stopping it from happening here. Both opinions on this matter are based on What Ifs, but at least, in my opinion, the idea that we might do all this work to move the page to "Dino Dino Jungle", even though it most people seem to agree that it is the worse option for the page's name, just to have it completely invalidated in a short timespan afterwards is a bit more reasonable than the idea that just because Mario Kart World calls the theme "Dino Dino Jungle" without the GCN prefix and we don't know when Double Dash will get added to Nintendo Music means we should move the page until then, especially when the only reason Mario Kart World calls it "Dino Dino Jungle" without the prefix at all is because it is a unique case compared to the vast majority of songs in the game. It just seems completely pointless to make a move like this for an unknown period of time that we know is going to be temporary, when the name the page currently has, realistically, is more accurate to the theme, even if I agree that it is clunkier. Iand255 (talk) 04:08, July 22, 2026 (UTC)

@Iand255, Um... what's the summarized point of that massive paragraph supposed to be? Your comment appears to be using a lot of words to say very little, and seems to parrot other users previous statements a bit too much. Wandering Poplin (talk) 04:42, July 22, 2026 (UTC)

@Wandering Poplin, my apologies for the incredibly massive and overly expansive paragraph. When I am very passionate about a subject, like this one, I have a tendency to say way more than I have to. I totally get where you're coming from with me heavily referring to other users previous statements in my comment, but I personally find that the best way to write something compelling about your opinion on something is to be able to point to someone else who thinks the same way. That's just the way my brain works, and I hope you can understand that. The reason I really wrote this paragraph at all is because I saw @Hewer's comment (see above mine) and wanted to voice my opinion on why I disagree with his comment, as well as the original statement he made in his vote. I tried to make the paragraph a TL;DR in the form of the final sentence, which is a fairly straightforward statement of my opinion, but I understand how that could still leave you looking for one, because it doesn't directly acknowledge the massive body of text that came before it, of which I was trying to use to make specific points to show why I think this way, so anyone reading my comment has the chance to see my thought process and try to understand where I'm coming from before replying. Everyone's minds work and think differently, and discussing our thoughts among each other is easiest when we can understand the process by which we each came to our personal conclusions and opinions. I think the TL;DR of my paragraph of should be as follows; I don't think that this situation with this page is comparable to the examples Hewer brought up, and I think that the unknown variable of when Double Dash may get added to Nintendo Music isn't a good reason to move the page. Iand255 (talk) 05:48, July 22, 2026 (UTC)

No worries. It's (more or less) not an important issue, it just makes it a bit hard to comprehend the intended "point", that's all. Wandering Poplin (talk) 06:01, July 22, 2026 (UTC)

I don't think that the unknown variable of when Double Dash gets added to Nintendo Music is a reason to move the page, I just also don't think it's a reason not to. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:01, July 22, 2026 (UTC)

You don't need to explain to me why it's called Dino Dino Jungle, I understand that. Regardless, Dino Dino Jungle is still a perfectly fine name for the theme that plays in Dino Dino Jungle. I really don't think the fact that DK Mountain is in the Star Cup while Dino Dino Jungle is in the Special Cup makes a massive difference about the intent of the theme (if that even matters), I doubt they developed every course in Double Dash in exact sequential order. I don't know why you're talking about redirects and ease of finding the page or why you're portraying my argument as "just because it feels better to a minority of people", I never made any of those arguments.
"What if we do move the page, and then a week later Double Dash just gets added to Nintendo Music out of nowhere?" - Then we'll move it again. Moving a page isn't really some big difficult process. You press a button and then change some links (and that last part can be automated), it's not that hard. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 14:56, July 22, 2026 (UTC)