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Super Mario Galaxy

I don't think that the fan quotes belong in the article, so I'm removing them. It makes the aritcle too fanboyish, and less of an encyclopedia article. 13-Volt 14:15, 9 December 2006 (EST)

Yes, I think so too. If we must put in qoutes, let's try to make them critic's, not fan's. 3D

When is this game going to be released? It looks awesome Max2

Winter 07 --Bentendo 17:17, 24 February 2007 (EST)

It is most certainly not. Parayoshiicon.jpgPara Yoshi Wahoo!Parayoshiicon.jpg 17:18, 24 February

2007 (EST)

Explain then, when is it coming out? --Bentendo 17:21, 24 February 2007 (EST)

...It's unknown. I wouldn't think this year, though. Wa Yoshihead.png TC@Y 17:23, 24 February 2007 (EST)
Nintendo Power claimed "Mid 2007" in a previous issue. I don't mean to start an arguement. I just want to know a source. Parayoshiicon.jpgPara Yoshi Wahoo!Parayoshiicon.jpg 17:26, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Any thing this small should not cause an argument Parayoshi, atleast I wouldn't think so. Any way, I thought I heard from a site such as gonintendo that it will come out during the holiday rush, which is of course in November or December. I may be wrong though. --Bentendo 17:30, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Wait, maybe that was Phantom Hourglass... whoops, sorry. --Bentendo 17:40, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Oh, yeah. It probobly is. Parayoshiicon.jpgPara Yoshi Wahoo!Parayoshiicon.jpg 17:46, 24 February 2007 (EST)
Super Mario Galaxy is coming out within the first six months after the Wii is released. It has been 3 months already. We shall expect to be playing it within three more months. --General Kelty 18:51, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Oh my gosh - Best video ever just released!

http://gamevideos.com/video/id/9890

--Bentendo 16:04, 8 March 2007 (EST)

8O, Wigglers, robots, volcanoes, giant Yoshi Eggs! -- Sir Grodus

OOO thank you for the awesomnes!!! i never knew a form of petety pirhana was going to be in that game! Isyou 16:15, 8 March 2007 (EST)
I've titled him Piranha Plant Dinosaur! --Bentendo 16:16, 8 March 2007 (EST)

nice NSMBW Mario and Yoshi Jumping Artwork.pngXzelionETC

In the trailer, mario is in water. What about that article? how are we going to do that? Isyou 16:37, 8 March 2007 (EST)

seriously, I just can't think of anything. For now maybe we will just have to put it in the main article. --Bentendo 16:46, 8 March 2007 (EST)

OMG! Awesome!--Aipom_Banana_2.gif Aipom 424.png--

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!! ROFLOL!!!!! THANKS, BENTENDO! OOOH, MAN, THANKS! 3dhammer.gif 3D, AW, MAAAAN! 3dhammer.gif

Err... yer welcome? --Bentendo 18:46, 8 March 2007 (EST)

In-depth look at the new video.

All right, here is every bit of information from the video.

00:01-00:03 = The Super Mario Galaxy logo and Wii logo pop up with Mario stating "It's a me, Mario".
00:04-00:05 = Mario pops up on the screen and grabs a star.
00:06-00:09 = Mario spins through a star and flys toward the Yoshi Egg planetoid.
00:10-00:13 = Mario, in a different area, spins through another star, then escapes a large erupting volcano. In the background you can see two, very large planets connected to each other by what seems to be a few lava spires (truly, I don't even know if thats the right word).
00:14-00:21 = (A different area) Mario flys through yet another star, and alnds on what looks like two white shpere shapes that are both connected to each other. On the planetoid, you can see many large boulders that will crash into you. This area was seen at E3.
00:22-00:27 = Mario will jump onto a very small grass ball, thus releasing a vine that will shoot Mario up to the stage above him.
00:28-00:33 = Mario will be on a long wooden stage with plenty of wigglers. He will then ground pound the, well, ground, and the wigglers will flip over. Soon after a Wiggler will get very angry, and red, and start to charge the hero.
00:34-00:39 = Mario will shoot off of a planet, fly around the pill planet (which is far away) then fly toward the Yoshi egg. This is a good time to check out the earth sized planet below, where you can see rivers, cities, and even a large lit up outline of a star.
00:40-00:44 = Mario will be inside of the Pill Planet, shoot out of it (thus breaking what seems to be glass), shoot by a black hole, and into another star.
00:45-00:50 = Mario will land on some large block, then use those blue orb things to get across the level. The background here is also nice, with many different airships.
00:51-00:54 = More orbs, though this is in a different area. There are a whole bunch of mini suns! Mario will get burned by one of the fire balls that the mini sun will let out.
00:55-01:00 = This part was fun. Mario will land on an apple with a log sticking out of it. He will smash it in, which will hurt the large worm inside of it. The worm will then shoot out of the apple, and into another apple above, giving Mario access to the next apple.
01:01-01:07 = Mario will jump on some robot in the lava world. He will then shoot through a star on a block.
01:08-01:10 = Mario will shoot through a star (in the lava world) and then crash through large mounds of lava dirt :)
01:11-01:13 = Mario will spin around, hit some robot, which will go crashing into the wall.
01:14-01:17 = After waiting for the lava to calm down, Mario will shoot across it.
01:18-01:23 = Mario will be on a planetoid with all sorts of gooey blue guys.
???? - The time ball was in the way.... - Mario, on a large, long metal platform, runs under a whomp.
???? - Mario is swimming under water, and gets attacked by a large whats-it's face.
???-01:32 = A giant Piranha Plant Dino crashes through it's egg and starts to chase Mario.
01:33-01:35 = Mario is grabing onto a large flower that is drifting in space.
Final - Mario shoots through some crystals and the Super Mario Galaxy logo pops up.

--Bentendo 18:24, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Excellent evaluation.--Aipom_Banana_2.gif Aipom 424.png--

Not that this isn't an excellent evaluation (as Aipom said), but you missed one thing. At the section where the Thwomp is, look in the background and you'll see an evil Tox Box thing. Strange. I'll make a page for it later. Parayoshiicon.jpgPara Yoshi Wahoo!Parayoshiicon.jpg 14:57, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

You have a lot of time. Paperjorgesp.png Cappuccino Paperjorgesp.png

Galaxy Template

How do I change the Galaxy template? I have some stuff to add to it but I don't know how. Peachycakes 3.14 08:12, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

You can edit the template at Template:Galaxies. --KPH2293 08:51, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Um...

How is this GAME a galaxy of it's own? TheGreatBlockyBoo 11:48, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

It was added to the Galaxies category because of the Galaxy template being on the page. Usually, those templates don't appear on the pages of the games, to prevent that. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:56, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Look here for some pics and some new enemies, some old enemies.. etc..

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178737

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About the new scans...

According to a translation (someone else did that), there will be six Galaxies, the equvalent of the levels of SMS and SM64. TheGreatBlockyBoo 18:30, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Oh, dear...

User:Mario molina is deleting this page. Requesting air strike. 3dhammer.gif 3D, REVERT!1!!!11!! 3dhammer.gif

Uh... My Bloody Valentine
Which means let's alert the sysops and revert all deletes. 3dhammer.gif 3D, I alerted Sir Grodus. 3dhammer.gif
Oh, Kay-O. My Bloody Valentine
Looks like Mr. Molina's had his fun. Let's hope he doesn't return. All the sysops are out. 3dhammer.gif 3D, snap. 3dhammer.gif
Let's hope she doesn't return. Oh well, I'm here most of the day, I can patrol the Wiki in case he/she comes back. My Bloody Valentine

¿New boss?

Is this boss new in Mario Galaxy? Click!
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That's Spiny Mole, people were around creating an article for him for some time, but it was always a stub and got deleted right away. Go ahead when you've got enough content for the article to offer. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:06, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

New video can be found here. I don't know is that is new, or older, but whatever... Mario appears in a ¿minigame? controling an animal through a circuit....
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Was the video removed or something? Because when I click the link it redirects me to the main page. Frum LANKY KONG ! f_Lankeem_dd436b6.gif

Yes... thats strange, but Jeux-France remove the video from his server... well, someone upload this in Youtube. The link -> here
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New screens

Some new pictures from Jeux-France... maybe with new bosses, i don't know... link.--Caith Sith 17:57, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Luigi confirmed?

This is a very small pic, but i think the "green thing" on the window is Luigi... no? 20215_n20071010_20_garaxy_04.jpg
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It could be a Magikoopa for all we know from this pic, its not Luigi. ~Uniju(T-C-E)

At the Mushroom kingdom, it shows that someone did a superclose-up of the screenshot and it does appear to be luigi. Rex SMW sprite.pngPeachycakes 3.14 Your thoughts?


COOL! LUIGI!!!!!!!!!!!! The MissingLinkBowser 2.PNG YAYS!

Other Yoshi's planet?

Huh, once again... Look this scan [1]. In the left-down corner, there is a planet similar to Yoshi's head... is new or old? oh, other two new scans can be found in Jeux-France: click.
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If it wasn't for that proposal, someone would be making a Yoshi Head Planet right about now. Rex SMW sprite.pngPeachycakes 3.14

I think Yoshi will have a big part in this game! I saw a movie of the title screen of SMG, and there was Yoshi! Link -->[2]

The MissingLinkBowser 2.PNG cool!

Spring Mario

I saw a official movie when Mario got a power up and became a spring, should we make a article on it?

The MissingLinkBowser 2.PNG ???

Unless the name "Spring Mario" is official, don't. We add a proposal about this.

Glowsquid

Kamek

I saw a video of a boss battle and it looked like Giant Kamek from Super Princess Peach. Should it be added? - Mcoolister


Bowser the boss

Bowsers the boss for SMG. Heres the Pic. Rainbowyoshi.gif]]50pxSuper Yoshi10YoshiMP8art.pngLookey ThisBlack Yoshi Move.gif 134551-Super-Mario-Galaxy.jpg

We already know Bowser is a boss character. My Bloody Valentine

The Koopalings?

In the article under the Confirmed Characters section, it lists the Koopalings as characters. When was this confirmed?
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Good point, I'll remove it. My Bloody Valentine

LUIGI ISN'T CONFRIMED

I'm getting sick and tired of this. LUIGI ISN'T CONFIRMED. This may be a visual mistake, and it hasn't been announced. People need to quit adding Luigi! I've also noticed his head looks disturted, and his overalls isn't darker then Marios. SO people should QUIT adding Luigi to the confirmed characters! NSMBUSmallMario.pngMinimariolover10 TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!

Yeah, you tell 'em Minimariolover10! ;) My Bloody Valentine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtSRicjGVQ Full Metal MoogleKirbyWalk.gif

So he isn't an optical mistake. But to what I have seen, it could be anyone in green clothes. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:56, 21 October 2007 (EDT) Okay, add him.

He IS confirmed, not only was he mensioned by some toads, but in the video there's no doubt it's luigi. He even uses his signiture: Maaaaarrrriiiiiooooo!!!!! Rex SMW sprite.pngPeachycakes 3.14 So quit reversing it, and start accepting that some people might know things you don't.

Oh! I didn;t see that video. Sorry! NSMBUSmallMario.pngMinimariolover10 TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!!

Peachcakes, you are becoming like me when I was a sarcastic jerk. I didn't see that video either. We can't keep track of everything! If someone added Luigi to the article, and we removed it saying it was NOT confirmed, then that someone should've given us a link to the movie for proof. Instead, he just kept adding Luigi with no proof, so of course we assumed that was false information! You have to understand, not everyone can keep track of everything. My Bloody Valentine Stop being a jerk, before you walk the path I walked on.
Sorry, I just get frustrated that this place has suddenly gone from accepting anything to deleting everything they havn't seen themselves. Rex SMW sprite.pngPeachycakes 3.14 Sorry again.

The Magikoopa

All of the gaming websites have been saying that the Magikoopa who blasts Mario from Princess Peach's castle is Kamek. Does anyone have any evidence about whether or not this is really Kamek? Stumpers! 18:43, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Stumpers got a point. It's probably Kamek. NSMBUSmallMario.pngMinimariolover10 TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Not all Magikoopas can do cruel things to Mario THAT easy.

Thanks! My main reason for assuming it to be Kamek is that Bowser wouldn't trust any Magikoopa to take out Mario, you know? Plus, Kamek has been appearing a lot lately, so I don't know why Nintendo would pick a generic Magikoopa over Kamek now. Stumpers! 23:44, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

shall i change it or should i wait for certin confirmation? --Toadófsky1 03:11, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

Spinias?

In this video there are enemies that look alot like Spinias. Should it be added? - Mcoolister

I wouldn't actually name the creature a Spinia yet. On the article, you could write something like - A creature resembling a Spinia has been seen on a recent video - as many people have done before on the article. That's what I would do, anyway. --Toadófsky1 03:23, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Rosalina or Rosetta???

I read she is refered as Rosalina but only in Europe. Is it true or is she named Rosalina in north America, too? Javier12345

Cosmic / Comet Observatory

Is Princess Rosalina's place "Cosmic Observatory" or "Comet Observatory"? I've seen both names in different places. (By the way, according to a video I saw on IGN, the "Stardust Galaxy" should be spelled "Star Dust Galaxy.") ND IRISH ROCK! 16:53, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

It was called "Cosmic Observatory" in the trailer movie by the presenter. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:00, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
Reports by sites like IGN and 1UP and such have called it the comet observatory. Rex SMW sprite.pngPeachycakes 3.14

So who's right? ND IRISH ROCK! 15:23, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Always choose Nintnedo over IGN. That's my policy. ;) Stumpers! 00:04, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
What about Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games? Nintendo of Australia said the game would be released in Australia October 22nd, IGN said November 22nd. IGN was right. My Bloody Valentine
Release dates versus game footage from Nintendo: I'd go with Nintendo. Plus, you remember that SEGA released M&S. I would go to SEGA for any information about that game if I were you. And while I appreciate Nintendo AU, I'm pretty sure Nintendo of America takes care of the initial English translation (pre-running it through a UK/AU spell-checker to fix the American English, of course), and therefore Nintendo of America may be more reliable in this regard. Stumpers! 17:39, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Nintendo Power info on Luigi

Here's what it says -

GHOSTLY GALAXY

It's surprising how Mario's scarredy-cat little brother, Luigi, keeps finding himself in the spookiest places. Ghostly Galaxy is pakced with giant Boos, trap doors, and one green-suspendered, knee trembling sibling. But saving his bacon is worth the effort - once you get Luigi safely back to the Comet Observatory, he'll help you out in your quest to find more-tricky stars.

More NP info later, kay. --Bentendo 18:16, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

More NP info

  • Loopdeeloop Galaxy is a small galaxy that features that Manta racing mini-game. To control the manta ray, you turn the Wii remote in different directions, and to jump, just flick the wii mote.
  • Rolling Green Galaxy is another small galaxy that features that ball rolling mini game. To control the ball, stick the Wii mote up so it's pointing toward the ceiling.

UPDATE 2:

  • Shadow Mario will be appearing in some of these Prankster Comics, where you have to race him.
  • Some rooms in the Beach Bowl Galaxy will have the water on the ceilings due to the gravity.
  • Fire and Ice powers only last for a short time.
  • To shoot fire balls, you flick with the Wii remote.
  • Swiming underwater with a Koopa Shell will allow you to go faster. Underwater, you're able to toss the shell by flicking the Wii Remote. To get more air underwater, collect coins or go through air bubbles.

UPDATE 3:

  • Mario Galaxy will be on the cover of next month's issue.
  • There are four types of prankster comits - Beat the clock, daredevil ones, race Shadow Mario, and various obstacle based ones. There may be more but they're not listed.
  • Good Egg Galaxy is the first one that you explore, excluding the observitory.
  • Not much information was given on Bowser's Star Reactor, though it appears like a classic Bowser world.

--Bentendo 18:20, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

More Yoshi references via website. (something odd though)

Alright, Nintendo just updated the Galaxy website with this -

[3]

Now, as you can see, both photos have emblems of Yoshi, though if you look at the picture on the left, there's something a little fishy that may just prove that Yoshi IS in the game.

If you notice his face, you can see that it's not artwork, but rather it was ripped from an image. However, that design of Yoshi hasn't been found elsewhere, and it looks perfect for the game, which makes me waunder if he really is in the game. Let's speculate! --Bentendo 13:28, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

The "Brawl website"? Are you sure you're in the right game? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:37, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
My mistake, I changed it to Galaxy!
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VIDEOS!!!!

Watch some of this guy's videos, it has the truth about Luigi in SMG!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/XvSiriusvX


The MissingLinkBowser 2.PNG WATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

More new pics

More planets and galaxies... here. --Caith Sith 19:12, 28 October 2007 (EDT)

Play as Luigi..?

 If you collected all 120 Stars Luigi will be playable.

How do we know this? Can someone give me a cite? --Galvanic 04:22, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

I didn't write that (I think it was Princess Butterfly, but I'm not sure), but as the game has been released in Japan, it is conceivible that some very nerdy soul or some overworked editor of a game site has already gotten 120 Stars. Alternately, gaming mags like Famitsu may possibly have spilled the beans or been tipped off by Nintendo. Thank you for bringing this up. I was wondering the same thing myself, seeing as it's technically possible that someone would know. Stumpers! 17:56, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Hello yes it was me who wrote 'bout Luigi.Princess Butterfly I think is true. (I hope Luigi needs his own game.) Your welcome the site was ... ( I remember Wikipeadia.com I think?) But when I found out I nearly fainted.(Why 120 stars. Can't you get beat the game and play as him!!) Well we will find out in ten more days!! Oh and there horrorable news I heard 'bout PIRATED COPIES!!! If you want to know please answer at this page soon.

Hey has anyone preorder it? PeacePrincess Butterfly

I preordered SMG, and I will die if I don't play it soon! (Especially considering that Luigi is in the game!) ND IRISH ROCK! 09:43, 5 November 2007 (EST)

I know just one more week!!! Princess Butterfly Princess Rosalina Super Mario Galaxy.png

Planets

Should we still have articles on the planets? There seem to be a lot more than one can count, and many of them look like they were conjecturally named. I suggest merging them with the galaxies' articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Personally, I say keep them seperate, or merge them into lists by galaxy. I still think they should get their own articles, however. TheGreatBlockyBoo 09:57, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
Even the conjecturally named ones? I don't think so. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:57, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
Well, where would we put them? And a lot of conjecturally named things have their own articles. TheGreatBlockyBoo 09:59, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
The problem is, the number of planet is HUMONGOUS and they are all very minor, if we have an article on all of them, we should also start creating articles on every individual platform, every bit of landscape and ect.
Glowsquid
Then we make minor planets into lists by galaxy. TheGreatBlockyBoo 12:08, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
And then, we create a list of platform by world, and after, we create list of Goomba by level... I say it's all or nothing, we keep these planet articles or we delete them outright, they just seem too minor.
Glowsquid
=_= Fine. But then, if people are curious, they can't know. Plus, you're taking it too far. Why don't we create ONE list, for all the planets. There. Does that work? TheGreatBlockyBoo 12:19, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
*sigh* Other users may agree with you, I think than these planets are as notable as landscape features, some may dissagree, that's fine.
Glowsquid
Okay. I still think they should then be one big list with a lot of sections. TheGreatBlockyBoo 12:27, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
Actually, those planets have no more function than the (officially named!) Casino, which already got merged with Hotel Delfino. Because of this I think the planets should go into the galaxy articles. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:48, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
...As long as they each get their own sections, I'll go with that. Shall we begin with that? TheGreatBlockyBoo 12:52, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
Idea: make a single article for the planets, but only show their pictures in a series of tables, without their conjectural names. The article could be named Gallery of Planets in Super Mario Galaxy or something, and be divided into sections, with one section per galaxy. This way, we would have the best of both worlds: one could see pictures of the planets, we wouldn't have to think of silly conjectural names (no offense to whomever thought of all those names), and we could junk all the individual articles for the planets. ND IRISH ROCK! 09:38, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Check Out This

Alot of Luma have powers, helping mario out.

  1. White Luma (Tyke) can do a Spinning.
  2. Yellow Luma can create Spring Stars and maybe Star Rings.
  3. Blue Luma can create Beam Stars.
  4. Green Luma are the only Luma that I haven't seen so far in the game.
  5. Pink Luma can create a new planet, leaving behind a pink-colored Star Ring.
  6. Black Luma are extremely intelligent and taught Mario how to shoot Star Bits.
  7. Red Luma can do this. I of course don't know what this is called therefore I won't be able to submit an article about it.


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Unsure?

I heard now that Princess Rosetta is her name in Japan. And Princess Rosalina is her name for the US,AUS,EU. Should we wait until the game is released to find out her name? Princess Butterfly Princess Rosalina Super Mario Galaxy.png

Rosalina in Europe not US.
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Organizing the galaxies

Shouldn't we categorize the galaxies by where they appear in the Comet Observatory? (e.g., the Terrace, the Kitchen, the Fountain, etc.) ND IRISH ROCK! 15:28, 6 November 2007 (EST)

We aren't actually sure about it. I'll organize them as soon as the game is released in the US on November 12, 2007. Mariofanical 15:34, November 12, 2007 (CST)

Thanks. ND IRISH ROCK! 08:46, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Galaxies

May someone fix this. There is Bowser's Dark Matter Galaxy AND Bowser's Dark Matter Plant. Bowser's Dark Matter Plant is the correct name. {{galaxies}}
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Another Boss?

I don't know, but is this enemy considered a boss? [4] and [5] and [6]
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Given that the music changes when you battle it, i'd say yes. Rex SMW sprite.pngPeachycakes 3.14

Although none of the level names gives us the name of this enemy, shouldn't we count him as a boss? Mariofanical

he is a boss(i got the guide)but his name is dumb.his name in the Gold Leaf Galaxy is Bubble Cannon and in Toy Time Galaxy it is Cannon.
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Well that's dumb. He does appear in the Deep Dark Galaxy. Mariofanical.

Best resource ever.

Here is every single star, organized by galaxy. click here Rex SMW sprite.pngPeachycakes 3.14

It's missing the Gale Galaxy. Mariofanical

There are misson select screens

I watched some of TyndelM's super mario galaxy videos on You Tube and there were misson select screens.
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