MarioWiki talk:Japanese

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Is this a Writing Guideline or not? It is linked to from the policy page yet it doesn't belong to the category.--Knife (talk) 17:24, 8 December 2011 (EST)

The page has been under construction and was being developed largely by Twentytwofiftyseven (talk). But as he seldom appears in the Wiki now, the page is unfinished. You should talk to him about this topic.

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I'm not sure if there was much that needed to be added anyway. However, I've been wondering if it might be better to make this page just "MarioWiki:Japanese" and reorganize it a bit, since it already has aspects of policy that go beyond plain romanization. On a policy note, I also think we should just use plain Hepburn and allow long え and い to be romanized as ei and ii as well as ē and ī - that's what all the other wikis do, iirc. It might also be a good idea to just let proper names/titles be capitalized in foreignname, since that's how most people try to enter them anyway, and from what I've seen, Wikipedia, Bulbapedia and Zelda Wiki all capitalize names even if they're not used in the article's title. - Walkazo 00:03, 9 December 2011 (EST)

English capitals[edit]

If an English letter appears in Japanese text, should it be written literally in the romanized text (A, B, C, ...) or rendered in Japanese pronunciation (ē, , shī, ...)? A gossip-loving Toad (talk) 03:59, 4 February 2016 (EST)

I think it should be written literally, and same with numbers: romanizing them just looks a bit too earnest and excessive, imho (and can make things hard to understand, since it could seem like the letter/number was skipped, especially if the romanization's done poorly, with no spaces separating the letter/number). On the other hand, I would advise using the hover-over text to include the kana that would have been used in place of the English letter/number, going by the same logic as showing the kana for kanji - I've even seen furigana used this way in manga (including Super Mario Kun). The same thing could be done for the romanization itself too, for that matter, so then it'd be best of both worlds: all the info, but none of the artificialness of writing letters. - Walkazo 12:05, 4 February 2016 (EST)

furigana template[edit]

Is there a template for furigana marking? A template not only makes code cleaner, it can also make furigana available to those who don't have a mouse. A gossip-loving Toad (talk) 02:34, 13 February 2016 (EST)

Rendaku[edit]

The Japanese language has a strange rule such that

kodomo + heya = kodomobeya

similar to how "furi" and "kana" make "furigana". Should such things be taken into account if Nintendo does not provide a pronunciation of the kanji in a name? A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 21:46, 8 May 2016 (EDT)

As I continued learning Japanese I found that this needn't standardisation. Shame on me. A gossip-loving Toad (Talk) 00:13, 31 May 2016 (EDT)

Official romanizations[edit]

Are official romanizations which are given by Nintendo allowed? --Yoshi ski.png FanOfYoshi DrFreezegood SMW2.png 12:31, 4 November 2018 (EST)

Kanjis[edit]

Certain games do not use the "Hiragana above Kanjis" thing, such as Super Mario Maker 2, which complicates reading for non-kanji reading people in Japan. How would they expect everyone to read Kanjis? --Yoshi ski.png FanOfYoshi DrFreezegood SMW2.png 10:52, July 3, 2019 (EDT)

Fake Dakuten R letters[edit]

I've found out that the "r" letters shown with the Dakuten are fake. If you try to copy-paste them, you can see that it is a fake. If there was an "l" sound, it'd have been a Handakuten. Does the "l" sound even exist in Japanese? --Yoshi ski.png FanOfYoshi DrFreezegood SMW2.png 03:41, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

From what I've seen, they can technically be used to represent non-Japanese words with L sounds. They're basically never used, though. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 04:04, July 13, 2019 (EDT)

"So"-like letter[edit]

I've found a letter that looks like a "so", but looks distinct from it. I've found it here. It has a Handakuten, but it isn't that that makes it looks different. It's at the end of the last sentence. --Yoshi ski.png FanOfYoshi DrFreezegood SMW2.png 07:06, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

That's just another way of writing so (or in this case, zo). Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 07:08, August 3, 2019 (EDT)

Reliable translator[edit]

Yes i'm aware that i've been posting multiples messages in a row in htis, but what is the most reliable translator? I use Yandex translator, but i believe it has the same reliability as Google Translate. Also, i've seen names in Hiragana using this ー , see Balloon Teresa. Also, when it comes to loanwords, are they ever written in Hiragana? --Yoshi ski.png FanOfYoshi DrFreezegood SMW2.png 05:57, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

Late reply, but...
1. Online translators generally aren't very accurate, I'd recommend cross-referencing Japanese words with a dictionary in case something was lost.
2. The chōonpu is sometimes used in hiragana for stylistic reasons (such as 「らーめん」), though this is unusual. In the case of Barūn Teresa however, the word 「ばるーん」 is simply a transliteration of the English word "balloon", which would normally be written in katakana as 「バルーン」. For reasons unknown (probably a stylistic choice), they wrote it in hiragana instead but kept the chōonpu, instead of changing the spelling to 「ばるうん」 or something.
3. I've seen it before (see above), probably just as a stylistic choice.
Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 15:42, October 6, 2019 (EDT)

C vs. T[edit]

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Note that っち should be cchi, never tchi, as it is in other romanization systems.

But why? Not only is it, as noted, more commonly spelled with a "t", but it's more obvious to casuals how it's supposed to be pronounced if it's spelled with a "t". RickTommy (talk) 22:05, September 15, 2019 (EDT)