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Error when Submiting

I am getting a database error whenever I submit an edit:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1194: Table 'searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".

The edit is still going through, though, so editors, don't be alarmed. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 20:00, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

I am also getting the same error when searching. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 20:02, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

Me too, the wiki has to gotta get an upgrade on it's hardware. RAP.pngRAP... AHHHHH! It's the WareHard!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

The upgrade is being processed, so the site will be down while the server is being upgraded. --Steve (talk) Get Firefox 10:50, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Assist Trophies & Pokemon

OK, as you people may know, there has been a debate over the Assist Trophy characters. Should they have their own articles, or should they be put on the Assist Trophy page. Well, the opposed won, and the articles were STILL made. So, I am bringing it here to get more results. NOTE: The result of this poll is temporary. A new decision can be made when the game has been released.

Create Articles for Assist Trophy Characters and Pokemon

  1. Dodoman For Assist Trophies, AND Poke Balls.
  2. Paperjorgesp.png PJBeware, I give Paper Cuts!
  3. Aipom_Banana_2.gif Aipom 424.png
  4. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 13:03, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Leave them all on the Assist Trophy Article and the Pokemon Article

  1. My Bloody Valentine
  2. Bottle Wizzerd
  3. Cobold (talk · contribs)
  4. Full Metal MoogleKirbyWalk.gif
  5. Knife (talk) 17:00, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
  6. Mario riding YoshiXzelionETC


Didn't I already open a poll at Talk: Assist Trophy? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 05:34, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Yes, the opposing team won, but the people on this Wiki STILL went ahead and made the articles. So, I put it here to get REAL results. I hope you understand. My Bloody Valentine

Cobold, consider Talk:Main Page our community hub page. Votes & such get more response here Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 17:42, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

There would be too little information for most pokemon and assist trophies leave as is. Mario riding YoshiXzelionETC
I beg to differ. I've seen Mini-game pages smaller than Dr. Wright and Goro.

Though I do think the Assist Trophies could serve some more potential than Poke Balls... Dodester

Why even bother with any of this? Just mark the trophies as items, not where the character comes from and leave it at that. -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 21:43, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

We also have a similar argument going on over the Super Abilities and Skillshots from Mario Strikers Charged. My Bloody Valentine

Itadaki Street DS

WE NEED HELP ON THIS ARTICLE, AND ITS RELATED ARTICLES!!!! C'mon people, surely a few of you have this game, and this Wiki is in great need for it to be finished. Just saying. My Bloody Valentine

It's Japan-only. No one has the game. Max2 (talk)

Perhaps with some good online translators we could rock the floor... but I'm no good at that. Can anyone post some good sources? Stumpers! 08:29, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

If all else fails, when you find foreign source, use Babel Fish or Google translator. The translation might be shaky, but they generally tend to be accurate.SaudyTalk!

SSB Emblems in Corner of Articles

I think the only emblems in the upper corner of articles should be the FA star. This is the Mario Wiki, so we don't need to identify every article with a SSB symbol. ♥♪!? 18:58, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Why do you hate them? That took me ages to do, and why exactly are you dissing them. I only put them on, because on the Trivia Section, it states what the characters Emblem is, so I put it at the top to show what it looks like. So, what's you're problem with them? My Bloody Valentine
Also, the symbol images aren't transparent, which makes them very annoying for my yellow skin. {{SSB fighter infobox}} takes care of this now, so when adding that template to articles, can anyone (DP?) doing it also remove the corner item? Thanks, as Mr. ♥♪!? suggests, the corner code should be used sparingly Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 19:01, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
I don't hate the emblems, just their placement. The template should work fine. =) ♥♪!? 19:02, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
OH RIGHT, the Template. I am so forgetful, that's the Aussies for ya :P OK, thanks for reminding me, I shall remove them and add the Template soon. Thanks. My Bloody Valentine


Steve made this: A map of the MarioWiki. Dunno if its ok to post it. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!

Posting is good, and here's the new link to the map. --Steve (talk) Get Firefox 12:42, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

DK Wiki

Why isn't there a link to the DK Wiki on the main-page? -Klaus Kratchet

Wow, that's history for long now. It's all here now! - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:50, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

The DK Wiki was closed down about a year ago due to lack of interest. -- Sir Grodus

Wow, it's already been a year? It seems like a few months at most. Wow... Phoenix Rider 15:24, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

I just estimated, in reality... I don't know how long its been. -- Sir Grodus

But... It's still here: -Klaus Kratchet

It's been 6 months. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif

Wait never mind. Thats part of the MarioWIki but not the DKWiki. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!

Brawl's Story?

... Tadaa!2.gifPlumber, Very strange...Tadaaa!.gif

Theres already a section on it at the Brawl page. I think its strange to, having a story mode. HE LOOKS AWSOME THOUGH. Full Metal MoogleKirbyWalk.gif

Ending the War

Okay guys, I'm asking you all nicely forgive and forget all the past events that have happened. I've removed every section pertaining to the stupid flame war. Why? First of all, it has almost nothing to with MarioWiki and doesn't increase productivity by adding sections like those. Second, why do we want to argue about whose fault it is and stuff. If you guys want to argue and blame people, do it elsewhere, not on the main page. Comments like those are not what the main page is for. So no more sections like those please.Knife (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

If the lot of you needs a place to fight, please move it to the forums. In future, those participating in flame wars will be suspended for 15 days (by me, I can't speak for other Sysops). -- Shyghost.PNGChrisShyghost.PNG 01:53, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Unused Image deletion

On the wiki, unused images are not needed and can be deleted. However, not all images with no links to it are unneeded. You never know who removed an image from the page, or if others disagree with removing it. In a matter of seconds, the image is deleted before the case is settled. Now we have to find the images again and re-upload them. What's the purpose of deleting them so quickly? I believe unused images should be somehow tagged. Then, you could wait one or two days to see whether the image is really no longer needed. Then you could still delete it. - Cobold's two cents... 04:58, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Agreed. Wait at least a day, and see if it is REALLY being unused. Don't act TOO quickly, some people might still be using those Images. My Bloody Valentine

Yeah, I guess this is my bad. Anyways, I agree with what your saying. Also, theres been a bunch of SSBM images uploaded recently, they've been here for at least a day and were never used. -- Sir Grodus

It's OK. As long as you agree, there is no harm done. Also, if you mean the SSBM Trophy Images, I'll take care of that. My Bloody Valentine

How about I create a different delete template for images, adding a variable for time of tagging. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 13:56, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Maybe we should have some template {{unused}}, which has one variable, the date of tagging (~~~~~), and adds it to a category Unused Images. This way, the unused images are not confused with corrupted images or images which are to be deleted by uploader request. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:43, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
That sounds perfect. Go with that one. My Bloody Valentine

The unused smashbro images are uploaded by mr.gameandwatch,should we warn him because tons of unused images are spam User:Lario


I have started to think that the article's Yoshi (species) and Toad (Species) should be merged with Yoshi and Toad. It gets too confusing to tell whether the yoshi is THE yoshi..... know what I mean? Who's to say really? (except game creators, and there not here)? Oppose? Support? - Ultimatetoad

I say keep the articles as is. It may be confusing to tell what Yoshis are the Yoshi, but we're sure that Yoshis are a species and there is a sole Yoshi by the name of Yoshi; the same goes for Toad. I say keep them. YELLOWYOSHI398

I'll make it a vote....


  1. Ultimatetoad


  2. -- Sir Grodus
  3. Cobold (talk · contribs) - Super Mario RPG does clearly distinguish between Toads and the Toad character and Yoshis and the Yoshi character.
  4. Max2 (talk)
  5. Beanbean
  6. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!
  7. My Bloody Valentine
  8. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif


I think Baby Yoshi could be merged with the Yoshi species article, though. -- Sir Grodus

I'm surprised by this. They re both totally different things. Let's merge Mario with human and Bomberry with Bob-ombs! Although maybe I'm being a bit too sarcastic, I see why you say that. But I still oppose. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!

Paper Jorge, Having too completly distinct characters of a certain species and having two characters with the exact same name and look of the rest of there species is not the same thing. Whos to say, for example, that the Yoshi in Paper Mario is'nt THE Yoshi, or that the one in Super Mario Kart is? and Cobold, you are half-right, but Toad's were known as Mushroom People back then. And, Sir Grodus, I also think that Baby Yoshi and the different colored yoshis should be merged with the species page, but thats for another time... - Ultimatetoad

Trophy Descriptions (poll)

Peoples, I think we need to decide on something right now. Should we list the trophy descriptions on the Trophy page, make a seperate article, or do nothing about the descriptions? Decide now.

Put Descriptions on Trophy Page

  1. Full Metal MoogleKirbyWalk.gif

Seperate Article for Descriptions

  1. Dodoman
  2. Knife
  3. My Bloody Valentine
  4. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif
  5. Cobold (talk · contribs) - though I still see no need to have them anyway.

None of the Above


Why even ask? Polls are meant to resolve conflicts, but since no one has a problem with creating a separate page for Trophy Descriptions, why bother? Although it is nice you asked.Knife (talk) 16:43, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

...Yeah, I was told to put it up here, and I thought a poll would be good. But I guess I'll make a seperate page for the descriptions.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dodoman (talk).

Alright guys, I have the first 90 Trophies. If someone could give me hand with any of the Pokemon or Lon Lon Milk descriptions, I would appreciate it as much as a lot. (Please post on my Talk Page if you would like to help me.)
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dodoman (talk).


Can we have a FC Center or something? It is were you can post your Fcs , this would save time from contacting individual people to copy them down. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 23:36, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

That would probably be on the forum. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif

Excuse me, but what is an FC? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:00, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
Friend Code. For Wi-Fi.SaudyTalk!
Yes, it is on the forums.SaudyTalk!

PAIR System Up

Just wanted to announce that MarioWiki:PAIR is up, revising the FA system. Let's try it out and get some effort, and see if we can improve a former/current FA. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 21:45, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

I devised the Pansy name, in case you wanted to know.SaudyTalk!

We could always rename it if you think it stinks, I guess... But I don't think it's bad... Stumpers! 08:06, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
It doesn't seem to be working out, just like Peer Reviews. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 13:03, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
Nothing is working. But not like Peer Reviews. It just isn't started yet. We need to get out of the confusion of Featured Article nominations being reinstalled and then PAIR being brought up the next day. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:06, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
I'm at a loss for what to do. No one seems to want to give the effort required. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 16:57, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
I am still waiting for indication. When are you supposed to review? Where do you put your review? Which artilce I review, the Old Fa, the nominated or other things? It's stil a bit unclear for me.

I don't want to revert to that retarded old system.

Then I say let's go back to the old way, If this isn't functioning well.F gLarrynana.gif

Fg, the problem is not that it doen't work. It's just that everyone is too lazy to do their parts. Gofer

Pay attention before posting, Fg. The new way hasn't technically started yet, and I shall get it rolling in a few minutes.SaudyTalk!

I'm not lazy about my duties, I didn't realise the reviews had already begun. Someone should have said "Go!" - Cobold, PAIR'S Mario Kart DS reviewer #1 17:06, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

oops sorry my bad and please disregard my comment above everyone.F gLarrynana.gif

Gofer: Category:Review Requested is where you should look for new articles, Cobold & Hk I guess already have MKDS, I'll see about another article I can do soon. Cobold: there was nothing about waiting in MarioWiki:PAIR for something to start. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 17:08, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Yeah... I figured it out after posting my comment.

Like Cobold said, someone should have said "GO".

Ta-Da. I got the ball rolling.SaudyTalk!

Reviewing Help Pages

Is anyone against me "reviewing" all pages in the Help namespace, using a template similar to {{PAIRreview}}? I've noticed some Help pages have been copied from past wikis, making them hard to read and such, and even though I'm not an admin anymore, I'd like to start a drive of revising these help pages to near-perfection. I would also do some policy pages. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 18:23, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

I see nothing wrong with that. Gofer

You'd have to run everything by everyone else first, and make all policy changes proposals.SaudyTalk!

Sure. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 18:30, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Awards Update

Everyone who signed from anywhere from 1-4 awards has a PM waiting in their forum inbox with the results. I know 2 presenters are unlikely to be here. Please let me know if that's the case and send your presentation early, I'll do it in your place. Remember to write in forum code ([b] [/b] etc.). As for everyone else, it's just less than 20 days away! Remember there's an all-day chat pre-show party on Saturday. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 16:23, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

You're a chat party...Knife (talk) 16:25, 25 July 2007 (EDT) spammy comment? maybe...

This morning my parents said we might (might) be able to use a computer there, but I'm not sure if we'll be able to. f_wikiimagem_a663437.pngBean


The Jump page has many officially named jumps with enough content for an article on the page. Should they all be split? Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 14:19, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Yes. Mario riding YoshiXzelionETC
I agree. The Super Mario Wiki has its own section for special moves, so it is pointless to put masses of them on the same page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:24, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

No, I did that before but all the others voted on merging all the jumps except for the Wall Jump (which is distinct enough to have it's own page). Just to be safe, we should open a poll.Knife (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, we should have a poll at MarioWiki: Proposals. I'll open one. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:29, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Ok. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 14:30, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Merges and Splits

Should we discuss them all at the proposals page? It's hard to do individual pages, though I would prefer to solve our many ones first before moving them. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 14:50, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

That's why proposals were made, and they attract alot of attention and give everyone a chance to vote.Knife (talk) 15:00, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, then it's decided. Though don't move all the unfinished votes yet, I would like to finish them off. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 15:10, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I would make a whole separate section for Merges & Splits, since they're more common than the other sections. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 16:59, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

What are you thinking of? We are even having a proposal ongoing on adding that separate section. Which is kinda ridiculous, if you ask me. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:00, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Democracy sometimes blows....Knife (talk) 17:02, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Yeah. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif

We should make MarioWiki:Proposals/Merges and MarioWiki:Proposals/Splits to make the page shorter. Comments? Max2 (talk)

Wiki main page Banners

How are these new and improved designs?:




-- WarioLoaf (talk) 18:35, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

No Yoshi? :( Mario riding YoshiXzelionETC

Like ULTRA SWEETNESS, but it's all from one game, Mario Strikers Charged. I dunno if we should be biased like that, the images now are common appearances Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 18:38, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

What about the Brawl pics? Mario riding YoshiXzelionETC

We should have images from like 3 games. I have some ideas:

  • Mario Pinball Land
  • Smash Bros. Melee
  • Super Princess Peach
  • Strikers Charged
  • Yoshi's Island DS

Of course, only 3 are used. Comments? Max2 (talk)

Possibly. If a combination of these ideas lead to 3 very nice new banners, it can go through a proposal. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 18:41, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Well, I can't... really make banners. I was only suggesting... :|( Max2 (talk)

it should be like to people on each banner, Mario and Luigi, Peach and Yoshi, Wario and Bowser.

Master Crash

I was thinking more of like

  • Smash Bros. Mario & Charged Luigi
  • SPP Peach & Pinball Toad
  • NSMB Bowser and Wario World Wario

Max2 (talk)

I think the way they are now is fine. Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif

  • How are these:




-- WarioLoaf (talk) 23:12, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Special Shots

Should the Special Shot page be split? They seem worthy of their own articles. My Bloody Valentine

There have been discussions, A Link to the Past argued against it back then. Another split to be proposed here. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:58, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
Kay-O, thanks. My Bloody Valentine


OK, I had no problem with the ads running along the sides of pages, but now they're starting to get on the bottoms of articles as well. Is there a way to fix this? It just seems awkward having the articles all interrupted by the ads. Phoenix Rider 09:06, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

You can remove the ads in your custom monobook. Use this:
 #footer {display:none}
But remember that the ads are the reason my donations are no longer needed for the wiki. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:07, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
Or maybe one of the following:
 #footer { display:none }
 #column-google { display:none }
 #google-ads { display:none }
 #google-linkbox { display:none }
 #google-referral { display:none }
 #adbrite-ads { display:none }
- Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:14, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

I asked Porplemontage about a code for my monobook to prevent ads, but he said "I do not allow ad removal even by monobook code, but you can use a special Firefox extension called Adblock..."Knife (talk) 16:55, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

You were donating, Cobold? :D And yes, the monobook code works no longer, but my Firefox with some form of Adblock extension leaves a small blank space at the bottom. Another reason to get FF! Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 19:28, 29 July 2007 (EDT)


For some reason it wont let me make a sig.([[User:Toadbert101|<u>Toadbert101</u>|[[User talk:Toadbert101|<u>Give a yell</u>]])]] 21:28, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

By the way,I did not put those last two brackets before the time&date. So I'm not putting that mess back up here so,well,here,I'll put this. -Toadbert101.
You're supposed to check the "raw sig" checkbox. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 00:58, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
Oops. *blushes* Silly me. -Toadbert101

Fourth Wall Breakage Category

I noticed we have a new category, though I must question when Mario and Luigi broke the Fourth Wall. --Dodoman

Hotel Mario. -- Sir Grodus

When did Peach and Daisy break the Fourth Wall? Also, Mario breaks the Fourth Wall in Game & Watch Gallery 3. My Bloody Valentine
Daisy breaks it when she gets a double bogey or worse in Toadstool Tour: "No no no no no YOU KLUTZ!". Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 00:59, 30 July 2007 (EDT)
OK, what about Peach? My Bloody Valentine
About Mario, I was thinking about the end of Super Mario 64. Thank you so much for to-a playing-a my game! Obviously talking to YOU. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!

During Super Paper Mario, when the player gets to choose her answers to Francis's swoon.exe. If the player agrees to marry Francis in one of the questions, Peach will say "Hey! Who's picking these answers anyway?". On a side note, Bestovius and others will say (when explaining how to do a move) "Don't worry, the mysterious entity behind the TV screen will know what to do." or something like that.Knife (talk) 01:10, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

Peach also break the fourth wall in Hotel Mario ("U ARE TEH BEST PLAYER EVAR!") Gofer

Nintendo also breaks the fourth wall in SMW (YOU ARE A SUPER PLAYER !!) Tadaa!2.gifPlumberTadaaa!.gif 15:32, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

I don't think that counts. That's like saying that any game that says "Press A to do such-and-such" breaks the fourth wall.

Anyway, right now I'm trying to list when characters break the fourth wall and in what games for the Fourth Wall page. I think I need some help here... --Dodoman

New Pics

The new pictures for Knowledge Base External links etc. look horrible. The same art for each character wasn't even's just...just bad! Fixitup

You can always start a Proposal for bringing back the old ones, or suggest a new design. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:53, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

Porplemotage himself liked them, and I agree.Knife (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

I agree too, those are much better than the bland old one. Gofer

I slightly prefer the old ones, but these are alright I guess. Phoenix Rider

I like the newer ones a little more than the older ones. Mario riding YoshiXzelionETC