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Mario's Last Name

I would argue that the source for Mario's last name also being Mario is false. Miyamoto's quote clearly leaves Mario and Luigi's last name ambiguous, equating it to Mickey Mouse not really having a last name. https://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-says-marios-full-name-is-mario-mario/ --Seandwalsh (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2018 (EST)

That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: Link Link. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST)

I'd argue that just because Miyamoto says Mario has a last name doesn't mean it's true. It's like how J.K. Rowling said Hermione was black even though the books (she wrote) clearly stated that she had white skin. Miyamoto says Mario has a last name but none of the games back up this claim. The only real source for Mario having a last name is the 1993 Mario Movie and that is shown to not be canon to the games.--Pizza Master (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2023 (EDT)

Except that nothing in the games contradicts Mario being the last name, so we have no reason to not trust Miyamoto on the subject. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:38, August 15, 2023 (EDT)

If Miyamoto flip-flops between whether they do or don't have a last name, can we really trust that they do? What if he flip-flops back to saying they (Mario and Luigi) don't have last names? Also, though the games don't contradict Miyamoto they also don't support Miyamoto either. I think we should leave the last name blank because there has yet to be confirmation from the games on the subject.-- Pizza Master 17:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)

If he changes his mind again then we'll reflect that, but he hasn't done so since 2015, and he only changed his mind once anyway. And if we were to remove information on the basis of not being confirmed nor denied by the games, the wiki would be pretty different (there's plenty of enemies that are unnamed in the games and use their names from guides, books, websites, emails, etc.). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:43, August 17, 2023 (EDT)

Fair enough. Though, I do think that Mario having the same first and last name is pretty dumb. It makes me wonder; Is Wario's full name Wario Wario?-- Pizza Master 16:03, August 17, 2023 (EDT)

If that were the case, Waluigi's full name would be "Waluigi Wario". However, Wario and Waluigi's last names weren't confirmed by Nintendo, only Mario's full name was confirmed to be "Mario Mario"; also making Luigi's full name "Luigi Mario". Jake Lugo (talk) 10:08, March 9, 2024 (EST)

The writing is AWFUL

I needed something to listen to while I worked on something, so I had text-to-speech read out this article because I was curious. Most of the article is fine, but the "History" section is a complete and utter mess. Tons of poor grammar, spelling and grammatical errors, missing words, nonsensical statements, unnecessary information, and unrelated tangents. Everything beyond the History section is competently written, so it's just the big section that goes over all the games Mario has been in.

I'm afraid I don't have the time to fix it, but I thought I would at least bring it up here. 96.48.239.44 07:34, 19 January 2019 (EST)

You mean you can't? Yes, it is protected. You have to create an account first, make at least 5 edits on pages, during 4 days, and you'd be autoconfirmed to edit the page. -- FanOfYoshi 07:46, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Uhh... No, I said "I don't have the time" because I don't have the time. 96.48.239.44 20:43, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Okay... Can you provide a few examples of the "awful" writing? ^(T|C) 02:57, 20 January 2019 (EST)

Please just remove Mario's dang height....

There is no confirmation on what Mario's "canon" height is as far as I'm aware and saying Mario's canon height is 155cm just because a Statue that said "Life Size" on it exists is an outright stupid reason to say he's over 5 feet, and it's outright insane to think he's somehow 155cm, it makes no sense whatsoever and it's offensive to short people such as myself, because I stand at 165cm and I will never grow a bit anymore. And when someone says stubby freakin' Mario is 155cm, I find that so insulting, especially when Mario Odyssey gameplay depicts Mario just a tiny bit taller than a freaking Fire Hydrant, which Hydrants are standardized at around 2 feet, and when I measured a Fire Hydrant height, it was 2'06" not to mention I measured my own head at 9 inches, and doing the math with a ripped model (from a Gmod Addon) of the New Donk Male Citizen, measured the height in heads (removing the head from the rest of the mesh and stacking the heads on top of each other), the height in heads was 7.05, I took my own height (65 inches) and divided it by 9, and I got 7.22, which means I must be taller than the New Donk City male citizen, if anything, Mario stands at 3'00" (92cm) not to mention he displays common complications of Dwarfism, for instance, he's usually bow legged and has a slight hunch back. And, I mean, unlike people who claim Mario is 155cm, at the very least I can show my work that shows how I got my answer for Mario's height, and essentially show prove, and evidence of Mario's height being otherwise - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to think, people have yet to convince me Mario is somehow 5 feet, and honestly, I'll probably never believe it, because it's so outlandish and stupid to think, want to know why using that "Life Size" statue is so stupid? - https://us.amazon.com/Authentic-Nintendo-Licensed-Super-Collectible/dp/B01IGY1AFA it is apparently a "Life Size" Mario plush... yet it's a completely different number in height from the dang statue... And Let's be honest, I have more evidence on my side, Against calculations? Rather have officials say so? Welp, here ya go - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r, Want More? Take more - https://www.dualshockers.com/miyamoto-explains-initially-worried-super-mario-odyssey/, notice that our key words on that second one are "Miyamoto" and "Normal People" Mario just can't be 5 feet, it makes no sense, and, well, this is probably a stupider reason I have to disbelieve it, but wouldn't it look so dang weird if a 155cm Mario were next to any anime girl of the height of 5 feet, like a lot of them are?

If you aren't mad at me for making this message and trying to defend my short height of 165cm (in imperial terms, that's 5'05"), and if you decided to take the time to look at my calculations and my points rather than outright say "UR RAWNG! UR RAWNG! IGNURINCE" or nailing me to a cross and burning it to the ground for saying Mario isn't over 5 feet tall, Thank You. GoldyFish110 (talk) 21 June 2019

Sorry I don't think you can delete information from an article (ESPECIALLY not Mario's) without a proposal. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:42, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

Sigh... I didn't wanna ask this again, but

Please remove a certain something from this quote I put here "Mario wears a trademark cap, brown hair (although the DiC cartoons sometimes depict it as black), a black or dark-brown mustache, and overalls and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" That certain something is "and is 155 cm (5 ft, 1 in) tall.[24]" Please, that is false information, and completely unconfirmed. Not to mention I personally find it very insulting, as a 165cm guy, so not only is this false information, but it's insulting and a mockery toward short people. If you aren't gonna respond to my first comment where I link several sources to debunk 155cm Mario as well as showing my math, then I have only few things to assume, either you don't care about short people's feelings and think this is a canon thing just cuz Matpat said so, or no one saw my last comment. Now don't get after me for being peeved when making this comment, ya didn't respond to the last in anyway, either show me an actually valid source that isn't the stupid statue, or get rid of that one quote. Please please please please please, It's soooooo annoying when people say Mario is 155cm, and the fact the freakin' Mario wiki is saying this, I'm not surprised, they got Larry's height way wrong, and I had to go in there and fix it and state that Larry is actually shorter than Mario and is in no way the same size as freakin' Peach, which was the dumbest oversight I've seen. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I'm just peeved that "and is 155 cm (5ft, 1 in) tall." remains on Mario's page, and the fact I was never given any response for my last comment, what, you want to keep claiming Mario is 5 feet yet at the same time, you know my math and my sources probably debunk that by a landslide? Oh dear I really apologize about the anger on this... GoldyFish110 (talk) 23? I think, I forgot to change the day so I guess I won't know, June 2019

First of all, if you feel insulted by a fictional character's height, yet you are taller yourself and people can actually be shorter, you might need to rethink something. People can be various heights, and Mario's 5'1" is certainly possible. There's nothing insulting here in the slightest.

Second, yes, the only source we have for that statement is a Kotaku article, which isn't the most credible source. Not only that, but the page being referenced is actually dead! If you can find something better, that would help.

Third, Mario is, again, a fictional character. His height fluctuates based on the game. Sonic is confirmed to be 3'3", yet Mario can stand about the same height in the Olympic Games. Even if he has a confirmed height or not, it doesn't really matter in terms of gameplay. 11:24, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

I agree with Alex95! It's subjective! -- FanOfYoshi 12:32, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Well, 165cm is 5'05" and that is short, and yes, it's taller than 5'01" but how much taller? And it must be worse for people who are also full grown adults, but shorter than me, right, because of a certain reason, Honestly... I feel insulted by a fictional character's height being claimed to be over 5 feet because of how Mario was depicted next to realistic people, so this is why I feel insulted by that - and this - now look at that, say Mario is 5'01" and tell me that doesn't sound like an insult or jab at people who are below 6 feet tall, just look at that, my calculations with heads, and the two sources I sent and tell me they didn't at the very least retcon Mario somehow being 5 feet, he's like, a little taller than a freakin' hydrant for crying out loud. Also, how is Mario being 155cm possible? I don't get it, I did all the math I could, and he's never that tall, compare him to objects and he's always shorter than 5 feet, and actually, when you pay attention, Mario's height is surprisingly consistent... with not being 5 feet, but rather, around the 3 foot mark. And with the heads thing, measuring Mario how I was told to by one of the articles "I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment." They said for measuring his jump height, but I use that for measuring his Mario height, I compare him to the realistic people, and the realistic people happen to be 7.05 heads tall when T-Posed, I'm 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 5'05" and because of this, I must be taller than the New Donkers, and my estimate is that they're about 5'03" and I got 92cm (3'00") for Mario's height given the size in heads of myself and the New Donker, I must be taller than the New Donker, while I don't think my measurements were super efficient given I was forced to use imperial measurements because I didn't have a metric measuring tape and I don't actually know anyone who is 7.05 heads tall, but at the very least it makes more sense than saying he's 5'01" cuz statue said so, at least, that's the only source I know of that say's he's 5'01" and even then, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that is 48 inches, Also, I'm insulted because I'm short, I'm classified as short, and so is 5'01" because 5'05" is only like, what, 4 inches taller, 10cm taller. So yes, I'm taller, but not much, and I'm still classified as short...

And well, about finding something better, I did find something better, but it doesn't really confirm Mario's height, it just confirms he isn't 5 feet, it was those two sources... And I apologize for making a large comment, I can't freaking stand this, and I really don't think there is any "confirmation" and if that article said anything, can you tell me who said the supposed height of Mario?

Okay EDIT: I took a look at the dead link's name (as in, hovered the mouse over it) and SIGH, that's just the "Life-Sized" Mario statue, and as I said before, "Life-Sized" Mario plush, and it's a completely different height, as far as I'm aware, Mario doesn't have an officially canon height, but is likely around 3 feet tall, as I calculated him to be 92cm tall. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019

I don't see how this is insulting, it's more supposed to be humorous. Mario's always been on the short side, but I don't really know why they went with realistic proportions for the New Donkers. Probably because of Pauline (it also resembles Sonic '06). The Mario world is weird, there's no real set canon height for anything.

As for where the claim initially came from... Only thing coming to mind is Game Theory. I don't know what the Kotaku article said, or if they had an official story. Searching "Mario's official height" in Google doesn't help, neither does Wikipedia. I'm leaving the dead link template next to the source anyway, in hopes it can be replaced or updated later.

I don't think 5'5" is short, I think that's pretty average. 14:30, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Actually, one of the articles I sent explains why they went with the realistic proportions for the New Donkers, I'll link it again - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and there is this source too, but it doesn't explain anything - https://gamerant.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-worry-new-donk-city/ where Miyamoto says "Where Mario is THIS Tall and Normal People are just a little bit taller" Though perhaps you aren't listening to them because they're bad sources? Tell me, do these sources seem valid? I decided to never go with Nintendo Life sources, however, because they tried to trick people into thinking the next Cuphead game was gonna be in an anime art style. And this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 just sort of shows why it's a bad idea to go with the statue height thing, heheh. And to be honest, what I was thinking about when people say Mario is 5'01" and I look at New Donk City, I think about a Theadore Roosevelt political cartoon drawing where for some reason they depicted him as being way cartoonishly short, and I didn't find it funny. Also, I think my height, being 165cm, it is actually short, at least in America, where I lived all my life, until now (I'm Finally free) I was much shorter than everyone there, though I didn't look too much shorter or feel too much shorter, I was just short, and I mostly only ever compared to the girls in height, even then they were taller than me for the most part, oh, and American School was the same place the teacher showed me that political art, where everyone was taller than me and I noticed it much more, and the political art making fun of short heights, that got to me, and currently living in Czech, my height doesn't feel much different around people at stores and such, I still feel like a short stack. Also, I did my calculations, and this is my math I did - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and to be honest, with no actual confirmation on the character's height, does the height really need to be on the page? It really isn't true as far as I'm aware, and I also had problems a while back with people claiming Larry Koopa was the same size as Princess Peach, arguing with the Larry Koopa fan who probably knew what he was talking about when saying that Larry is actually shorter than Mario, from what I calculated, Larry seems to be around 74cm, or 2'05" (with pixel measurements in the 3DS Mario and Luigi games given those are my favorite games and I gave up long ago trying to calculate every single height, and I only really need one Larry Koopa height for my fan game starring Larry given I want to put him next to anime characters who have confirmed heights of their own, I even got Ludwig's official voice actor from Mario Kart 8 in it, and it was cool), and yeah, about Game Theory, that made it worse actually, and it made me miserable for a while debating the height, because people would toss my calculations aside and tell me "YA DIDN'T EVEN TRY ONLY HATIN ON MATPAT CUZ NO ONE BUT MATPAT CAN DO MATH" "U RUSHED THAT CUZ MATPAT'S IQ OF 140 PROVES HE'S RIGHT ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING OF ALL TIME AND UR POSSIBLE IQ OF 118 DOESN'T COMPARE" and so on, though I can tell them just because Matpat is smart doesn't mean he can't make a mistake, I even more than triple-check my work and they accuse me of rushing it, lol. I actually feel like I legit want to call Miyamoto on a phone or something and ask him myself how tall is Mario, just to end the debates, lol, though perhaps that's going too far, and I don't even know if Miyamoto can speak English. Though the rest of that stuff aside, the political cartoon, sometimes jokes are funny, but I don't see how this is, it's just saying "look, see that dwarf, he's 5 feet, just like you short people! hahahaha!" maybe they should make a tall person joke and say "he's over 6 feet tall" yet display him as around twice the normal people's sizes.

GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019

Yeah, interviews are proper sources. I don't believe the Game Theory (or any of the theories), but it's popular. See this for example. It gets around.

Anyway, your point is completely lost on me here in the midst of this large wall of text. I already agreed what we have on Mario's height is debatable, but I'd rather we find a new source that confirms something than outright remove the one we already have. New Donk isn't the first time Mario's stepped into realistic worlds, either; take the various episodes of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3.

Miyamoto knows some English, but not a lot. I think he can understand it, but can't really hold a conversation with it. 15:37, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

oh, I apologize for making it so large, heheh, though I think that if Mario doesn't have a confirmed height, why bother put his height on the page to begin with, heheh, is it really nessessary? and not to mention the dead link, it used the statue as the source (some vandalizer that watches Game Theory must have put it there if you don't know anything about it), and the statue can easily be proven to be a really bad source because of this - https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Licensed-Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-48-4ft-Plush-Doll-Toy-Very-RARE/2256117198 also, the TV shows aren't really canon, so I don't count them, heheh. And I did calculations using the two sources, this is what I got for Mario's accurate height - https://ibb.co/WKMm22j and I would like to ask Miyamoto if this is correct, heheh, and just simply that. Also, I became so obsessed with Mario character heights because of both Game Theory making a horrible theory on New Donk City and I'm making a fangame starring Larry Koopa, and I needed an actual height for Larry, given I'm going to put him next to anime characters with confirmed heights of their own, and he'd look bizarre at around 4 feet, not to mention I don't believe Mario is 5 feet to begin with, oh, and also, I managed to get Ludwig's official Mario Kart 8 voice actor in my fan game to voice Ludwig, and it was cool, and very fun. GoldyFish110 (talk) 24 June 2019

Looking at the reason why you're asking, I can assure you that Mario's height is the least concern. You can draw or model Larry as being as tall as Mario and you'd still agree with official material or you can go overboard and you'd still agree with concept artMedia:NSMBW_Bosses_Concept_Art.jpg. If anything, New Donk City and Mario & Sonic reconfirmed how relatively important is Mario's size.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:12, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not sure what's to get so worked up on a source. Maybe we should change the language to "Mario's height is suggested to be 5'1'' tall, but other sources have a disparity on the height, such as the comic of a guy smacking a small Mario around, Mario being really short to New Donkers, and Mario being more 'normal' in cartoon". Mario's height is similar to its relationship to Bowser's height, being wildly inconsistent. But what is established in official bios is that Mario is intended to be shorter than normal, such as the reference to "little Mario" in the original Donkey Kong, Mei Ling referring to Mario on "the short side", the cartoon bio calling him the "the shortest, chubbiest, most comedic-looking superhero ever to have his own show," and likely more that I missed, such as the "shorty" insults. Also, we don't dismiss sources for not being "canon", Mario has no canon, so official information should always be taken into account. Not arguing that the cartoon sources are the de facto information, but if they do list a specific height for him, we have to document it. Calculations in of themselves require a lot of assumptions to be made (such as when calculating a New Donker height) and you also had to ad hoc assumptions about the possibility of a statue being vandalized, which is not good thinking. The best way to go around, IMO, is to just apply Occam's Razor and document size disparities, rewrite the sentence that implies that Mario's height is confirmed 155cm and just way it's one of the few precise sources but most are ambiguous and inconsistent like Bowser's height in relation to Mario's. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 18:02, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

Okay, I apologize if I seemed too direct and mean, I really don't want to be, I just want to get my point across, just saying, you should still dismiss all "Life Size" Statues, figures, whatever, because as I've said before, there is a "Life Size" Mario Plush that stands at 4 Feet tall, and none of those statues seem to be the same height, heck, I even found a 4 foot Mario statue, a really old one, and it still says "Life Size" heheh. I think that "Life Size" in statues just means that it's a large size, like, Human-sized. And, while yes, I did have to assume the New Donker's heads were also roughly 9 inches, the assumption didn't inherently ruin the calculations, because while yes, the head size was assumed, but if they are around 7.05 heads tall, and I'm around 7.22 heads tall, and I'm 165cm, shouldn't the New Donker's NOT be taller than me? And 9 inches would be a very close head size for them when they have a very close height in heads to what I have. Given it takes less of their own head to make their full height, very slightly less of their own head than for me, but less of their own head nonetheless, and shouldn't their head size be a fraction smaller than my own if anything? My calculations would have been better if I knew someone just a little shorter than me with a height of 7.05 heads, but I mean, they aren't terrible, of course, I'm not asking to say Mario's height is what I calculated, because I'm aware that it is unconfirmed, I'm asking that Mario's height is removed entirely (and as I explained, the plush is also "Life Size" so Life Size in merch probably just means large sized and like a human in height)and if Mario's height is really something inconsistent, why have a height for him on the page? Ah well, I think I can edit this page now, probably because I was annoying about it (I apologize for being annoying about it, but thanks for granting me access to editing the page, I saw what was done there, the statue was swapped in for a different one that was close in size, but as I explained before, the plush, but is it okay if I just, remove Mario's height entirely, I really don't think that "Life Size" is meant to be taken literally, and is it okay if I just remove it myself now? I just wanna make sure I'm not doing anyone wrong by removing it) GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

Mister Wu, I mean, if I said that if I made Larry 4 feet, it'll look bizarre, why would I make him 5 feet or bigger, that'll look worse, heheh, not trying to be rude or anything, just saying, and going "underboard" would not agree with official material, now would it. He mostly is shorter than Mario on average with most of his heights, so I'm just gonna say shorter than Mario, though it would be a great idea to calculate all his heights and figure out which one is the average, actually, then I'll change his height again in my fan game, I think Color Splash is the only exception to that rule actually (and the concept art, but he's smaller in the actual game), but that's Paper Larry, heheh, and Paper Jam pretty much established that the Paper characters are completely different from the regular characters, and even then, the sprite size is shorter, so I don't exactly know how tall Color Splash Larry is because Paper Mario decided to do me dirty by re-sizing the plane, lol. And if Mario doesn't have a truly canon height (which I agree with), why would I use a height that is around 5 feet? Just because there are statues around 5 feet? But there is a Plush that is around 4 feet. Yeah, Mario has no canon, but I still think there are standards, such as things that Nintendo have very little involvement with should not be included (this includes the cartoons) and you shouldn't take a statue height seriously. EDIT: Also, How is the height the least of my concern when I'm putting Larry next to anime characters with confirmed heights to begin with? I can't just slap 'im in there and put him at whatever random height he ends up being, I'll end up with inconsistency, and that's the last thing I'd want to deal with, heheh. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

And oh dear, I apologize for all this writing. GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

See, you're making assumptions on how tall a New Donker is (no, seriously, you don't actually know how truly tall a New Donker is; relative sizes are only part of the picture) and then working on their proportions without knowing how tall they actually are. I think life-size isn't just large, it's supposed to be how Mario is sized in real life. If there are several officially licensed products disagreeing with each other, we should mention it in the article. Again, the entire point is to show that Mario's height is inconsistent, and the evidence provided reinforces that point more. My solution was to change the writing that's at odds with conflicting sources to be more line with the conflicting sources. Don't remove the source, add others and rewrite the section. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:39, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Thing is, I have a T-posed model of the New Donker, so I wasn't just using screenshots, and I ripped the New Donker from a Gmod addon and I worked on their proportions and made an estimate (or an educated guess, I think) of how tall they are based on their size in heads, and my own size in head, it's not a perfect estimate, but I personally don't think it's that bad given the head size would have to be such a small difference. I also found two interviews, one where Yoshiaki Koizumi was interviewed, and one where Shigeru Miyamoto was interviewed, and Yoshiaki Koizumi flat out says that New Donk City was realistic because they thought it would be easier on the user to measure how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall when compared to the people that the users live around, implying that they definitely payed close attention to how tall they were making the people and their realistic proportions so that users can get an idea of how high Mario's jump is, and it isn't far off to use this for his own height, right, which is what I did, otherwise, if they just didn't care, slap Mario into the realistic world, then they probably wouldn't tell us to compare him to the realistic humans. Yes, Mario's height is usually inconsistent, and they usually don't care about how tall they make Mario, just as long as he fits, but this time, I think they did care, This time, I think they cared because they wanted to show off Mario's true abilities, I apologize if I sound rude or anything, I don't want to be. I should probably link some more new found sources of "Life Size" Mario's, heheh, since I found a bunch - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Super-Mario-Nintendo-Statue-Figur-1-1-Replica-Life-Size-ca-50-cm/113736739548?epid=1633578282&hash=item1a7b3ceadc:g:gJwAAOSwCkZZTNOD I also found this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Giant-Life-Size-Super-Mario-Plush-Soft-Toy-Around-3ft-Tall-Jumbo-Gamer-Gift-NWT/143216777245?hash=item215862981d:g:zHwAAOSwRXhctOyN, and, I mean, I'm not the type who will completely emit all information that goes against me saying he's below 5 feet, I just don't think he's 5 feet or taller, but - https://www.ebay.com/itm/MARIO-MARIO-BROTHERS-65-Tall-Life-Size-CARDBOARD-CUTOUT-Standee/333126264095?hash=item4d8fdf651f:g:PTIAAOSwGFZck--B (And it's the most insulting height I've seen for Mario), it's the exact same height as myself (165cm) Though I did see the latest edit on the page, and thank you for acknowledging the 4 foot tall plush, but I guess since I'm found all this, and may find more, would it be okay if I just, put all the "Life Size" merch on the physical description, say "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft, 11 in) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 feet tall)[source for the 4 foot tall plush], though it doesn't end there as there is also other life size merchandise that seem to imply all kinds of different heights, such as 50 cm (1 ft, 7.6in)[source of 50 cm figure] (Oh my gosh, this one's ridiculous, about as ridiculous as the 5 foot Marios, I mean, I believe he's under 5 feet and abnormally short, but not this short, heheh, I do have standards), 3 feet [source of the 3 foot tall plush] (Perfect, because 3 feet is 92 cm, and as I calculated...), 155cm [I'll try to find a new source for this](the most popular height, and I don't like it), and 65 inches (5 ft, 5 in)[source of cutout](ouch), Though official interviews seem to imply that New Donk City was made realistic so that players can measure Mario's abilities by comparison to the people they live around[source of the Why New Donk City took a realistic approach source I sent], even one debunking a popular fan theory [link to Super Mario Odyssey's GIANT Problem, by game theory] by implying that the New Donkers are "Normal People"[source of the Miyamoto was worried about how players would react to seeing New Donk City that I sent], which, in theory, should possibly put Mario at about 3 feet tall in Super Mario Odyssey." So, without all my comments, how's this? Eeeh, I just think adding that he is depicted as 50cm in a life size merch just isn't right, while saying he's over 5 feet is weird in my opinion, saying he's 50 cm is also so weird, and I can't stop questioning this. And I really feel like that source may come off as mocking, but I'm really not trying to be, and I apologize greatly if it does come off as mocking, I really am not trying to mock anyone, it's just, it says "Life Size" on it, and it's 50 cm, and ehhhh, okay I should stop typing, and I apologize for the lengthy comment... Oh, but about Smash Bros, I think no one is to scale compared to characters that are not from the same series, I mean, look at Kirby, he was confirmed to be 20cm (8 inches) yet he's not really tiny by comparison to other characters, and again, I apologize for the lengthy comment, should I make the edit as the quote I made, and any suggestions on wording things differently? GoldyFish110 (talk) 25 June 2019

Let's put it clearly: trying to find a common height from the games for your own works isMedia:SMG Talking to Captain Toad.png pointlessMedia:Captain toad odyssey.jpg. The size of Mario and the others vary from game to game, you can't extrapolate some kind of "right" height, not even in relative terms. You just need to do what Nintendo does, adapting the height to what you are making so that it works best. Of course, you might want to use the official height chartsMedia:Mario 3DS chart.png and theMedia:Kansai Group Artwork.jpg artworkMedia:Nintendo JP Twitter million followers.jpg, but Nintendo couldn't care less about following these if they go against what they are doing (mostly, if they negatively affect gameplay or the animations). You absolutely need not to worry about this, it's a non-exisitng problem. As far as the main page is concerned, considering the great variability in the height of the life-size statues, that case was just one among many different ones that got picked up because of gaming journalism. If you really want to keep that kind of info, list the minimum height and maximum height found for those life-size figures, with references, but I wouldn't go beyond that, it would really clutter the page with what is basically trivia outside of the trivia section.--Mister Wu (talk) 21:19, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:56, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Ok, I know this isn't the place to ask this but...

I'm new to this wiki, how do I create a page? Do I have to earn those rights? Please help.
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You will become autoconfirmed after you make 10 edits and have an account for at least 7 days. --Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 15:13, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

Re: Mario's Playschool

While searching for proof that the name was used as an alternate release name for Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun, I thought of something: Would the international release having a different name count as a separate entry, or would it be possible to combine the entries somehow? -- Lord G. matters. 00:42, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Especially in the past, it wasn't unusual that the Japanese names of the "Mario" games were different from the corresponding Western names (e.g. Yoshi's Road Hunting, Super Mario Collection, Mario Story, Mario & Luigi RPG), this alone didn't warrant a separate entry. If there are significant differences in terms of content, then I think a new entry can be considered.--Mister Wu (talk) 12:18, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Flappy Bird

It is recommended to add his appearance in Flappy Bird. He only shows up when you get a score of 999.
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He doesn't, that's from a fake video. Mario JC 21:18, February 15, 2020 (EST)

Yeah. The guy had just used Super Mario™ pipes and similar ground tiles which just annoyed Nintendo but had Dong Nguyen actually put Mario in the game Nintendo would've noticed since the game was a huge success and they would've sued and removed the game from the app store. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:32, December 7, 2021 (EST)

Religion

I recommend that we should add that Mario is a Muslim. Miyamoto specifically said that Mario was a Muslim when he was interviewed by the king of Saudi Arabia on his trip to Mecca. Please add this!!!
The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.6.241.194 (talk).

Please provide a source for this claim. ^(T|C) 20:26, May 4, 2020 (EDT)

That is definitely just a stupid meme, but apparently he is ACTUALLY Christian, Jewish, and Muslim according to the Mario Quiz Cards. Grandet Omate (talk) 22:21, July 26, 2020 (EDT)

Wait I'm confused? Didn't Miyamoto say that Mario was "Homo Nintendous"? I'manumber1 (talk) 13:45, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

Mario's hair

Hey, um, I've been reading all this info, and this probably isn't a big deal, but I'm curious why in the section describing Mario's physical appearance it doesn't mention him gaining realistic hair in games starting with Super Mario Odyssey. It it because of how the level of detail to his har still is different between appearance, or is this just something that's never been brought up?--70.126.227.39 16:04, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

The thing is that Mario still has the exact same hairstyle, except now much more realistic in Odyssey. Then you come to the issue that Odyssey is actually the only game to have that level of detail in Mario's artwork. Mario Tennis Aces and Super Mario Party artwork gives Mario more detailed hair than normal, but nowhere near to Odyssey. Even that seems like it's mostly been dropped, with NSMBU Deluxe and Mario Maker 2 returning to the old level of detail. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 17:46, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

Okay, in U Deluxe and Maker 2, that seems to be more of a case to keep consistent with the original games (or in Maker 2's case, the in-game models) than because it's been dropped, because Nintendo is still using the detailed hair in newer, marketing artwork and games like Tokyo 2020. But thank you for explaining why the information isn't listed in the wiki page, I've been curious on it for a while!--70.126.227.39 18:29, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

You're welcome - for what it's worth, Mario only has the somewhat more detailed hair in the artwork used on the game's cover but none of his other artwork for that game. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:05, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

To be fair, SMM2 uses the same model he had in NSMBW, over 10 years ago. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:17, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

split.

jumpman is not mario
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He absolutely is. The arcade flyer called him Mario, as did home port manuals. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:27, June 6, 2020 (EDT)

That's just Game Theory nonsense. Miyamoto confirmed that Jumpman is Mario. Always has been. I'manumber1 (talk) 13:48, October 31, 2021 (EDT) Jumpman is the same guy as Mario. Gandalf (talk) 12:12, March 12, 2023

"Vulgar Tendencies"

Listen, there's just something that strikes me a little odd under the Personality section. There is a moderately long list of "vulgar" actions Mario has taken throughout his portrayals. These include urinating on Yoshi, passing gas, but smack dab in the middle of this list is "cross-dressing several times". Is this referring to his dress in Odyssey? This implies it's some kind of Super Mario Perversion or something and the way it's put right between farting and pissing is just kind of insulting. I know this will be written off as meaningless offence taken by something inconspicuous, but you have to admit the way it's put is insulting and can be taken as transphobic. Mario wears it like any other outfit, how exactly is that vulgar? It's not even displayed as a joke in-game, he's just doing it because he thinks it looks neat. I can't think of any other times he's been drawn in feminine clothing but they were probably just cliche guy-in-women's-clothing jokes, and I can't imagine they'd be canon. --75.185.75.178 21:57, July 26, 2020 (EDT)

I don't know what you’re trying to say, but there is this: [1] Grandet Omate (talk) 22:12, July 26, 2020 (EDT)

That one was unintentional. The actual reference is to the Kodansha Manga, which had him dressing as Sailor Moon characters while dirty jokes are going on, among other things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, July 27, 2020 (EDT)

Okay that's great and all now go ahead and erase it please. I'd think more effort would be put into making this article more professional since it's about the mascot of the entire series but whatever 75.185.75.178 22:24, July 28, 2020 (EDT)

Mario's latest appearance

It says Mario's Most recent appearance was Paper Mario: The Origami King, But actually it was Tetris 99 (TETRIS x Paper Mario: The Origami King event and cameo) (2020)
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Technically Mario already appeared in the game through the SMB and Donkey Kong themes, so a second/third/etc. appearance in the same game doesn't count. Mario JC 02:54, August 2, 2020 (EDT)

Proposal to Add Citation to Mario#Personality

Towards the top of Personality's content (4.1), there's a missing citation. I'm requesting we cite an interview regarding Mario's 20th Anniversary, where Miyamoto provides the uncited information.

Here's the URL: http://shmuplations.com/mario20th/

...and here's a quote from the interview:

—How do you think Mario has become such a big phenomenon?

Miyamoto: I think it was fortuitous that we didn’t put any restrictions on Mario as a character. Normally when you create a character and present him to the world, all the details get filled in: what’s his favorite color? what kind of food does he like to eat? But with Mario, aside from the fact that he’s about 24-25 years old, we didn’t define anything else. The reason why is that we wanted to be able to use Mario in later games, and that wouldn’t work so well if he had characteristics that interfered with a given game’s story. When we make a game we take care not to add incongruencies to that game’s world. With that caveat in mind, I’d like to keep using Mario in future games.

Thanks in advance!

OneShookBoi (talk) 11:43, 29 October 2020 (CST)

Added, thank you! 17:16, October 29, 2020 (EDT)

I'm unable to edit this page myself, sooo...

Since I am still unable to edit Mario's page (I think I was told I had to make 10 edits or something before I could) I still think that "According to the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall,[24] though other life-size merchandise depict Mario as shorter at 122 cm (4 ft) tall.[citation needed]" (as for citations on that, there are multiple - https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m40074925704/ and - https://www.ebay.com/i/163892265533?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dbc1e3505ec894f1e99e9ba8096433bc2%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D193151746661%26itm%3D163892265533%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DNintendo and - https://www.ebay.com/i/193151746661?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28) should not be present on the page. (If you guys REALLY think it's worth taking literally and documenting, I'd say for the least false information spread, that you put it on trivia, or something, but I don't like when this wiki has something wrong, because then people keep spouting it over and over, like, I kept constantly hearing "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" even though I've counted across multiple games that Larry is consistently always shorter than Mario, though how much shorter fluctuates) Because as I've said before, this is the Mario wiki, and it shouldn't be treating those statues like it's Mario's actual height, that's like saying the 3 foot Life Size Pooh Bear plush is Pooh Bear's canon height as well as the 48 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear and the 60 inch Life Size cardboard cutout of Pooh Bear, and then claiming Pooh Bear's height is inconsistent and should not be accounted for (when someone needs Pooh Bear's height to actually have a scale for something that isn't up and down all over the place, like, I don't think the people here understand how that works in game development, you literally need a scale to work with for what I'm doing) for the reason of taking "Life Size" in all that literally. Especially when these - https://gonintendo.com/stories/293589-super-mario-odyssey-director-explains-why-new-donk-city-takes-a-r and - https://gamingbolt.com/super-mario-odyssey-miyamoto-was-worried-about-initial-reaction are much better sources, sure, they never reveal the exact number for Mario's height, but they imply that Mario is likely around the size of Sonic. (And they should be documented on this page) Obviously I'm not asking to document any of my calculations, since they are not official sources, but my calcs on New Donk City - https://ibb.co/RCmmMT4 and there is this, which flat out uses the centimeters in Origami King - https://twitter.com/LarryKoopaBest/status/1290236094911361024/photo/1) And as for Mario and Sonic models, at least the Tokyo 2020, I compared Mario to Sonic making Mario 103.3cm, which is very close to what I calculated with the Monster Fish of the Great Sea (Albeit the Monster Fish of the Great Sea was not a good source of measurement considering the Monster Fish of Shogan Studios using the same fish size and is labelled 300cm instead of 400cm, and the little ones are not to scale with each other, but it's just as bad a source as using the meter count to scale Mario's height, my calcs there are also badly measured too, since I didn't have any exacts to compare) I'm sorry for bothering you guys about this, it bothers me so much, and I guess I can't really let it go. (Due to covid19, I am even more unable to book a flight to Japan to ask Miyamoto what Mario's height is, and probably explain why it matters to me, lol) But the reason this continues to bother me is because of when this wiki spreads false information and people constantly flock to it. Mario's height was never revealed and there should be nothing but those interviews written about it, say, the following interviews with Kenta Motokura and Shigeru Miyamoto imply Mario is a pretty short person, or something... And yes, this bothers me partially because of my own height "Look at Mario, he's on the shorter end of 5 feet tall, just like you! Look at him next to those normal 6 foot people!" and I see Mario in New Donk City half the size of the people. But regardless of my own height, which people that aren't kids over 5 and a half feet couldn't possibly understand, the thing that bothers me more is the spread of misinformation and people constantly flocking to this and game theory when saying my calculations are bad, and I mean, they aren't perfect, but claiming they're terrible cuz I didn't say Mario is five feet cuz this and game theory bothers me so much. (GT mostly)

~ Goldyfish110

He has an "official" height, though. In the games, it's just as inconsistent as anyone else's, but his "base" height used for miscellaneous materials is relatively constant. Also, your message was long enough without going on a random tangent to Mr. Bear. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:26, November 5, 2020 (EST)

To be fair though, that life size adjective was very likely referring to the merchandise being near the height of the child owning it, not a statement that the merchandise is the exact size of Mario. I'd be fine with removing the information about Mario's "canonical" height in feet/centimeters.--Mister Wu (talk) 13:50, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Thank you, that's what I've been trying to say this whole time. They mean "Life Size" in that it is a big size almost the size of the child or whoever that it's made to be around, so it's "Life like" Also, Doc von Schemltwick, what is Mario's "official" height in games? I thought his height was never specified as any number. I do know they make him 1.53 units in Odyssey and 1.60 units in Smash 3DS, and then there are others I haven't specified, but Sonic is officially stated as 1 meter yet he's 1.50 units in Mario and Sonic, if I remember correctly. I also don't think the units should count as centimeters, and just using units for scale doesn't work with trying to scale Mario characters next to non-Mario characters, I'd rather scale non-Mario characters by comparison to Larry himself, who currently I have at a 78.7cm height in my game. However, if you need me to quote the interviews since I saw someone quoting an interview earlier.

Kenta Motokura (talking about New Donk City): I thought that we needed a scale that was easy to understand. Users will wonder how high Mario can jump and how far he can fall. We thought that it would be easier for users to understand and relate to the world in which they actually live. Mario is a strong enough character that he fits in just fine in a realistic environment.

Shigeru Miyamoto (talking about New Donk City): I was worried about how players would react to being in a world where Mario is this tall and normal people are a little bit taller. Or the fact that people don’t get mad at Mario when he’s jumping up and down all over the place. But with all that said, I think I realized that the character Pauline has already existed, and the idea of this game taking place in the city worked out really well. And so we ran with it.

I personally think the following interview answers have more validity as sources to them than the statues do.

--GoldyFish110 (talk) 14:07, November 5, 2020 (EST)

When I said that, I was referring primarily to the materials Nintendo gives to third parties when said third parties develop games, like that one relative height chart. The "official height" and "in the games" were two separate thoughts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:46, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Then again, that is only Mario characters by comparison to each other, and I guess they don't need any particular numbers to make Mario characters by comparison to each other, but Madoka has an officially listed height of 152cm and I was wanting to scale Larry Koopa by comparison to Madoka accurate to the both them. https://youtu.be/jJOEvjtOp3k?t=47 So I hope maybe this helps you understand why I am wanting Mario's height in number, however, the entire time I've been here, I'm really not wanting to debate Mario's height, considering I already have my idea, All I'm asking is that the "Life Size" isn't taken literally and be removed from the page, because it is spreading false information and people flock to it without second thought because I guess that's just how the masses work for some reason. (They kept doing this constantly with "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" until I finally came in and edited it) And I don't think the meter counts or even the Monster Fish of the Great Sea had any thought for scale put into them (Mario and Sonic probably did, however, because of Bowser in Wreck-it Ralph, Miyamoto, I believe, asked that Bowser's height be changed in the Wreck-it Ralph scene he was in) they're just numbers to be displayed on the screen. And for games created by a team, I doubt the whole team knows what Mario's height is nor even cares. But since I'm doing LarryDS mostly alone, I care.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 15:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)

I already agreed to remove it last time you brought this up, if our only available sources are third-party whatevers, so I'm for doing it now. Not sure why it wasn't already. And, again, you seem to be taking this way too personally. He's also the about the same height as Sonic, who is 3'3". 16:38, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Oh yeah, there is that too, but literally all I'm asking is Mario's height (the statues) to be removed. Because the definition of life size in that case isn't literal. And to say Mario is around 5 feet tall doesn't make sense with the interview on why New Donk City was designed to be realistic. Those other things such as Mario and Sonic or Smash Bros or Mario Odyssey can all stay, but the statues should go due to not actually being literal. I'm trying to be as non personal as possible with this response, I hope I'm not being too personal just by saying the statues should go...

Nevermind this whole thing, I was just able to edit the page. I'm sorry for starting this up, I was just being stupid, lol, I guess I am an auto-confirmed user, but I swear it didn't let me save my changes earlier. I'm sorry for all the this conversation and kinda wasting everyone's time, lmao!--GoldyFish110 (talk) 17:15, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Those statues are not a valid reference. As I've said time after time again, Life Size, in this context, is not literal and does not mean the official true height of Mario. What they mean by Life Size is that the size that it is for it's target audience is Life Like in size as it is big, almost like the person that owns it. People are brainless, they're gonna see that number and talk as if it's absolute fact, just like the "Larry is the same size as Princess Peach" thing that came from this wiki, people told me, the Larry fan, that I'm wrong because this wiki said otherwise, despite the fact that what I said is in their faces. (regardless of the "Mario does not have a specified height" you added. I am not satisfied with the current revision. Like I said, if those statues (which Life Size means nothing in them) HAVE to be documented, I'd say trivia, and it should be done alongside every other "Life Size" Mario merch, carefully researched to show that the fluctuation is way bigger than that (Life Size 50cm Mario figure), where it's out of the way, because those statues are called "Life Size" because they're big sized, not because they're supposedly other heights for Mario, is the best place to put it. (I can't believe the Mario wiki can't seem to grasp this simple concept that "Life Size" in this context is not literal) There is so much varying sizes in merchandise that it is simply ridiculous to list all as sources for Mario's height and as "proof" that Mario doesn't have a consistent height. Sure Mario's height isn't super consistent, but "Life Size" merchandise is not a valid source ever, and does not serve as a source for what Mario's height is or how inconsistent Mario's height is, as it is really more consistent than anyone gives it credit for, and the interviews on New Donk City only add to that. How about at LEAST documenting the interviews, and put it right in the physical description saying it implies Mario's height is around the size of Sonic, because that is where the "Life Size" merch is documented, and obviously if I make another edit, then I'm doing something wrong, because statue good because statue say "Life Size" or something.--GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:09, November 5, 2020 (EST)

Out of curiosity, what does the description actually say? Does it specifically say Mario is 150 cm tall or is that just the height of the product? I think we should still mention it, but if the description doesn't actually say that's how tall Mario is, we should reword the description to reflect that. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:00, November 6, 2020 (EST)

The description says "According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[24]" implying that according to the statue, that is how tall Mario is. But I believe it should at least not say "he is 150cm tall" because people are gonna think that is how tall Mario is, and I've gotten into debates over whether or not Larry was the same size as Princess Peach because this wiki claimed he was, even though he is not. Especially with that kind of source, no one really knows if "Life Size" in that context is literal or not, but I'm pretty sure it isn't, and I think it's rather inappropriate to be assuming it's literal without knowing for sure, because people are going to automatically assume it's 100% factual. I also believe that this wiki really should document the two interviews on New Donk City in the physical description saying that they imply Mario is around the size of Sonic or something, and according to Mario and Sonic, Mario is specifically 103.3cm (3ft 4inch tall) however, maybe I got that wrong. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:02, November 6, 2020 (EST)

Do I have permission to change this? I just want to make sure because it continues to bother me being on a wiki page...

Hi, is it okay that I change this

"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. According to an Amazon listing for the height of his life-size figure, he is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. As far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "

Into this

"While Mario is consistently portrayed as a short character, his precise height and proportions vary across media. There is an amazon listing for a statue of Mario that is 150 cm (4 ft 11 in.) tall.[27] Although it says it's "Life Size" it is unclear if they mean it is just a big size by comparison to the buyer so it's life like or if it is actually meant to be Mario's height. Crossover artwork featuring Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog (who stands at 1 m / 3 ft 3 in.) shows Mario at around the same height as him, if not two or three inches shorter due to Sonic's quills. Although when models for Mario and Sonic at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic games are T-posed, Mario is a little bit taller than Sonic. Mario's height relationship with other humans has been varied. Some media, such as Super Mario Odyssey and Mario's Time Machine, show Mario as much shorter than a realistic human, while others, including Mario Golf, the cartoons, and Super Smash Bros., show Mario's height closer relative to other humans. While an interview with Odyssey's Director implies New Donk City was made for scaling Mario and his abilities while another interview with Miyamoto implies that the humans of New Donk City are normal people, this still does not directly confirm what Mario's height is, so as far as in game information or other official materials are concerned, Mario does not have a specified height. "

I know it's probably bothersome to the moderators and admin for me to ask this, but the Mario wiki REALLY can't be going around having information on their pages like the statue claiming to be directly confirmed as actual sources for Mario's height, and it also really should be documenting the interviews as they are actual sources that imply Mario's height, that's the way I see it. No, I'm not trying to be rude, no I'm not trying to be aggravated, no I'm not trying to be personal about it. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 01:12, November 12, 2020 (EST)

Think it's a good idea to condense plot summary

I've condensed the plot summary for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and I just linked for readers more interested in the plot to the main article. Does anyone find this a good way to trim the meat of these kinds of articles? Or should this go through a potential proposal process first? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:14, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I've pretty much done the same thing in Baby Luigi's article, but without the main template. I really don't think you need every single nitty gritty involvement with the plot, just an overview of what they do, what their gameplay quirks are, and anything else. Ray Trace^(T|C) 02:19, November 26, 2020 (EST)

Should this standardization be wiki wide? I can try to run through a proposal if that's needed. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 02:21, November 26, 2020 (EST)

It would definitely be helpful, for sure! GloverMist (talk) 14:22, November 26, 2020 (EST)

Agreed, we don't need to write every single thing a character does throughout the game, especially for major characters like Mario or Bowser who are obviously going to have a lot of information if we go that route. The plot section on the game's page should suffice. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:29, November 26, 2020 (EST)

It is almost like rewriting the plot section of a game page. At best, there should be a brief mention of the plot and Mario's role, while mainly covering his abilities in said game (not going into too much detail about returning abilities however). Also, this page loads a lot slower than most other pages on this wiki. Nightwicked Bowser

Yeah, the page is a bandwidth hog. At some point, we're going to have to split off sections of their articles, Wikipedia-style, because at some point, it's going to be unsustainable to keep everything in one. Ray Trace^(T|C) 14:43, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I think that's definitely going to have to happen for some of these characters at some point. There's more trimming on history sections that can be done to shorten it a little, but Mario obviously appears in nearly every piece of media related to the franchise and it's not going to be getting any smaller. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:47, November 26, 2020 (EST)

(edit conflict) All right. One thing I want to do is make a template, though. In the Superstar Saga section, the content looks like this.

<span style="font-style:italic">For a complete plot summary, see the main article: [[Mario %26 Luigi: Superstar Saga#Story]]</span>

One of my issues is the possible repetitive links to the main page for the plot or if such a template is even needed (but I want to make it clear the plot has much more information in the main page). But yeah I think this does fall right in recommended by policy, so I hope I'm not, like, strong-arming whatever I think is appropriate through.😅

Also, splitting off the page has been suggested by policy itself, see MarioWiki:Article size. However, there's no specific process outlined above when a page gets too long, and the sheer overwhelming size of the page probably makes it a mammoth task, which is probably why there's a contradiction between that policy and these pages. I think the history section would be a contender to get split from the page, but this is an unprecedented move and might require a proposal. We don't have to suggest a specific byte size but there probably is a reasonable range to go through and we could at least show this and other major characters' articles as examples to judge by as well as visible impact on loading time they have. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:55, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I don't think that main template is necessary, since the section would already link to the main game article anyway. Ray Trace^(T|C) 14:59, November 26, 2020 (EST)

I'm not sure if this edit seems like one that matters, but

Is it okay that I change "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was scaled to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment" into "The director of Super Mario Odyssey, Kenta Motokura, stated in an interview that New Donk City was realistic to showcase the extent of Mario's abilities in a realistic environment for a scale that is easy to understand" I feel that my reworded version makes more sense with the interview, because it was the reason why New Donk City was made realistic, not the reason why they scaled the humans and the environment the way they did around Mario. I didn't think my OG interpretation seemed off as it feels similar to the current one, although the current one has better wording, but I feel my reworded thing I came up with is more accurate wording since the current one seems to make it look like they only made Mario short to showcase his abilities more realistically rather than the reason why they made New Donk City realistic was so they can showcase Mario's abilities with an easy to understand scale... All in all, I don't have much problems with the page anymore (other than the fact the statue is still there, however, the wording for referring to the statue is much better than it was before) just think it can be better, but regardless I'm glad the interviews are finally documented. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 20:48, November 29, 2020 (EST)

No one ever talks to me on here unless they have something to fault me for or say I'm in the wrong for and then they'll jump at the chance to tell me I'm wrong for whatever I said, Sorry to bother by asking this again, is my idea of re-wording the interview's part a better way to interpret it? I think it is because the interview didn't explain why they scaled it the way they did, they explained why New Donk City was made to be realistic. If I get no response again, I'll just make the edit and see what happens I guess... --GoldyFish110 (talk) 13:06, December 3, 2020 (EST)

I think it should be fine to change it. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:10, December 3, 2020 (EST)

That's awesome, heheh, I just did, and thanks for letting me know, heheh. --GoldyFish110 (talk) 12:52, December 6, 2020 (EST)

I'll get back to you when I actually measure this at Super Nintendo World, but

I think Super Nintendo World is another source that puts Mario at a shorter than the typical human scale (plus, it's like a better version of the "Life Size" statue source, which I don't think meant literally, but this could be taken the same way) so for Mario's height being unspecified, I think Super Nintendo World could be documented. (I'd say whenever we have a definitive answer on how big the blocks are in Super Nintendo World, so probably not now, I want to go with a measuring tape, lmao!) --GoldyFish110 (talk) 02:39, December 19, 2020 (EST)

I edited the comment above to remove my Twitter link because I just realized this is probably why I'm getting so many people harassing me on Twitter over Mario supposedly being 155cm that Nintendo apparently confirmed it... Not saying the people who exist here are horrible, just people who happen to view the Mario wiki which is probably a lot of people... But while yeah, Super Nintendo World is probably a horrible source, so is the statue, using Super Nintendo World as a "source" is like using the statues... I'll add several imgbblinksinsteadfor all I want to link on this wiki from now on, nothing from my Twitter anymore... I hope anyone understands my reasoning for that although I highly doubt anyone here cares, lmao! But I linked screenshots of the four foot plush and 50cm figure, the 50cm figure, although labelled "Life Size" is unrealistic, but does anyone want to document the four foot plush just for the heck of it since the 150cm (4'11") statue is on here? --GoldyFish110 (talk) 22:46, December 27, 2020 (EST)

New Apparence in a game

I cannot edit the page, but I want to say Mario and others Nintendo characters appears in Super Fighters M All Stars, released on mobile in 2020.

90.4.136.102 07:05, December 27, 2020 (EST)

That's not an official game, that's an app that steals assets from Nintendo games without permission. Mario JC 07:30, December 27, 2020 (EST)

Vulgar Nonsense

Where the heck did anyone get that vulgar nonsense? Please provide some proof or it will be deleted. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:05, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

Just to be clear by the way I'm talking about the Satellaview magazine section as that's the only thing in this article that doesn't have official references or proof. I'manumber1 (talk) 14:12, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

No proof? Then it should be deleted immediately. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:39, November 10, 2021 (EST)

The sources can be found on the Shitamachi Ninjō Gekijō article. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:44, November 10, 2021 (EST)

P3 & P4

I don't know if this is the place to ask this but should I create articles for P3 & P4 from the Mario Bros. remake present in M&L SS and all the Mario Advance games? I know you could say there's not enough info on them but they are playable and are officially named. My source is https://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/157350665210/sprites-of-the-two-additional-brothers-from-the.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by I'manumber1 (talk).

Don't think so, imo. This is like making the colored Luigis from Luigi's Mansion their own articles. Keep in mind that I'm also not quite fond of junior II's article either, memed as it may be. Ray Trace^(T|C) 16:44, January 1, 2022 (EST)

Well this is different. All the Luigi's don't have names. These two do. I don't know if that makes much of a difference but I just wanted to get that out there. I'manumber1 (talk) 19:32, January 1, 2022 (EST)

I agree with Ray Trace, they look like they were just created to be palette swaps for additional players which would be too minor of a subject to have an article for. Nightwicked Bowser 19:59, January 1, 2022 (EST)

Is the Mario page still not well put together?

So i was scrolling throught the disscusion page on Mario and while scrolling i noticed quite few people saying that the Mario page was not "great". Like for example the history page having tons of grammatical errors. Now of course these disscusions are sort of old but anyways, is the Mario page fixed now or does it still have errors?

I mean... I did notice ONE error, that being how on the appearence page, Mario Party Superstars is not present
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadic 34 (talk).

I've probably given the history section quite a few proofreading sweeps over my long stay at this wiki. I don't think the grammar errors are as present as before, and the most constant pressing issue for this page is the history section: mammoth coverage that's likely not complete as well as some unnecessary story details from the MaRPGs. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:00, January 19, 2022 (EST)

Jumpman only in Japanese Donkey Kong?

If I remember correctly, Mario is only called Jumpman in official Donkey Kong arcade cabinets and ports in Japan. Should the article be changed to reflect this?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.56.161.47 (talk).

No, Jumpman was used only in the English language arcade instructions (and its Arcade Archives re-release instructions). They were printed before he was officially named "Mario" in the American arcade flyer. In the Japanese arcade instructions, he is a nameless player character simply known as the "player"「プレイヤ」. He was still the nameless "rescue man" in the Japanese instructions for the Game & Watch version which came out in June 1982. Two months later, Nintendo of Japan used Mario when they released Donkey Kong Jr., which made it official in all locations.--Platform (talk) 08:55, November 9, 2022 (EST)

Article size policy

• MarioWiki:Article size

"The section then remains on the original article, the {{main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "

Shouldn't we be making an article titled History of Mario? It's spelled right there in our example! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 01:00, November 11, 2022 (EST)

It's about time that we started splitting off these massive history sections, let's do it. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:40, January 27, 2023 (EST)

Support! -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:51, January 27, 2023 (EST)

All right. What do you think should be changed for this new page? Maybe readd the images I removed back? Maybe we can have more plot details? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:04, January 27, 2023 (EST)

Something closer to pre-trim is probably the way to go, since that information was only reduced in the first place because of the article's length. I still think we should be more selective with images though, since there can be a tendency to go overboard with them which just doesn't look nice if there's not enough text there. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:08, January 27, 2023 (EST)

Proper Catchphrase for Mario

I believe that a more proper catchphrase at the top of the page would be "Let's-a go!" from Super Mario 64. Mario uses this phrase way more often, and I don't remember Mario ever saying "It's-a me" outside of Super Mario 64 releases. But what do you guys think? TomAndTheCats (talk) 17:52, February 2, 2023 (EST)

Mario says "It's-a me" in Battle League, one of the latest Mario games. He also says "It's-a me, Mario" or "It's-a me" in Mario Tennis 64, Mario Teaches Typing 2, Mario Super Sluggers (when calling to plants), Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, and when he gets a Double Cherry in Super Mario 3D World! Wario even riffs on it saying "It's a Wii, Wario" for a Wii-related WarioWare game. That's likely not an exhaustive list but "It's-a me, Mario" is uniquely Mario; a lot of other characters do say "Let's go". That's not to say "Let's-a go" is a bad choice, but I just think "It's-a me" is better. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:14, February 2, 2023 (EST)

Early sources for Mario's occupations

An overwhelming amount of Japanese websites believe Mario became established as a plumber in the 1993 American live-action film. According to them, the character's occupation simply varied from game to game and he was more of a generic everyman hero before the movie. So I went over a lot of the early official materials in Japanese and English. In Japan, Donkey Kong for the arcade had a threadbare description. The anonymous player character needs to rescue Lady from Kong. That's it. It was the American flyer that presented Mario his name and occupation as a carpenter. While the Famicom port uses Mario's name, there is no mention of him being a carpenter. The Japanese weren't aware he was ever a carpenter until much later through staff interviews.

Contrary to popular belief, Mario Bros. did not make him a plumber. The brothers are simply removing pests from their home's pipes. Mario was still described as a carpenter in Atari's MB manuals. The closest reference is in the back of the 1986 NES port's box which describes them as "plumbing", but does not explicitly state that it is their profession. It seems more of a case of home repair than paid labor.

The earliest source I could find is not in a game but from official media. The American Super Show! from 1989 unambiguously makes the brothers professional plumbers with their own company. This explains the crux of the divide. While Japan and the US share the same corpus of mainline games, official media is almost entirely segregated. Japan has its anime and manga, while the US has its comics, cartoons, and activity books which were exported to many countries but not to Japan. The characters' personalities are markedly different from each side of the Pacific. In the West, the heroes are sanitized E for Everyone but in Japan they can be crass and vulgar. For example, manga Peach can get extremely violent, jealous, and petty. This can be witnessed in the audio drama of BS Super Mario USA and Collection. The 1993 film was one of the few instances that crossed the cultural gap and introduced the concept that they are professional plumbers to Japan.

If you can find an earlier source stating Mario as a plumber, please let us know.--Platform (talk) 13:37, April 22, 2023 (EDT)

Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT)

There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT)

I see. I know that later material does more firmly establish this fact, but I was wondering how early the whole "Mario is a plumber" part happened. The discussion above suggests that the film is first to establish this, so I was asking for any material that possibly predates this movie claiming that. Mario is a plumber rather than just every day hero. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not sure, honestly. I think it was one of those things the American translators came up with (given it was established as early as Mario Bros.) and Japan decided to adopt later. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 11:02, May 11, 2023 (EDT)

Nintendo Power issue 6 page 19Media:Nintendo Power issue 6 image 1.png calls Mario a plumber in regards to SMB2. That pushed it back to a few months before the Super Show!.--Platform (talk) 07:17, May 14, 2023 (EDT)

We do have artwork of Mario and Luigi as plumbersMedia:MB_Mario_and_Luigi_with_Plumbing_Supplies_Artwork.jpg, the problem is when this was drawn. The specific scan is from a year 1993 rerelease, while in terms of Japanese material I saw it in the year 1994 Super Mario Bros. Daizukan, but it might have been an earlier artwork. In any case it is referred to the original Mario Bros., so the idea that they were plumbers there was definitely around. Actually, this year 2010 interview is pretty telling:

Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian.

So, according to Miyamoto, Mario was indeed intended to be a plumber in Mario Bros..—-Mister Wu (talk) 10:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)

That's besides the point. While Mario was intended to be a plumber during the development of MB, if nothing was published to the general public (that I'm aware of), no one would know what his job was. Atari still called him a carpenter in their MB ports. What I'm looking for is the earliest official sources stating that he is a plumber to the public. So far, I've pushed it back to mid-'89.--Platform (talk) 11:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT)

Mario's Species

I thought Mario's species was confirmed to be "Homo Nintendous", why is it labeled as human? I'manumber1 (talk) 03:29, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Do you have a source for that? He's referred to as a human in the movie at least, can't remember other exact instances. Nightwicked Bowser 04:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

"Homo Nintendous" was a one-off joke from a non-retail character manual from the late 80s-early 90s, not a serious indication that he wasn't a human. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:01, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, it was just a joke, well-then I guess he should continue to be called Human then. I'manumber1 (talk) 16:28, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

Mario's species is Mario It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:16, June 8, 2023 (EDT)

New Image

Should we update the character image with the file:///MarioSMBW.png one?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).

We'll do that when the game releases. Nightwicked Bowser 21:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, but which one? The one I mentioned above of him holding the wonder flower, or the one of him jumping? I’m thinking we should use the latter for the Super Mario (form) page.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violetmushroom (talk).

The one without the Wonder Flower should be the one used here, you may want to look at Template:Character infobox. Nightwicked Bowser 11:03, October 14, 2023 (EDT)

Disambiguation page

So I was editing pages, as one does, and I realize that I accidentally added a page to the meta category "articles with too many about links." I fix it, realise the Dash page is in said category, suggest to add a disambiguation page for that, the page is created, all is well. But then I realized that this article was on the page. Not good. Now, I know it was removed from that meta category, but this article still fits said criteria. Such is why I propose the idea of making a Mario disambiguation page: include the links to Super Mario (franchise), Mario (film character), Baby Mario and the character from The Super Mario Bros. Movie, if he ever gets added or not. That way, we can have the disambiguation page, and keep the "'Jumpman' redirects here" section, as the criteria for the meta category is to have more than 3 about links. --JoeCool (talk) 12:42, October 16, 2023 (EDT)

Is the Super Mario Bros. Movie set in the same world as the games?

Because on Mario's page it uses Mario reuniting with Luigi in the movie as an example of their family bond. Isn't the movie set in a different canon than the games? And yes, I'm aware the Mario series doesn't have an official canon. I think. -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 14:18, November 12, 2023 (EST)

You answered your own question. There is no canon, so everything "is canon", meaning the wiki treats the Mario movie the same way it treats any other Mario media. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:21, November 12, 2023 (EST)

Yeah, so if the movie shows an example, we document it. How we decide to cover it is dependent on how illustrative it is. The movie's entire plot is based on Mario's rescuing Luigi so I think it's a good example to support a summary of their relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:40, November 12, 2023 (EST)

Oh, okay! For some reason I didn't realize that. Good to know! -- FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) 22:22, November 12, 2023 (EST)

Role Section

I was thinking about adding a role section to the "List of game appearances" section that indicates what role he played in each game, like as a playable character or an antagonist or a non-playable character or a protagonist and stuff like that.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wonderman23 (talk).

I encourage it! The list of game appearances needs an overhaul to fit other character pages, see Princess Daisy. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:41, December 2, 2023 (EST)

I'm seeing the edits. Thank you very much for working on it. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 17:53, December 2, 2023 (EST)

Add rowspanning to the List of appearances section?

Should I add rowspanning to the table in List of appearances? So many rows have the same text so it would make the table look more organized.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

Header text	Header text	Header text
Example	Example	Example
Example
Example	Example

Would this be worth doing, or is the section fine how it currently is? Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 07:23, December 3, 2023 (EST)

No, because it would end up looking like this chart on the right. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 07:40, December 3, 2023 (EST)

No, I don't recommend rowspanning. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:38, December 4, 2023 (EST)

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When editing on this talk page, please remember to sign your edits with [[User:Your user name|Your user name]], {{User|Your user name}}, ~~~, or ~~~~. "However if a baby Waluigi doesnt appear soon, it will be clear cut proof that Waluigi is indeed Foreman Spike." And this is logical . . . how? Sure, they have the same nose, but, one look and you can tell they're not the same. Waluigi's a skinny, tall guy. Foreman Spike is this fat slob. Waluigi Freak 99 17:40, 28 August 2006 (EDT) This is true.HK-47w4z h3R3 at 17:47, 28 August 2006 (EDT) I think it should be noted that Foreman Spike resembles Wario more than he does resemble Waluigi. --Triforce of PowerFile:Mlsswario.PNGIt's-a-Wii,Wario! 16:20, 5 January 2008 (EST) well waluigi has many references to foreman spike like Mario kart ds when he has a truck that looks like his and ddr Mario mix his theme is from wrecking crew-rickmaster Collaboration (10/28 to 11/11) Talk about anything with other users working on the collaboration here. :) Wa TC@Y 23:15, 28 October 2006 (EDT) Quote We should cite where the quote came from, right by the speaker's name (just like in the Bowser article). -- Son of Suns Wario World's inside handbook, You guys know how he talks in his guides WarioLoaf (talk) Images No offense, but I think there are a bit too many images than the article needs here. -- Sir Grodus That's the gallery. I can clean the article images, though. WarioLoaf (talk) Daisy has too much images as well. I say all of the Big Eight character shoulds get a giant gallery. Paper Jorge I'll work on that WarioLoaf (talk) I'm not sure if a gallery of images is legal. Images are supposed to be used to enhance the information in the article, to provide a visual representation to help our understanding. There must be commentary. I believe a bunch of images in a gallery is a violation of copyright law. -- Son of Suns Untrue, my uncle's an atterny. He knows the inns and outs of Copyrights. This Wiki is based off of hundreds of Copy righted characters (Mario, Wario , Luigi, Boo, ect). The Gallerey represents the various looks of the Purple Plumber for the last decade or so. It's nothing illegal. WarioLoaf (talk) For once, SoS, I think you're in the wrong here. Galleries give readers even more insight on, in this case, Wario's appearances and roles in the different variety of games he's included in. A gallery like this should be done for all of the Big Eight. Wa TC@Y 22:21, 8 December 2006 (EST) I agree with Warioloaf and Wayoshi. You are wrong SoS. O_o First time you're wrong right? Paper Jorge To tell everyone, yes all the big eight is GONNA GET A GALLERY. just I've been real busy with the Piantas, Mario sunshine, and Mario Kart stuff WarioLoaf (talk) I'm justing getting my info from the wiki's character image policy: This image is an illustration of a character in a video game, comic book, or animated television program or film. The copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher/producer and/or artist(s) producing the work in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of character artwork for commentary on the character in question qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. If we can legitimately argue that the image is being used for commentary on the character, then we can keep the gallery. However, does a gallery provide commentary? -- Son of Suns It comments on how the character is presented in other games and in which games the character appears in. Wa TC@Y 17:23, 10 December 2006 (EST) Same here, dude. It practicly shows Wario's carreir turn-about. From Hard hat and long sleeves to Bowler cap and short sleeves. let it go. WarioLoaf (talk) Okay. Cool. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the copyright policy and that the community feels we are obeying that policy. -- Son of Suns Well, it was a responsible thing you brought it up :) WarioLoaf (talk) You keep saying that I am a great member in this community, but you never credit yourself. This was a good argument to bring up. ^_^ Wa TC@Y 18:04, 10 December 2006 (EST) The last time I looked at the article, there was an image of Baby Wario on Light Blue Yoshi; now it's gone. Super Griffin (talk) 08:43, 16 February 2017 (EST) Trophy Info I've copied down the information from Wario's trophy in SSB:M. Where should I put it? Usually, I'd just put it where ever I felt like, but since this is a Big Eight article, I thought I'd ask first. Wanderingshadow 12:02, 19 December 2006 (EST) You need to create a new section in Games for the SSB series. Then, put it. It's a good thing that you asked this time. Wa TC@Y 15:04, 19 December 2006 (EST) Plus, no matter if it's a Big Eight Article, put the info down and we can work to fit it in with the pattern of images and such WarioLoaf (talk) Vote for quote As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. --KPH2293 16:34, 1 February 2007 (EST) Option 1 “It's-a Wii! Wario!” —Wario, WarioWare: Smooth Moves Option 2 “So admit it..... Don't I look cool in the game screens? Those long, muscular legs on my sturdy toned frame.... I'm the perfect specimen of a man..... What!?!? You say I look fat and my quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab? Shut up! That's just because you have your television set up on widescreen display!” —Wario, Wario World Option 1 It worked for mario. - Hyper Mushroom That's a classic quote from SM64, however. Wario copying it in Smooth Moves doesn't seem right. Wa TC@Y 17:10, 2 February 2007 (EST) Option 2 Quote 2 tells more about Wario's character from the gecko than Quote 1. Wa TC@Y 15:02, 1 February 2007 (EST) Per Wayoshi. --KPH2293 16:33, 1 February 2007 (EST) Same as above. YoshiFan 22:45, 2 February 2007 (EST)YoshiFan This quote I always found funny. lol. pain to write, though. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 00:59, 3 February 2007 (EST) Kinda long but better... User:Knife/sig1 Way funnier and original Plumber, Sorry Wario, my TV is on skinnyscreen. I'm all for lenghy quotes. ;D This one's more original, and shows off who Wario is. I prefer it. :) (And, I only just got why Quote #1 was funny. xD It's-a Lii! Luigi hc! See, not original. ;P) ~ Luigi hc I like the second quote better, even it is kind of long... --Triforce of PowerFile:Mlsswario.PNGIt's-a-Wii,Wario! Per Wayoshi.--Smileymiley5001 13:49, 16 May 2011 (EDT) just sounds better. TheWho Loves Dots... Expandment Requirements For it to be a FA Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page Quality of writing is low. Grammar needs major work. Need to figure out if Wario hired Tatanga to kidnap Daisy. We need to detail Wario’s battles in Super Mario Land 2. Game sections in the biography can be expanded and clarified. What are some of the gameplay mechanics related to Wario, what’s the story, etc. Settings and items need to be clarified: where did Wario go in Wario Land II?; what kind of statue did Wario acquire in Wario Land? The Wario Land 4 section does not even name the Final Boss! There are just too many holes in the biographies. It needs a major rewriting. Wario World section needs to be greatly expanded, as well as WarioWare titles (some are not even named). “You”s need to be removed. Powers and abilities can be expanded. Key Relationships should be expanded (such as Mario and Waluigi) while others (like DK, Bowser, Peach, etc.) should be removed. -- Son of Suns Ditto. It needs a lot of cleanup and has a lot of misspellings... which I corrected here. This isn't good enough to be featured yet. --TheYellowDart—(T/C) 20:13, 7 April 2007 (EDT) And too many images. It sandwiches text, a lot of these images are extraneous, and it's too hard on 56kers. - A Link to the Past 00:53, 10 May 2007 (EDT) May I also add that most of the images lack both a source and an explanation as to why they are necessary? For instance, the Wario Blast one - I see nothing to say why it can be used or why it needs to be used, and even though it obviously came from somewhere, its origin is a mystery. - A Link to the Past 00:56, 10 May 2007 (EDT) They are there to give an image description to readers who are more visual learners. Plumber And they lack source and any good reason why we need those exact images. Oh, wow, the Wario Blast image tells the reader that... um, Wario looks exactly the same as he usually does. Very informative. Excessive image count + no reason for many of the images + no source for the images (which is implied as claiming ownership of the images) = remove many of the images. - A Link to the Past 04:28, 11 May 2007 (EDT) Please bring up any other comments on the FA Nomination Page Vote For Main Image Normal wario.jpg Option 1 Option 2 Option 1 Option 2 XzelionETC KPH2293 Even thought I like option 1 better, this one show Wario greedy nature. Gofer, who think the Mario Party 8 artwork stink. Glitchman (talk · contribs) No voting was really needed, we use the current main artwork as main images anyway. --WarioLoaf (talk) 21:46, 9 June 2007 (EDT) SSBB Pics Does anyone think that we have too many SSBB Pics of Wario on this page? I think we should only have one pic of him in SSBB (Excluding Official Art). Anyone else think so? My Bloody Valentine I would also like to point out my comment at Princess Daisy regarding Notable Screenshots sections. Because not all screenshots are notable. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:17, 22 August 2007 (EDT) Mario and Wario, cousins? When I fist joined I read the Wario article. It said that Wario and Mario were cousins, and it was confirmed by NOE. Now I can't see this info anymore. Was it true? Why did it got deleted? Shrooby The Wario fan here wanna know. -sigh- Oh boy. Mario and Wario were cousins in a nintendo power comic. This may have been removed because the comics aren't canon, but Mario barely has an understandable canon, so who knows whats canon or not. Canon should just be shot from a cannon. |:( GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · Your face is a {{SUBST:pagename}}! Top Quote Why has the top quote been changed to a much shorter one? Before the change, there was a much longer quote, which was even voted for on this talk page. The long one really tells more about Wario's character than the current one. --Grandy02 09:20, 3 June 2008 (EDT) Plumber? Has it ever been explicitly stated that Wario's a plumber? Or are people just assuming he is because he's Mario's "evil twin"-type rival, and dresses like Mario (wearing overalls does not make you a plumber). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Wario ever doing anything plumbing-related... - Walkazo 19:59, 22 December 2008 (EST) Not to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps people are thinking of his "appearance" in "Plumbers Academy," where a character slightly resembling him was going to school to be a plumber, but even if that was Wario, that doesn't prove that he IS a plumber. Stumpers! 18:59, 23 December 2008 (EST) Okay, that's what I figured too (dunno why I didn't mention "Plumbers Academy" in my first post, though). Anyway, thanks for your imput! - Walkazo 19:27, 23 December 2008 (EST) Image The image that was shown as MP5 (until I corrected it) is actually from MP4. Could someone please get an image from MP5? Transcript 00:47, 8 February 2009 (EST) quote change The quote has been changed.... Was this decided anyware? I personally think the last one showed more about the character of wario, and this ones way too long. Should I change it back? Luigfreak Mai talk Creator of Wario As much as I admire the work of Gunpei Yokoi, but where was it stated that he created Wario (plus Daisy and Pit)? He was the producer of SML2, but this doesn't mean he created Wario, the Samus character was also not created by Yokoi, even if he produced the original Metroid. --Grandy02 09:13, 2 July 2009 (EDT) I'm not sure if IGN is a reputable source, but according to them, Hiroji Kiyotake designed Wario (Second paragraph, second sentence). --Knife (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2009 (EDT) In most cases IGN is reputable I think. But what you mentioned is already known for sure. In the article on Hiroji Kiyotake, the staff credits of WarioWare, Inc. are cited, which list his name under "Original Wario Design." However, my question is about the creator, who is not necessary also the character's designer. The article says Gunpei Yokoi, but I haven't found a reliable source. If there isn't any, we have to live with the fact that the name of the creator of Wario, Daisy and Pit has just not been confirmed so far. --Grandy02 17:15, 16 October 2009 (EDT) What makes you the creator of Wario, then? --Zelderu Maryoto 21:37, 19 December 2009 (EDT) Basically the person who thought up Wario. The designer, Kiyotake in this case, is not necessarily the creator, as he could also have made a character design based on the more or less detailed instructions of the character's creator, whoever that was. --Grandy02 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST) Wario Waft In Brawl, is that affected by eating food? Purplebackpack89 18:55, 18 November 2009 (EST) Nope. Hello, I'm Time Turner. Wario and Mona? Wait what? Wario and Mona have a romantic interest? Where's that stated?I know it wasen't stated in WWTouched and WWTwisted, the first warioware game and warioware diy.Count Bonsula I need blood... Mona's Mega Party Game$! profile states "For some reason, she's a little smitten with Wario." And in one of the break scenes of Wario's second stage in the first WarioWare, Inc., Wario dreams of Mona and says "How cute" or something. Well, this is basically all I know about this "romantic interest." --Grandy02 13:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC) Quote to long I think the quote is to long. there must be a shorter one for the top of the page... The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk). It may be long, but it fits the character's personality. Also, please sign your comments.Count Bonsula I need blood... New Wario image? In the newest issue of Nintendo Power under an article about famous videogame couples, they had a sidebar with dateless gaming stars with an image of Wario that I have never seen before. The picture was of Wario reclining on his side picking his ear with his finger. The render however seems to be a recent CGI image of Wario more than likely from the recent games due to the quality and model. Does anyone have a large image of it anywhere and if so, do they know which game it was from? I have scoured the internet and my vast Mario library at home looking for some information.--Lord Robotnik 22:50, 20 January 2011 (EST) Could you scan this image and post it here? --Reversinator 13:51, 16 May 2011 (EDT) Wario World Quote In Wario's quote in the game Wario World for the Gamecube I say..he looks fat and his quadruple chin looks like a waterfall of flab! MEGAMUSHROOM82 Super Cute Toad paper mario badge Wario make a very small cameo in Paper mario ttyd. The w-emblem badge allows mario dress up as wario. That is an obious reference to wario. World 6 21:03, 28 September 2012 (EDT) superstar saga, another appearence i'm not sure, because anyone can make an internet page, but... http://sm128c.com/april2005/ It's fake. The sprite here is from Wario Land 4. Shokora (talk · edits) 07:19, 16 March 2013 (EDT) Yup, it's fake. Actually, Wario was about to be a cameo and he even has his own sprite, which further makes the information fake. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:20, 17 March 2013 (EDT) The website even says "April Fools Day", so... Ray Trace(T|C) partners in time (cameo) in PIT, Mario and Luigi are brought aboard, where Toadsworth disregards their story, thinking that they were not right in the head. The heroes, both past and present, then witness what has happened to Peach's Castle. It has been turned into Shroob Castle, with a giant Princess Shroob statue in the center. Mario and the others in the Koopa Cruiser.Suddenly, a figure appears above the Koopa Cruiser. It is Princess Shroob, who launches a missile at them, taking down their engine. while this is happening, the upper- screen flashes red, and luigi and baby luigi get, while the screen is red, a yellow cap and a purple shirt, what references to wario. a example for this is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNjduIAHxg at 8:02 Introduction sentence Was seeing this on the main page and am thinking the first sentence of this article could use some rewriting, though I don't want to mess with it due to the featured status. It seems clumsy with two clauses starting with "and" in a row (mayhap it can be split into two sentences?) and isn't clear on the character's status as an anti-hero (it first implies it as his core role, then contradicts itself in stating that he is only "occasionally an anti-hero" later in the same sentence).--vellidragon (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2013 (EDT) Profiles and Statistics page I'm adding this here because if I add this to the Profiles and Statistics page it won't be seen. For some reason, on that page, nearly everything is italicized; everything except the title and the opening sentence. All of the parts that shouldn't be italicized (headers, character names) are in italics, and even the article, discussion, edit, history, move, watch, and user panel parts are italicized! I'm not sure who to direct this to so I'm just writing this here instead. MarioComix (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2014 (EDT) The Super Mario Bros Super Show I heard something stating that Wario and Waluigi were actually in The episode Plumbers academy. Was it really Wario and Waluigi, or was it just a Wario and Waluigi look alike. I'm not sure if it was them or not can someone confirm ? About Wario Stealing Koopa's Kart in MK64 The article states that Wario is said to have stolen Koopa Troopa's kart in the MK64 instruction manual. But I've been looking through the manual over and over again and I can't see anything about Koopa Troopa or his stolen kart anywhere. So where exactly is this information stated? Did I miss it somehwow? Or is it in a different region's manual? Or maybe it was actually in a players guide? Whatever the case, I think this bit of information should be cited. Buddy Christ (talk) I swear I removed that one before. Anyway, I've checked copies of both the NA and PAL manual and neither of them state such a thing, so I removed it. If that information is added back, it better be sourced. --Glowsquid (talk) 20:52, 18 October 2014 (EDT) Out of curiosity, I went through the history and found that it was added back in January... of 2007. Here's the particular revision, and as far as I can tell, it's always been there. Hello, I'm Time Turner. It is in the Nintendo Power Magazine article that we can see that he stole the kart of a Koopa Troopa, as you can se here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvBF-CDXMAE30Ae?format=jpg&name=large The preceding unsigned comment was added by 176.165.136.20 (talk). That quote is WAY too long Yeah, I'm going to change the quote to something a LOT little shorter. No it isn't: First: A quote isn't determined by length, but by how much it represents charecter. Its ok to have long quote, but it has to represent him. It's good. And you can't just change a quote without agreement (TPP) I think.Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2014 (EST) The "Every Copy of SM64 is personalized" rumor. Should we mention the Wario Apparation rumor or not? I understand Wikipedias do not add rumors, but would a mention in the Trivia section count as addable? - Bowser64 (Talk - Sandbox) 19:50, October 30, 2021 (EDT) It's more of a meme than an actual rumor and we don't really talk about that. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:53, October 30, 2021 (EDT) I see. - Bowser64 (Talk - Sandbox) 19:55, October 30, 2021 (EDT) It probably belongs in this article though. Ray Trace(T|C) 19:56, October 30, 2021 (EDT) Errors under certain sections Under Mario Tennis's "Mario Tennis" subheading, Wario is described as having 'long sleeves despite that in his artwork and the game's title screen, he is shown wearing long sleeves' which is incorrect and makes no sense. Wario has short sleeves in-game, but the cover art depicts him with long sleeves, which is what I believe the author was trying to say. Under Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's subheading "Classic Mode", there is a spelling error: 'siganture' instead of the word 'signature'. I can't edit these so I'm posting them here for someone who can. Thanks. K1NGSH0RTIE The corrections have been applied. Thank you! It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:31, April 22, 2023 (EDT) Primary image Wario has two main outfits: the "plumber" outfit used in the Super Mario franchise and most Wario Land games, and the "biker" outfit used in the WarioWare and Smash Bros. series. The standard practice for primary images on this wiki is to use official artwork from the most recently-released game that uses the character's main design (without any game-specific outfit or aesthetic differences). However, for Wario in particular, there is a strong argument to be made that the "biker" outfit is one of his main designs. My question is: should Wario's WarioWare design be considered a primary-enough design to allow its use as the main image for the article? Does WarioWare: Get It Together! (2021) count as a more recently-released game than Super Mario Party (2018) with official art that doesn't have any game-specific design details? If not, why not? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:03, March 30, 2024 (EDT) The WarioWare design appears to be series specific which we generally don't use for infobox images. It's also why we don't use King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design for his infobox image, even when Luigi's Mansion 3 was his latest appearance. Nightwicked Bowser 16:27, March 30, 2024 (EDT) Well, it's mostly series-specific. It is also used in Smash as his default outfit, and appears in Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World as costumes. Regardless, that does make sense. The "plumber" design is used in a wider variety of Mario media, so I suppose it is reasonable to prioritize it for that reason. Thanks for clearing that up! jan Misali (talk · contributions) 16:37, March 30, 2024 (EDT) I would say this could be worthy of something like the Thwomp proposal, because I do think both designs are about equally important to Wario as a character.— Lady Sophie (T|C) 18:45, March 30, 2024 (EDT) I kinda agree with LadySophie. While Wario's overalls design is the most common and notable appearance, his biker appearance is just as noteworthy and important to his character. King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design I could also say is in a similar boat, maybe to a lesser extent, as it's not nearly as frequent as the main design, but even that feels notable enough to King Boo's character portrayal in Luigi's Mansion. Regardless, a proposal concerning such things doesn't sound like a bad idea. Tails777 Talk to me! I would say the plumber one takes priority and the WarioWare outfit, while important, doesn't come close to the visibility of the overalls outfit that it needs to be in the infobox too. Thwomp's case has been generally going back and forth pretty freely; this one is more primary-secondary. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) and now it's long! This is not a forum for discussions about Sandbox. Please ensure all comments are related to improving this article because questions such as "Who is your favorite character/team/area in this game?" are not allowed and will be removed on sight. Please use the Mario Boards or our Discord server to talk about Sandbox. When editing on this talk page, please remember to sign your edits with [[User:Your user name|Your user name]], {{User|Your user name}}, ~~~, or ~~~~. 'Negative' Impact I recently added to the abilities section a mention on the Negative Zone final smash and its possible corelation to his becoming Mr. L in SPM. But I just now found it to be removed. If someone could tell me if it is because it is merely a theory, or if it was because of something else, that'd be helpful. User:BoomOfThe4thWall it's just a theory, otherwise the game would mention it somewhere. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk). Age Is it possible that Mario and Luigi are twins, but Mario is older by X minutes? HK Yes. It's possible. --Son of Suns 13:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT) Im just thinking that that is how is they how they are twins, AND one is older. (This previously unsigned comment was made by HK-47.) Well, the Mario games don't exactly have perfect continuity. For one thing, Shy Guys, Bob-ombs, and Birdos were both dreams in SMB2, but they're real in other games. (Most likely, Mario knew about them before his dream, and that's why he dreamed about them.) For this one, the theories are that: a) Baby Mario & Baby Luigi are different from Mario & Luigi. Highly unlikely. b) Mario's older by a few minutes. More likely. c) Nintendo retconned the info seen in Yoshi's Island, or forgot all about it when they described Luigi as the younger. Likely, but not as likely as B. So, either B or C. Waluigi Freak 99 14:45, 9 September 2006 (EDT) Well, Mario did encounter those enemies as a baby in Yoshi's Island, so it is logical that he would dream about them. Also, Nintendo did retcon Yoshi's Island in the GBA release. In the beginning of the game, instead of refering to Mario and Luigi as twins (like in SNES version), Mario and Luigi are simply called brothers. -- Son of Suns Funny how people don't realise that twins can't be born at the exact same time. Of course one is older than the other. It can be by minutes or hours. - Yoshi Master It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:56, 7 November 2011 (EST) In my opinion, I think Nintendo made a mistake when they said they were twins. Paper Jorge I think so too. In the Japanese games, it clearly states Mario is older that Luigi, and most likely not twins. Marcelagus (T • C • E) And then there is every game out there that retcons what you just said. Angry Sun 15:00, 13 May 2007 (EDT) I think... That if they were teins they would be called the mario twins... User:Remiel If you had a twin, wouldn't he still be your brother? Mumbles 23:48, 7 June 2008 (EDT) I will believe what Luigi's trophy states in SSBB: "Mario's YOUNGER TWIN brother..." WK OMG I don't really care because Luigi ROX! The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessDaisyROX (talk). In Yoshi's Island, they were carried by the stork at the same time, so they probably are twins. Mario certainly is some minutes older than Luigi. I think in one of the episodes of "The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3", Luigi says it. --Xeze 13:43, 21 November 2008 (EST) Mario is about 27. Luigi is about 25. Luigi is the younger one. --Jayt55 16:38, 30 November 2008 (EST) At the end of Chapter 7-1 in Super Paper Mario, Luvbi says to Tippi "Dost thou pine for yonder hairy twins?" But then again, I just watched one episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and they celebrate Luigi's birthday without celebrating Mario's. WK In Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, a character who did not no them referred to them as "middle-aged." Stumpers! 23:17, 1 December 2008 (EST) I always thought Mario is 31 and Luigi is 28. So that would mean Mario is older than Luigi by a few years. But Mario just seems older to me for some reason. User:Lemmy Koopa Fan It doesn't seem like they could be twins. BulletBill 12:57, 7 November 2011 (EST) I always thought that Mario & Luigi were twins, and that Mario was older by 30 minuets. Plus, Super Mario BROS sounds better than Super Mario TWINS, so they probably are twins and not just bros. Plus they look almost exactly the same. Even though they're bros they wouldn't look THAT closely alike unless they were twins! --Girls rule, for pink is a manly color! Pichi-Hime6!(talk · edits) 14:44, 7 November 2011 (EST) They don't look that much alike. In some games if you look really closely, you'll notice that Luigi's overalls are a slightly darker shade than Mario's, and Luigi wears green and Mario wears red, the each have their own symbol (a red M for Mario and a green L for Luigi), Luigi is slightly taller and thinner and even their mustaches are different. Also, Mario and Luigi don't usually speak like other characters, but Luigi does it a bit more than Mario, as only Luigi would speak English in Super Paper Mario. They also weren't born at the same time. And twins don't have to look alike. Just because Mario and Luigi look alike doesn't mean they're twins!M&L Beware my fury! 12:49, 30 January 2012 (EST) Well, of course they're gonna wear different outfits! And unless they're IDENTICAL twins, their physical features would always look a little different. How do you know they weren't born at the same time? Plus, doesn't Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games say they're twins? Plus, Luvbi says they're twins in SPM. All the signs point to them being twins, so until Nintendo gives info that says otherwise, I say they're twins. P.S.: They were carried by the stork at the same time in Yoshi's Island, and their bond was so strong that Baby Mario new where Baby Luigi was when Kamek kidnapped Baby Luigi. --Girls rule, for pink is a manly color! Pichi-Hime6!(talk · edits) 20:32, 30 January 2012 (EST) I'm agree that he is Mario's Twin Brother. Talk less, read more. You better read the wiki page carefully before asking. 180.254.179.58 23:42, 22 August 2014 (EDT) You do realize you're responding to a 2 year old message, right? Ray Trace(T|C) 23:44, 22 August 2014 (EDT) Okay, i am gonna forget about this. I only want to say that they should see the wiki page carefully. 180.254.179.58 23:50, 22 August 2014 (EDT) "Yeah it's likely that Luigi is just Mario's younger twin! I'm a younger twin by two minutes...But many years older Mario fandom wise!" -Luigidude17, twin brother of Luigigirl17(not a real user, just my sister's nickname.) SMB Wonder is another canonical (in-game text!) mention of his "twin but younger twin" status. Could this go in the article’s Age section? Pichugetic (talk) 18:33, March 21, 2024 (EDT) Images If anyone can help finding images, I will be happy :). Paper Jorge Mr. L Merge Go here Plumber AnimeLuigi.jpg - deleted? Why has this picture been deleted?? --Grandy02 06:56, 22 June 2007 (EDT) I myself am not sure. According to the deletion log, KPH2293 (talk), who is VERY trustworthy and all that, deleted it on the claims that it was unused, despite the fact that the page links to it even now. It's no problem, though; I'll just re-upload the image. (And by the way, KPH also deleted Image:Staringcontest?.gif and Image:Luigitennis.jpeg on the same terms; both of these images are still linked through from the article. I'll ask him why he did this...) YELLOWYOSHI398 Just so you know, I noticed many Luigi Pictures that are on Luigi's page that say "No pages Link to this file". However, they are on Luigi's page, yet they the image says that they are not on this page. Something might be wrong with this page, but I don't know. My Bloody Valentine Hmm... Currently, all surviving images linked to this page state that they are indeed linked to this page. I dunno; what you said still could've been what caused it... YELLOWYOSHI398 If something like this happens again, slap the images on your talk page in a gallery, it works all the time ;) XzelionETC Super Mario 64 DS May I ask why the Super Mario 64 DS section is placed after Paper Mario? Isn't it a remake of Super Mario 64, and thus occupies the same spot in the timeline? Dinosaur bob 13:27, 1 July 2007 (EDT) Actually it's matter of opinion. I personally think the "remake" is in the same continuity as the original and they both happened at different times. the DS adventure could have happened after Paper Mario and the original happened before for all we know. -- WarioLoaf (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2007 (EDT) According to MarioWiki: Chronology, remakes should be listed in a biography in the same section the original would occupy. This is an official policy. -- Son of Suns Question Why was most of the Pics removed? XzelionETC I don't know, but somebody has to put them here before deletion. PP Well I might not know Why, but I know who. It was This guy. Anonymouspp Some of the Pics were reused from some of the same games, plus there was too many of them getting in the way, I didn't change much to the gallery, but please, no more in the main article! I mean, talk a look at the Part talking about Mr L, we got too many pics at that point, I think we can put of of those in the gallery. Luigi 7 Can someone explain to me what is meant when Mario tells Luigi good job but then steps on his foot in Mario Power Tennis? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cwjakesteel (talk). Spring Cleaning! THIS has a few broken links and stuff. Can someone go over it so it looks like a great Featured Article? I saw a broken link and I see too many red links. Minimariolover10 It is gonna take a lot of work to get this article to FA status. It will take many users, and probably many months for that to happen. -- Son of Suns Well at least fix the link. Minimariolover10 And put the Images back on! PP We're too late. PP Quote I think "I hope she made us lotsa of spaghetti!" from Hotel Mario would make a much better main quote, anyone agree? Glowsquid I reckon I'm-a Luigi umber one! is betterSuper Yoshi10Lookey This I disagree because it's more of a...well, it's a quote from an unpopular game and people just like it because they use it in a lot of Youtube Poop. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)· Oh, I don't know, all I know is Luigi is so not respected enough. The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessDaisyROX (talk). Wanting lotsa spaghetti reflects well on Luigi's personality better. --Koopapoopa 00:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT) And plus, The famous "Mama Luigi" quote is used on the article, too. YTP or not, it's still a "famous" quote. Maybe it should be mentioned. Moshata 18:38, 20 July 2011 (EDT) I think that the quotes should mention how Luigi often speaks in Italian in the Mario & Luigi series- RPG Gamer. Relationships I've removed Donkey Kong and added E. Gadd instead, I know there's more to it, but can someone add to it? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk). I edited the relationship between him and King Boo a bit I will see what I can find more on E Gadd. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gamerlad2 (talk). Add some stuff about Luigi's "element!" On Wikipeda, they mention Luigi's thunder-hand from M&L:SS and how his symbol in Strikers was a thunder-bolt. Add this in! (Without taking the exact text of course) Klaus Kratchet In Mario Super Sluggers, Luigi has tornado when pitching/batting. This could mean he has air powers. Vote for the Main Quote This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal. change to option 1 3-1-1 As the title says, this is a vote to decide the main quote. I want to change it, but I suppose I should bring this here before making any change. Blitzwing Option 1 “I'm-a Luigi, number one!” —Luigi, Mario Kart 64 Option 2 “I hope she made us lot's of spaghetti!” —Luigi, Hotel Mario Option 3 “That's Mama Luigi to you Mario!” —Luigi, Super Mario World (TV series) Option 1 Knife (talk) 13:56, 15 December 2007 (EST) Quote from a better known game SiFi, Youtube poops mean nothing on this wiki. Though I always thought "I'm my bro's bro." was a good one. Lavender, "I'm my bro's bro" is from Super Paper Mario. Not youtube. And, "that's mama luigi to you mario" was actually in the show, there may be a lot of youtube poops for that episode, but Luigi really says that. Option 2 Oppose. More people know this quote from the intro to Garfield and Friends than from Hotel Mario. Besides, it's already the quote on Spaghetti by now. --Tepples 17:44, 21 March 2009 (EDT) Support. So? It still reflects Luigi's personality.--Koopapoopa 00:55, 18 May 2010 (EDT) Option 3 I think this option should be because: 1.)mario could just change Luigi to mario and 2.)Mario could have easily said te same thing. in fact, both of them could have said it-Chandud vote for the Main quote I think that "I'm my bro's bro" from super paper mario is a better one, because it shows luigi's personality, in every game i've played luigi calls mario "bro". option one is from mario kart and crossovers, option two sounds more like mario then luigi, and option 3 only applies to one episode of super mario world. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk). Super Mario Galaxy Where are images of him playable in that game?(Super F22 Pilot 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST)) There aren't very many images of the playable Luigi around. (DarkZero) Well please upload the image if you at least find any. Also I did was able to play as Luigi by collecting all 120 Stars and switched from Mario to Luigi but then you have to start all the way to the beginning.(Super F22 Pilot 03:37, 10 January 2008 (EST)) "Paper" Luigi... Luigi's image in the TTYD section looks shopped. His mustache doesn't part from his nose and his eyes are too close together. NMRodo I remember a similar issue with Tayce T. Dodo's right, it could possibly just be fan artwork (The uploader...) Mr. Guy the Guy Talk!E Yeah, it's quite obviously a fake. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:10, 21 January 2008 (EST) It is if you look closely the bold line looks thin. And his overalls are light blue! (Aren't they suppose to be jean coloured) File:LuigiPM2.PNG Princess Grapes Butterfly 20:59, 15 February 2008 (EST) (And his ear is all mess up.) Luigi's Final Smash http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LckvnqXmujc Its strange, but it still deserves a mention and article. The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]). Mention: Yes. Article: No. HyperToad Where does he get that smash from anyway? The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]). apparently it's because of his dislike from being in his bro's shadow. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk). Early artwork Is there any artwork of Luigi from an early game, like Super Mario Bros. 2, or Super Mario World, or something? I want to see what he originally looked like in one of those platformers. Is there any on the wiki? If it's not in this article, probably not. (I know there is artwork of him from SMB2, because there is of the other characters... where do images like that come from?) CrystalYoshi 19:11, 27 February 2008 (EST) You can find a lot by looking at the artwork for the remake (Super Mario Advance). There's one of him running, pulling up a turnip, and maybe one more. Now, whether these were the original artwork, I don't know. Stumpers! 23:13, 27 February 2008 (EST) The manuals also have artwork of Luigi. See here for SMB2 and here for SMW. Time Questions 06:22, 28 February 2008 (EST) Is there any website that shows the artwork? It should be uploaded. CrystalYoshi 18:36, 29 February 2008 (EST) Your best bet is Gamehiker. I forget the URL, so please search for "Gamehiker". The site has a gallery sorted by video games. Stumpers! 20:08, 29 February 2008 (EST) Well, can I just download the picture and click "upload file"? Is it that easy? If I just do that, will I get arrested for not scaling down the image or something? I'm a little confused about that. 20:32, 29 February 2008 (EST) Never mind, they didn't have the one I wanted. (I wanted the one that was part of this picture. Maybe it's from Super Mario Advance, but they didn't have artwork from that game.) CrystalYoshi That's the biggest version of the picture I know of. You can chop out Luigi using Paint if you want to. In regards to being arrested: just read the appropriate template for your image (ie, screenshot, artwork, etc.) and see that you hold true to the criteria. Stumpers! 10:27, 1 March 2008 (EST) Mr L Shouldn't we create a separate page for Mr L? --Mario was defeated by Bowser. Peach Cried. Actually, I was thinking about that earlier. Maybe, but there might not be too much to say about Mr. L, in which case it's a good idea to keep him part of this article to avoid having a stub. CrystalYoshi It would be nice for someone looking for stats or tips not to have to discover his true identity by finding it only on the Luigi page. Plus, we have Bowletta, Fire Mario, etc. Stumpers! 17:38, 6 March 2008 (EST) You're right. The aticle would mention in the first few sentences that it was really Luigi, but it's pretty obvious. (Actually, when I saw Mr. L, I wasn't sure if it was Luigi after being hypnotized, or some sort of clone or evil twin of Luigi.) But that doesn't really matter, there's a ton of spoilers on the wiki and not much to do about it. But a Mr. L article sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone want to make it? Pseudo-dino first mentioned it, does he want to make it? CrystalYoshi A Mr. L article would definatly work. His millions of appearances throughout the game, information about his HP and battle technices (Shroom Shake!), a quote of his, how Luigi turned into Mr. L after he tried to escape, how he joined Bleck, how he got turned back into Luigi after bieng "killed", how they later found out who he really was and his mention in Brawl. Sounds article worthy. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)· Out of Order Pictures I think the official images on this article should be in date order. Does anyone agree/disagree? EnPeached 21:18, 29 April 2008 (EDT) Yup.[Yoshitheawesome] Melee how do you unlock luigi in meleeP&F911 18:56, 24 May 2008 (EDT)P&F911 I won't even bother saying to go to the forums. You need to play 800 vs. matches or finish the first stage in Adventure mode when a digit of the time is 7. I'm sure someone can explain the second part of that better.Knife (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2008 (EDT) Pizza! From Wikipedia: "In accordance with Nintendo's marketing policy of naming and promoting individual characters,[2] the new character was given the name Luigi, which was inspired by a pizza parlor near Nintendo of America's headquarters in Redmond, Washington, called "Mario & Luigi's".[4]". I don't see this anywhere in the history or current version. Should be added, yeah? -- Chris 20:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT) I'll go on the record saying this is a perfect example of how canon has replaced history on this Wiki. Stumpers! 15:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT) Luigi Mario? OK, I found some new evidence on the Bros.' last name. It's in some issue of Nintendo Power, a Super Mario Sunshine article. Mario addresses a postcard to a certain "Luigi Mario." Whaddaya think? I can scan the article or whatever. BLOC PARTIER. Sounds good - if you give us the issue number, page number, article title, and author we can do a proper citation and you won't have to scan - but scans are appreciated, too! Stumpers! 15:18, 30 August 2008 (EDT) Yeah, I'd rather scan it, considering it's part of a poster that I already took out of the magazine. If I was lucky, it'd only take a couple minutes to find, but if not... It could take well over an hour. :O BLOC PARTIER. Oh, I know that feeling. Good luck and may both of us one day find enough space for all of our stuff so that it is organized. :P Stumpers! 01:25, 31 August 2008 (EDT) I always thought Luigi Mario was his real name, and that's why they're called theMario bros.. Interactions with other characters I think that instead of King boo being under interactions with other characters, ghosts should be stated. Because since Luigi's Manison, Luigi has had a connection with not just King Boo, but with ghosts in general. An example would be that Luigi was trapped in the Ghostly Galaxy in Super Mario Galaxy. I would have went ahead and changed it, but I thought that some people might prefer that a specific individual be listed instead of a species. I just wanted to get some opinions on this. WK But, that would be like saying "Mario has an interaction with Koopas" in general. Just because Luigi fights them, doesn't mean they have a connection. Marcelagus (T • C • E) In Mario Superstar Baseball, Luigi shares bad chemistry with not just King Boo, but also with Boo. Where as Mario doesn't share bad chemistry with Koopas or Goombas. WK The chemistry does not determine all relationships. (Goomba with a good chemsitry with Diddy Kong??) Anyway, I just noticed... Daisy has a bad chemistry with Waluigi. Does this support the Daisy-Luigi relationship, perhaps? o_0 Marcelagus (T • C • E) I certainly think so. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:15, December 19, 2022 (CST) Possibly... The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrincessDaisyROX (talk). King Boo is basically the guy that hates Weege the most, kind of like goomboss/bowser and Mario. King Boo captured Weege in Mario 64 DS, and Goomboss captured mario. I think maybe an interaction with ghosts in general and a subheading with King Boo.--Koopapoopa 00:50, 18 May 2010 (EDT) the thing in mario superstar baseball is because luigi is scared of ghosts and mario isn't scared of koopas or goombas (or anything =P). and koopapoopa, it's spelled "weegee". The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigi time! (talk). The one with Wario and Rosalina are both a bit pointless (mainly the Wario one) since he's more of a rival with Waluigi, and he really and truly only doesn't really interact with Rosalina apart from when you can play as him and his ending photo. AzelfandQuilava 17:39, 12 October 2012 (EDT) ? why is he in the police catagory? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk). Because of this comic. --Grandy02 13:57, 21 November 2008 (EST) Personality "When Luigi finally went on a quest of his own in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, he's presented as be more arrogant and somewhat of a liar, as he changes the stories of his adventure to make himself look better;" Isn't that a little too harsh? Sure he changed some things in his story but I think he only did this to make his brother proud of him. And as for his novel: It can not undoubtedly be confirmed that Luigi made that exaggerated edits. It might have been the author as well in an attempt to make his story sound more read-worthy. Edofenrir 07:25, 20 August 2009 (EDT) Younger twin brother? I'm confused. Hello, I'm Time Turner. How are you confused? Even in the case of twins, they're not born the same moment, if that's what you're wondering. One is still older than the other. --Garlic Man (talk) Well, how do we know if Luigi's younger? Hello, I'm Time Turner. Read Luigi#Luigi's Age for details. --Garlic Man (talk) Tanned Should we mention in his physicl description that in some games Luigi has paler skin than Mario? if yall never noticed look at the Mario & Luigi sprites real close like. [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster[[UserTalk:Clarkmaster|Southern Voice!]]]] 17:11, 31 January 2010 (EST) That's kinda minor information, since I only noticed a tiny difference if I looked really closely and made sure that they use different colors. And it's only in a few games as well. Ray Trace(T|C) Yes, but Roy Campbell said: "Look at that pale skin!"...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT) I agree with BabyLuigiOnFire, I only noticed when I heard the codec, and it was very hard to see. L-ater! Meaning I was doing a little research, and I found out that the meaning of "Luigi" is "famous fighter", something that Luigi is definately not. Should that go in trivia, starting with "ironically" or "coincedentially?" (<-- probably not spelt right, but who cares.) Lemmy Koopa Fan 22:45, 8 March 2010 (EST) Where did you get that information from? Ray Trace(T|C) Ah, one of those "meaning of names" sites. I'm pretty sure it was true, because that's what it said on other sites too. (Wow, I have such weird hobbies...) Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:12, 9 March 2010 (EST) ...The meaning of "Luigi" is "Glorious in battle" (according to the Junior Woodchucks' manual... =P)...--Green Thunder 11:36, 19 March 2011 (EDT) Luigi in Brawl I've seen pictures and videos of Luigi in Brawl as Mr.L,a few websites say stuff about this (eye problems and not being able to get the bandana on him.)MegaClaws 11:30, 9 March 2010 (EST) The pictures were edited and the videos were the result of a hack. I know because there is no way possible to play as Mr. L in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Lemmy Koopa Fan 17:15, 9 March 2010 (EST) Weegee I think we should have more information about the name "weegee", and maybe even an image of what "weegee" looks like. --Koopapoopa 00:53, 18 May 2010 (EDT) -_-' Please nothing about YouTube poops or other crap from other meme places...--FREAK ~Game Freak~ OUT! I just mean basic information about him, such as the fact that it's from the DOS version and that his sprite is infamous for its staring, stuff like that. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT) Yes, and let's put it in the trivia section. --Click to enter my domain! 21:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC) information actually about Luigi In the sections for various games, it just says things like, "mario and luigi travelled through 8 worlds, blah blah blah..." and doesn't give that much information about Luigi himself, like how he throws the shell on the title screen of Mario 3,etc. --Koopapoopa 01:02, 18 May 2010 (EDT) That's one of the reasons why the article has a rewrite template. Feel free to help improve the article by adding more facts actually related to Luigi and removing unrelated information; if the article talks about things unrelated to the subject, that's only because nobody has taken the time to rewrite those sections yet. Keep in mind when adding things though that the style used for most of the article is not conform to the current quality standards; information should be written in the present tense, speculation, fanon and dramatic writing styles should be absent.--vellidragon 15:15, 18 May 2010 (EDT) Different in SMB3? The article currently says that Luigi controls differently in Super Mario Bros. 3 (as he does in some other games). I have never heard such a thing (aside from Super Mario Advance 4, of course) but am in no position to test, currently. Does anyone have any evidence that this is the case? --HeroicJay 06:44, 25 May 2010 (EDT) I'm pretty sure that Luigi plays exactly the same as Mario in SMB3. --Grandy02 06:56, 25 May 2010 (EDT) So am I, but like I said, unable to test, myself, currently. --HeroicJay 13:25, 25 May 2010 (EDT) No, really, does anyone have any evidence of this? I'm really thinking that it was added by someone who owns SMA4 and got confused. --HeroicJay 02:20, 31 May 2010 (EDT) I have SMA4. Only reason I edited that Luigi controls differently is because another editor said so and I'm sorta more Sonic-ish than Mario-ish... but I've seen some videos on Youtube and in the original SMB3, Luigi didn't seem to slip or slide any more than Mario did, and I'm pretty sure jump height is the same. I'll try to get it for the Virtual Console and see if I spot any differences. Sorry if I began (or continued...) any confusion. --SuperSonicRider 22:37, 31 May 2010 (EDT) 2 Sections How come there are 2 sections named "Super Mario World"? I think one of them has to be renamed. Happy Halloween! There are two sections because there are two things named 'Super Mario World". The sub-sections of History that they are listed under make it pretty clear which one's which: the one in the "Super Mario series" section is about the game Super Mario World and the other one, in the "DIC cartoons" section, is about the cartoon Super Mario World. It doesn't disrupt wiki navigation either (if you want to link straight to the second one, type Luigi#Super_Mario_World_2, while Luigi#Super_Mario_World goes to the first; the TOC works fine as well). It's not a problem and no renaming is necessary. - Walkazo 23:12, 15 January 2011 (EST) Merge Casanova Koopa with Luigi This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal. merge 6-1 This proposal is to merge Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. I tried this a couple weeks ago, but it was confusing. But I got the hang of it. Anyway, I think we should merge these two pages because if Kootie Pie's human form should be put in Wendy O's page than so should Cassanova Koopa with Luigi. Proposer:Tails777 (talk) Deadline: February 16, 2011, 23:59 GMT Support Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Yeah, why was that removed, anyways, per proposal. Zero signing out. Marioguy1 (talk) - Casanova Koopa is not notable enough to get its own article when there is an alternative way to do this. Supremo78 (talk) If Casanova Koopa is a form of Luigi that was used, it should be included in his article, just like Mr. L is included in Luigi's article. SWFlash (talk) Per Marioguy. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. We merged Leo Luster, so we should merge this too. Pokémon Trainer Mario (talk) - Per all. It's a stub that someone forgot to stub. Oppose Bowser's luma (talk) Leo Luster was just whichever Kong who's name escapes me in a costume. If I'm not mistaken, Casanova Koopa is Luigi in a magical transformation. Comments I put it in the wrong place. Tails777 (talk) Where's the Cassanova Koopa article? I can't find it ._. Marioguy1 (talk) I am Zero! I also tried to look for Casanova Koopa.... Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk) I might have mispelled the word. I have bad spelling. Sorry. And if Casanova Koopa and Luigi are different, why isn't there a page for Kootie Pie's human form?Tails777 (talk) I am Zero! @AnimalCrossingCool Please specify that a little more or else the vote is invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk) Robo Koopa. It's a featured article, and an alter-ego. If we have that article, why can't we have this one? And for an example with Luigi, Mr. L. Hello, I'm Time Turner. It's probably going by the logic that merged Leo Luster with Bluster Kong. I personally would love to see all those personae merged into King Koopa's alter egos (but maybe give the chart a "summary" section to briefly describe each alter-ego and its role in the corresponding episode). Most of them don't have articles yet anyway, and I feel that lengthy summaries like on Robo Koopa are a bit unnecessary: people can just read the episode summaries. Video game alter-egos have a bit more to stand on, seeing as their summaries aren't just rehashing a single game's summary, in most cases, but I'd be fine with merging things like Dark Fawful, Bowletta, Shrowser and possibly even Mr. L, although given the fact that "Mr. L" played such an important role in SPM, I'd also be fine with that article staying. Same deal with Dr. Mario: he's not a one-hit wonder, and not giving him his own page would look like an omission on our part. - Walkazo 10:40, 4 February 2011 (EST) In my opinion, Robo Koopa should be merged as it is not notable enough to warrant its own article. But Bowletta, Dark Fawful (don't know who Shrowser is) and Mr. L are all main villains of a game. Robo Koopa appeared as the villain during one episode of a TV show. Bowletta, Dark Fawful, etc. are the main villains of their own games. They should remain split (IMO). Marioguy1 (talk) Slitghly off topic, but King Koopa has quite a few pages on his alter-egos. We even listed them: King Koopa's alter egos. Since this will pass, should we delete/merge these alter-egos? Hello, I'm Time Turner. I am Zero! @Bowser'sLuma What difference does that make? They're both just changing their look. Your vote in invalid. Zero signing out. Zero777 (talk) Parent category Luigi is listed under the Parents category. Did I miss or just forget about something? --Dus T. 16:14, 29 November 2011 (EST) I believe the category is for maternal or paternal relationships, not just biological parenthood, so that's probably it. Bop1996 (Talk) In the super mario world tv show he was Yoshis adopted Mama/father Raven Effect (talk) Luigi isn't really a parent because he isn't married and Yoshi calls him "mama Lugi" because Luigi found himWorld 6 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2012 (EDT) Quote I think we should change the current quote with a different one. My personal suggestion is "I'm my bro's bro!". If anyone either supports or opposes this, or has a different suggestion, please comment below.{{User:M&LM&L Baby_mario.gif 22:27, 16 January 2012 (EST)}} "And that's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!" "I hope she makes us lotsa spaghetti!" "Lucky I found a magic balloon!'" Nope...they probably won't work. {{subst:nosubst|User:YL/sig}} 06:53, 20 April 2012 (EDT) Artwork Perhaps [6] this one? And it doesn't matter that he is holding coins because we used Wario's MP8 artwork for awhile which had him holding coins. Plus, it would go with Mario's well. YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST) Split a SMG Luigi into a new article This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit any of the sections in the proposal. If you wish to discuss the article, do so in a new header below the proposal. split neither 0-5-14 This kinda came up incidentally in a discussion on Boom Boom's talk page, and I think it's a valid point. There are two Luigis in Super Mario Galaxy, and they look different. Therefore, one of them should be split to a different page, Luigi (Super Mario Galaxy), kinda like the Pink Donkey Kong Jr. article, though the differences are far more drastic there. I think the important question is which one, however. Proposer: 1337star (talk) Deadline: January 15, 2013, 23:59 GMT. Split the playable Luigi Split the NPC Luigi Walkazo (talk) - They look different (not as different than Pink DKJr., but it's better than nothing), talk to each other, and Rosalina calls the extra one Luigi's "twin". Yeah, the game doesn't really get into it much beyond that, but like we always say, there's nothing wrong with a short article if there's not much info to go on. Speculating about the how and why of the Luigi twin would be wrong, but we don't have to do that to get an article out of the subject. Plus, as we've seen with the recent pushes for level articles and whatnot, it's good to have lots of articles - as long as they're about worthwhile subjects, and this little quirk seems worthy to me (and maybe other people think it's interesting too, and try to look up info about it on Google). Regarding some of the opposition (not including the votes that don't know what the TPP is even about), like I said on the Boom Boom talk page, comparing SSB game mechanics to the Super Mario series is apples and oranges: it doesn't matter what your in-universe beliefs are, this matter simply isn't anything like the duplicate fighters of SSB. This also doesn't mean something must be done about the extra Mario in DKJr., because again, it's not the same situation: SMG treats the extra Luigi as an extra Luigi, but to my knowledge, DKJr. doesn't treat the other Mario as... anything, really, so even asserting that it is meant to be a second Mario would be speculation - unlike the extra Luigi, there isn't really anything that could be cobbled together into a factual article, AFAIK: no dialogue, no difference in appearance, no lampshade-hanging, no nothing. But this? This has stuff to go on, and we should, y'know, go on it. Pokémon Trainer Red (talk) Per Walkazo Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo. Tails777 (talk) Per Walkazo Aokage (talk) Per Walkazo. Split neither (a.k.a. do nothing) Brock (talk) Oppose: there is no reason to split a single character by game. He is still the same character. If you must, you can create a paragraph referring to said character on his character page referring to any differences in personality/characterization/etc on his page. Anything specific to the games belongs in the games articles themselves, not on a separate character page. ~Brock. Marshal Dan Troop (talk) No what's next splitting paper mario because he looks different, splitting the Mario in DKJR because there are two of them, splitting Luigi in Wrecking Crew because he's purple, creating a Mario (species) page again because there's multiple Mario's in smash bros. I guess what i'm saying is that I oppose because Nintendo gives no confirmation that they are different characters. RandomYoshi (talk) — They are still the same character. Luigi is an NPC in many, many games. Does that mean that every time he is an NPC, the page should be split? No, it doesn't. Just as long as we have it confirmed that it's Luigi, which we in fact have in this case, it should stay on the same page. Bop1996 (talk) Per all Smasher (talk) - Per all. Sunscreen (talk) - Per all. World10 (talk) Per all. 1337star (talk) Whatever, I don't care anymore. I still feel that they are separate characters, and the game itself says this, but this proposal obviously won't go anywhere. Per all, I guess. Zero777 (talk) Oppose, and not for any of the above reasons, which I believe are wrong, except for one. I believe splitting it up will make the SMG Luigi article very unprofessional, with little info on it besides cosmetic differences; it's not article-worthy is basically what I am saying. This kind of information belongs in a small explanation on Luigi's article and/or the SMG article. BowserJunior (talk) Per all. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Per all NewSMBU (talk) Are you sure the two Luigis are so different because they talk to each other and Rosalina calls the clone Luigi's twin, so they must be split? MegaKoopa (talk) They're almost the same one... Gamefreak75 (talk) Per all. Comments To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!) people opposing: how do you account for the fact that dialogue supports that the two Luigis are different people? Or that the two Luigis look different? -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 14:38, 1 January 2013 (EST) Well, 1337star, how do you define that they look different? Doesn't the Luigi from Super Mario Bros. look different from the Luigi found in Paper Mario, for example? Should they then be split into different articles, as well? RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 14:48, 1 January 2013 (EST) But those Luigis aren't in the same game at the same time. These are. And, to stem off the Super Smash Bros. argument, those aren't the actual characters, but toys (the first game) or trophies (Melee and Brawl), rather than real, flesh-and-blood people. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 14:56, 1 January 2013 (EST) To my understanding, you think that splitting this article because something you, a fan, saw that is not confirmed by any official source ever from Nintendo, where this Wiki takes all of its information from and considers canotial information. There is no policy backing up your claims here. We cannot conclude that they are different characters until Nintendo has confirmed the opposite, so for now we'll let this article be. RandomYoshi(Talk • PMs • C) 15:01, 1 January 2013 (EST) No 1337 you are wrong according to the wiki Smash Bros. is canon therefore those are in fact Luigi's that you are fighting. Marshal Dan Troop (talk) I didn't say Super Smash Bros. isn't canon. I said that the Luigi (and other characters) in that game aren't the same as in the main Mario series, by the simple fact that he's a toy/trophy and not a real human being (and no, I don't think the Smash Bros. info should be split. Trophy!Luigi and real!Luigi don't appear in the same game.) I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere on the Dojo that says something to this effect, though I don't feel like looking due to this not being all that relevant here. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST) The thing is, the game doesn't offer any reason why there are two Luigis there at all, so there's not really anything we can say to claim anything other than there's a Luigi in exactly the same place and situations the Luigi in Mario's SMG storyline is, which is what we already do. It's almost impossible to claim anything else about the two Luigis without falling into speculation simply because of how lightly the game treats the subject, and that's really all there is to it. Bop1996 (Talk) I personally don't see how this situation is different than Donkey Kong Jr./Pink Donkey Kong Jr., but whatever. Consensus is obviously against this, so I'm unofficially withdrawing it (can't officially withdraw it because there's too many votes). -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (EST) I think most of the people didn't understand the proposal. In Super Mario Galaxy, we can see two different Luigi at the same time. They even talk to each other. They look a bit different. The proposal is not "Well, in SMG Luigi is a bit different so we should split" but "Well, in SMG there are two Luigis different, so we should split". Banon (talk · edits) 15:52, 1 January 2013 (EST) 1337star, you could just delete this or ask an admin to, since you're even voting against your own proposal. Aokage (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2013 (EST) "To the (surprisingly numerous in quite a short span of time!)" Looking at the voters, what probably happened is that someone on the chat dropped a link here based on the title and the usual suspects voted en masse without actually bothering to read the description. Business as usual. Anyway, I'll just echo what Bop1996 said, I don't feel a split is necessary as what you can essentialy say about the 2nd Luigi is "There's a 2nd Luigi in some missions in Super Mario Galaxy. He has slightly different textures and the game treat him as a separate character". Nothing that isn't already stated with enough depth in the SMG section of this article, imo. --Glowsquid (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2013 (EST) An admin should remove most the oppose votes. They clearly didn't understand this proposal. Aokage (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2013 (EST) Or how about we still disagree with Walkazo. Just because we have a different opinion on this doesn't mean we should go on the same side as you. Ray Trace(T|C) People didn't read the proposal and thought this was about splitting the galaxy Luigi because he's NPC or something (see Brock and RandomYoshi; others just went "Per all"). No. This about splitting the other Luigi because there's TWO LUIGIS. They should atleast read the proposal and clarify their opinion. Aokage (talk) 14:10, 5 January 2013 (EST) Even so, I still believe the article is fine the way it is Ray Trace(T|C) 16:52, 6 January 2013 (EST) Luigi's Mansion Hey I have a question. Is Luigi's Mansion considered a series? Pokebub (talk) 00:05, 8 April 2013 (EDT) More of a sequel. --L151 00:10, 8 April 2013 (EDT) A sequel to what, exactly? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:19, December 19, 2022 (CST) Year of Luigi Should there be a separate page for Year of Luigi? The page could keep track of all the games released for Luigi and info about year of luigi. Pokebub (talk) 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT) Year of the Luigi sounds as an informal name Nintendo conceived. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 18 April 2013 (EDT) New picture for info box I personally think we should change it to the artwork for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. First of all it's Luigi's most recent new artwork and second it's from a game where Luigi is the main star. Tails777 Talk to me! I think we should let it stay, since the art style for Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon depicts Luigi as a clay model or something, and I don't think other Luigi artwork will adopt that texture. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:38, 24 April 2013 (EDT) Typo in Luigi's description In the last paragraph of "Creation and Development", it states that the Year of Luigi is celebrating his thirteenth anniversary. It should actually say thirtieth. With this typo, it seems as if Luigi was created in 2000 instead of 1983. That's a little funny, actually... --108.74.227.102 20:30, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Connor the Pegasus Thanks M a r i o(talkϟedits) 20:33, 29 July 2013 (EDT) Parents? Luigi has the Parents category on his article... Explain to me exactly when Luigi was shown to have children? -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 21:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT) "Thats Mama Luigi to you" Taken out of contex I'd expect.----- The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.157.227 (talk). Trivia on the recent Q&A with Luigi Should we add trivia about questioned answered during the recent Q&A with Luigi where Luigi answered questions in real time? Some of those answers pretty interesting like the fact that hes kept of every coin he's collected over his adventures (782,942,872,943) and others are about his relations with daisy and how he thinks Pikachu is a cute pokemon. Since the person answering for luigi was the voice actor I'm pretty sure we can't accept things as cannon but that doesn't mean we can't have it in the trivia section.--75.19.157.227 01:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT) Link to this? Ray Trace(T|C) 02:16, 22 October 2013 (EDT) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwfC9_AgDnQ --75.20.190.208 13:52, 28 October 2013 (EDT) Oh! This is really cool! Mind if I use this video to add some quotes to the Luigi quote page? I've never seen Luigi talk before, so yes, this will reveal quite some of his personality. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:07, 30 October 2013 (EDT) First appearance Shouldn't it be DKjr, not Mario Bros? Granted in DKjr he didn't have his trademark green clothes yet, instead dressing identically to Mario, but who else could it possibly have been helping Mario with the captured Donkey Kong? Then when they made Mario Bros and brought him back they had to make him look different since it was 2 player simultaneous and players had to know who was who, so they changed his coloring, but he definitely had to be the "2nd Mario" in DKjr even if all his trademark characteristics hadn't been ironed out yet (sort of how Mario was called Jumpman in the first DK, but it's still Mario's first appearance).76.226.130.212 20:41, 17 January 2014 (EST) Unfortunately, we don't have enough evidence to prove that the Mario clone is the biological clone (aka twin brother Luigi). Nintendo has also asserted multiple times that Mario Bros. is Luigi's first appearance as well, from trophy descriptions to Year of the Luigi itself. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:49, 17 January 2014 (EST) Perhaps, if the Mario from DK & DK Jr. is Mario(the plumber)'s father, the other Mario is his father(Mario(the plumber)'s grandfather). SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 1:53, December 9, 2022 (CST) Adding E. Gadd to Luigi's friends Should E. Gadd be somewhere in there? I mean in the 2 major games they appear in together, they seem to act as close friends. Tails777 Talk to me! Well, I don't know, but E. Gadd seems to trust and look up to Luigi. I'd say that it's more of a trusted worker-boss relationship. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:27, 10 February 2014 (EST) "I hope she made us lotsa spaghetti" is a better quote Its a better quote - SamanthaJohnson From the cartoons - SamanthaJohnson Please use or respond - SamanthaJohnson It's popular just because it's a cheesy meme. It's not from the cartoons. We won't use it. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 19:49, 14 April 2014 (EDT) It's actually from Hotel Mario, not any of the cartoons. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:54, December 9, 2022 (CST) Hello Hello guys, i don't understand why i can't edit. In the section "Nicknames" say "Luigi is unknown", apparently somebody edited their research original, Luigi is the icon sidekick in Mario franchise... can someone fixed that, because their wiki looks poor and edited by haters, and i think in the wiki's image, Mario and Luigi are the stars, and together are one of the most famous videogames characters. Thanks. Please fix that. Jola (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2014 (EDT) Paper Mario At the end of Paper Mario, when the brothers go to Peach's Castle again, Luigi goes first and say it's top secret. Is that notable? 122.189.240.166 03:58, 28 July 2014 (EDT) He was hiding the fact that he was going to lead the parade. That's not really that notable. - 04:28, 28 July 2014 (EDT) Luigi's Death Stare I heard about Luigi staring at his victims in Mario Kart 8. If you want talk about this, feel free to edit. 180.254.179.58 First, nix the font changers. Second, we are NOT going to cover that in Mario Wiki. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:38, 22 August 2014 (EDT) Oops! Sorry for the formatting. I just watch a video about this meme in Youtube. 180.254.179.58 23:45, 22 August 2014 (EDT) Btw, why have we got coverage on "Weegee" but not the Death stare? - 02:37, 23 August 2014 (EDT) Because "Weegee" is a classic. Still, not too fond of internet memes. Personally, I think the page should stick to Mario games. Sudowoodo(talk) 04:31, 23 August 2014 (EDT) But it is the history of LUIGI! AND, the page also covers non-game appearances. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:56, December 9, 2022 (CST) Problem There is a white line through the first sentence, is that just my device? -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs) it is. -Cool190 (Talk · Contribs)22:18, 17 June 2015 (EDT) Quote I think Luigi deserves a better highlighted quote than the one posted already. What about one of his lines from Mario Kart 64? How about more recent ones such as "Oh yeah, Luigi like-a that!" from Mario Party 7, or even his first line in Super Maio 3D World where he ends it with "Go Green"? They sound much better than the quote from Fortune Street and Luigi has famous lines just as good as Mario's It's a me, Mario! Marino13 (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT) We're not using this quote because it's "famous". We're using it because it gives some insight into Luigi's character and personality, which is probably what I should have said in the edit summary, but oh well. -Toa 95 (talk) The Number 2 Guy Is it appropriate to say that Luigi is the deuteragonist of the Mario franchise, since he's considered to be number 2 to the main guy Mario? (talk) No, but deuterprotagonist is okay. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:57, December 9, 2022 (CST) Luigi is silent Okay, guys, I am very much convinced that Luigi is overall a silent character just like Mario, and for the most part, he's only a little bit more talkative than Mario. The only games where he really speaks are the Mario Galaxy games and the first three Paper Mario games. Other than that, he just speaks like Mario: silent, gibberish, grunts and yells, or not at all. Because of this, he should have a "silent" quote just like Mario does. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 21:49, 14 December 2017 (EST) I don't follow that logic. Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 23:14, 14 December 2017 (EST) What do you mean, you don't follow that logic? What logic do you follow then? Or better yet, what's wrong with my logic in the first place? I hope you answer me correctly, or else you run the risk of getting jumbled up with Dimentio again! :) Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2017 (EST) lolwut.....anyways, he's silent in games where everyone pantomimes everything, but he's by far the more vocal of the two. Also, you leave out the first Luigi's Mansion, and even then, most games in the series have the main protagonist(s) not say all that much. He also talks in many of the older instruction manuals, especially for Super Mario RPG. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2017 (EST) What I don't follow is why we need to have a shallow quote just because Luigi doesn't talk as much as other characters. Barely anyone talks at all in the 2D platformers, but that doesn't affect anything. Toad's quote isn't "Oh no!" The whole point of the quote to give a bit of insight into the character's personality and a shallow, generic-sounding quote doesn't do that. Ultimate Mr. L (Talk-Contribs-Stats) 00:21, 18 December 2017 (EST) @Doc von Schmeltwick: Yeah, I know, but that's it. Other than that, he talks just like Mario. It's not that much of a gap at all. And besides, we're only counting games here, not instruction manuals. Yeah, I know, but if the character doesn't talk in the game, then he or she just doesn't talk in that game. And Black Lightning, if that is the case, then why do we have a silent quote for Mario? Is it because he doesn't have a personality at all? That's just bull right there. He does have a personality, it's just very simple and not expanded not very much. I feel like Luigi, although being more human and distinct, is just like Mario for the most part. After all, the Mario Bros are twins, after all. Lcrossmk8 (talk) 00:30, 18 December 2017 (EST) Because Mario never gets deep dialog outside of supplemental material, which takes a backseat regarding what is the "main" interpretation by creators. Also, twins can (obviosuly) have extremely different personalities, or even amounts thereof. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2017 (EST) I am a twin, an identical twin nonetheless raised in the same house, can speak for myself that my personality is very distinct from my twin, despite also sharing some similarities. Ray Trace(T|C) 00:59, 18 December 2017 (EST) Here's my two cents: You can't say Luigi is 100% silent (we're talking Link silent) if he talks in Paper Mario. One can say whenever you play as Luigi, he qualifies as a silent protagonist, but when you hear about his adventures in The Thousand-Year Door or hear him mumbling about furniture in the original Luigi's Mansion, or all those lines in Fortune Street, I guess, you cannot say Luigi is just one of Nintendo's silent protagonists. - AwdryFan1997(Talk) Mario + Rabbids not on here Where is the section for Mario + Rabbids? Wariopig (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2018 (EST)Wariopig Mario and Luigi On Mario’s page it mentions that his species is Homo Nintendonus. By this logic Luigi’s page should be altered to reflect their shared species as they are brother who presumably share parents. Additionally we should change all humans in the Mario and Luigi series to H. Nitendonus (or however it is spelled in the booklet that the Mario page is referencing) as this would better reflect the canon of the Mario Brothers. Fallennorth (talk) 04:33, November 22, 2019 (EST) Yeah, about that whole canon thing... Besides, such a reference to Mario's 'species' comes from an old character bible used by Nintendo of America specifically; it was written and used for an internal reference in 1993, and nothing has been mentioned of it since then, and I'd imagine there's at least more stuff referring to Mario as human in comparison. It makes little sense to speculate as a result, especially with such a rarely used and outdated source. -- Lord G. matters. 04:40, November 22, 2019 (EST) Indeed, that source wasn’t from Nintendo in Japan, and Nintendo of America itself didn’t use its content at all to create bios and the like, ignoring it if it creates inconsistencies would be fine actually.—Mister Wu (talk) 06:20, November 22, 2019 (EST) Only Appearance The part that says that Hotel Mario was Luigi's only appearance on the CD-I should be changed because Hotel Mario was the only Mario game to be released for the system. Mario Takes America & Super Mario's Wacky Worlds were both cancelled. I'manumber1 (talk) 17:40, February 6, 2022 (EST) This is probably just a joke but... In this issue of Nintendo Power it says Luigi was "too busy tinkering on his kart" to appear in Mario 64. It's probably just a joke but maybe we could add it? https://preview.redd.it/bqlpxw2ju0e51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aa3efabe7f89e5498806cec483189fe7827e0e28 I'manumber1 (talk) 15:42, February 9, 2022 (EST) Could someone please add this to the Trivia section about Luigi’s name being the Italian form of Ludwig? Since well there is a Koopaling with the name Ludwig It’s true I found this out not to long ago here’s the source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_(name)) I just want someone to add this line (Coincidentally Luigi’s name is the Italian form of the name Ludwig meaning technically speaking Luigi and Ludwig share the same name) I have already added this to Ludwig Von Koopa’s article and I would do the same here but of course I cannot do that myself. 35.137.237.68 (talk) It's just a coincidence as you said, and not notable enough to include on the article. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:26, September 30, 2022 (EDT) Grammatical error in Family BASIC "While Luigi is not included as one the usable sprites" should be "While Luigi is not included as one of the usable sprites". 93.115.28.181 18:41, November 12, 2022 (EST) Thank you. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:39, May 08, 2023 (CST) Appearences by Date I would be nice to give Luigi a "List of appearences by date" section like his brother. No Appearances List? Why doesn't Luigi have an appearances list yet? I mean, Mario, Bowser, Princess Peach, Princess Daisy, Wario, Waluigi, Toad, Yoshi and Birdo all have one, why doesn't Luigi? I say we should start making one! Beefhead (talk · edits) Then go ahead. Mario JC 12:22, March 26, 2024 (EDT) Archives: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 Link plz Plumber (Talk) aka Plumber Plumber 03:03, 14 July 2011 (EDT) Ummm Who is Xzelion 2.0? Is he an impersonator of you? DKPetey99TCE 08:21, 14 July 2011 (EDT) No it was Plumber, joking around. Apparently I have the third coolest name on the Wiki. XzelionETC Discussion has Died at Rocky Wrench Discussion has died over there, I've made my point and there've been no counterarguments. 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My proposal on splitting the Giant Banana article hits its 4 week deadline today and it's not looking like either side will reach a 3 vote margin so when i archive it should i just archive it as failed or should a mention that it reached its deadline and that's why it failed Goomba's Shoe15 (talk) RE: Dude Not a whole lot man, to be honest I didn't know you still edited yourself. :P YELLOWYOSHI398 mind if i could have a userpedia account as i cant create one and i know you can make one as your a admin of userpedia heres a username Bowser Jrs Number 1 Fan thanks for your time bowser jrs number 1 fan Hi Can you make me an account for UserPedia? Please? 'Cause, YoshiDude99 was gonna ask you... Fawful117: THE USER ARENA!!! THE NEWEST THING!!! COME JOIN NOW OR I WILL HAVE SUCH FURY UPON YOU MORTALS!!! I HAVE CHORTLES!!! 17:56, 4 August 2011 (EDT) Shroomwarning Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than August 13th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out. 'Shroomingly yours, Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon · SMB (Talk) · 21:53, 6 August 2011 (EDT) Another person you probably don't know asking for a Userpedia account I have a forum account already, name there is Dr. Javelin with a period instead of my wiki account which has none. I'd like the same name as this account. Dr Javelin (talk) Read this. I don't care if this Wiki has a diffrent opinion, Semicolon has a completely valid point. WikiofSmash"It's called society, ever heard of it?" 20:09, 9 August 2011 (EDT) Get Ready The Kremlings are going to attack unless someone unblocks Kaptain K. Rool and Plumber690. Kaptain690 08:56, 14 August 2011 (EDT) No they are not. DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr. (talk) a Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than September 10th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out. 'Shroomingly yours, Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon · SMB (Talk) · 23:14, 4 September 2011 (EDT) I was just a 'Shroomy lad, never knew no good from bad...! Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than October 8th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out. 'Shroomingly yours, Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon · SMB (Talk) · 21:45, 1 October 2011 (EDT) RE: Last Warning This is RIDICULOUS. I have been getting Warnings of every kind left and right today. All I did was give Raven Effect a proper Waning for being immature and rude. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? Whoa. Deja Vu. I just KNEW you would say what you just said about sarcasm! But seriously, why are you not banned? You are rude and a troll with a rank. You call users morons, you flame, you ruin the wiki. From what I've seen, you were better as GG. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? What is wrong with this picture? I What planet are you from, to think that sarcasm's ok? Niiue - Who has lost his tail? Userpedia Can you create an account for me there? My forum name is "Mario and Luigi". Mario & Luigi It's that time of the month... Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than November 12th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out. 'Shroomingly yours, Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon · SMB (Talk) · 19:11, 5 November 2011 (EDT) Happy Holidays! Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Edofenrir your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than December 10th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, tell me, and I'll be sure to work something out. In addition, this issue of The 'Shroom is a Special HOLIDAY Issue! In addition to your regular sections, you are invited to write one or more special guest sections on any topic, and should submit your special section on December 14th. Review a game you like, give us a Christmas story, play a game, maybe draw some Christmas artwork, there's so much choice! You are not required to write a special guest section for the Special Holiday Issue, but it is encouraged. There will be awards given out in the issue for the best writers for The 'Shroom, so be sure to impress us this month! Season's greetings to everyone, and an excellent New Year! 'Shroomingly yours, Super Mario Bros. and Edofenrir · SMB (Talk) · 21:40, 3 December 2011 (EST) This is an important notice: the New Year Special Issue and the December issue have been merged together into the Holiday Special Issue. Please reread the special Holiday 'Shroom template above for updated information. · SMB (Talk) · 18:44, 4 December 2011 (EST) userpedia can you make me an account on userpedia? in hopes of an account, --robokoopa (Talk) 15:19, 31 December 2011 (EST) Happy 'Shroom Year! Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than January 14th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out. 'Shroomingly yours, Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon · SMB (Talk) · 16:26, 7 January 2012 (EST) The 'Shroom Hi, Sandbox! Please PM Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon your 'Shroom section on the forums (our forums, which one did you think?) by no later than February 11th. Please remember to save a copy in your outbox. If you can't, be sure to tell us soon and we'll be sure to punish you cruelly work something out. 'Shroomingly yours, Super Mario Bros. and Gabumon · SMB (Talk) · 17:22, 4 February 2012 (EST) Stuff and Things I was a real jerk when I was younger. :| Sorry about that. Binarystep (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2012 (EST) (formerly Paperphailurethemariomonster99!) Big Bubble Where do they appear in Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix? I watched a video of that Ghost House and didn't see one. Screenshot, please? YoshiCookie (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2015 (EST) Manual images and Picture images These Koopalings are either from the manual or the artwork. You see, Iggy Koopa is a little rotated. PLEASE DO NOT delete them or It will be like Fawful and Beanbean Castle Town or The Void and Sammer's Kingdom! That's what!!! If you are reading this... I'm surprised that you've got 37 archives, even more than Porplemontage, who has only 13 archives! Seriously, do you hold the "Number of Pages Archived MarioWiki Record"?! Mari0fan100 (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2019 (EST) Curious Question Out of Curiosity, What did the redirect, Super Mario Bros. 5, redirect to. You deleted it. So I'm curious to know. --Partier (talk) 00:49, July 23, 2019 (EDT) Dinosaur Dino Nuggets 174.238.192.107 18:07, April 17, 2023 (EDT) Current | Archive: 1 • 2 • 3 • 4 • 5 • 6 • 7 • 8 • 9 • 10 • 11 • 12 • 13 • 14 • 15 Note: My talk page is not a help desk for the wiki. See our help pages or contact another administrator unless there is a major policy concern or technical issue with the website. Text replacement: Requests are valid when you've manually updated all templates and the number of mainspace links after doing so is at least 25. Metal Mario (character) Can you change all instances of [[Metal Mario (character)|Metal Mario]] to just [[Metal Mario]]? Thanks in advance. - RHG1951 (talk) 20:06, April 22, 2022 (EDT) Identifiers Hey I saw you were able to make it so infoboxes displayed the identifier-less title for pages with identifiers, without the need for the |title= parameter. How did you manage to do that exactly? (and does this mean we can get rid of |title= entirely?) Somethingone (talk) 06:38, April 25, 2022 (EDT) I did this by deploying {{PAGETITLE}} as a drop-in replacement for {{PAGENAME}}. There's no need to get rid of the title parameter, as there are still some cases where it's needed, but those instances are now much rarer. --Steve (talk) 09:07, April 25, 2022 (EDT) Regarding the Mario Kart console abbreviation title thing Okay, so I finally have a grasp on how I should argue for doing away with console abbreviations on titles of Mario Kart courses. Take a look at this op-ed analysis by Ahemtoday (talk), where they argue, in summary, that the current titles for the variations of Mario Kart Tour courses returning in the Booster Course Pass are too confusing to use as article titles because a potential reader wouldn't guess that the article at, say, the Tokyo Blur title is actually one of four Mario Kart Tour variations, and that the article at the Tour Tokyo Blur title is for the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe variation. I now realize that another good example comes to mind: the Donut Plains race courses from Super Mario Kart. Currently they're located at "SNES Donut Plains [number]", which is technically correct. However, there are also the articles located at "Donut Plains [number]" for the names of specific levels in Super Mario World. Since Super Mario World and Super Mario Kart are both SNES games, the "SNES" part could refer to either set of subjects, meaning they should receive proper disambiguation instead of forcing new readers to potentially do a double-take. Thoughts worth considering perhaps. (T|C) 00:08, May 14, 2022 (EDT) The {{about}} template solves both of these problems. If the user ends up in the wrong place, then the about template is the tool we use to guide them, and whether they're clicking on "Tokyo Blur (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)" or "Tour Tokyo Blur", "Donut Plains 1 (race course)" or "SNES Donut Plains 1", it isn't going to make a huge difference to them. But for our purposes, we certainly prefer to use the more-official name that appears in-game and in marketing materials than a wikified identifier name. It's really quite alright if the user has to read the about template or the first sentence of the article to figure out what's going on, that is valid and it's why we have the about template in the first place. --Steve (talk) 01:58, May 14, 2022 (EDT) Considering my own post is what (re)started this conversation in the first place, I feel a bit obligated to weigh in - although I only really have a firm stance on the MK8 Tour tracks and not Archivist Toadette's larger point. The reason I think this situation may warrant a deviation from convention is that this is the first time this prefix is being used to distinguish an article about a course's reappearance from its original appearance. While they are officially listed as Tour Tokyo Blur and Tour Paris Promenade, it's not in a context where it's used to set the course apart from its original. If anything, these course prefixes serve to highlight and describe the original. My point is: these two articles are using this naming scheme to disambiguate in a way it wasn't designed to, and in a way that it isn't used officially. I don't believe the result of this is ideal for the end user. Ahemtoday (talk) 03:50, May 14, 2022 (EDT) Internal name template Hey, is there a way to make the internal name template automatically apply <tt></tt> to the file parameter, like how it automatically italicizes the Japanese romanizations in the foreign name template? Somethingone (talk) 15:19, May 17, 2022 (EDT) It's best not to, since if you need to include a reference, or some context such as parenthesis after the filename, that would get included in the <tt> as well. --Steve (talk) 15:26, May 17, 2022 (EDT) Question about image thumbnails Do you know why thumbnails of JPG images look blurry, even when the image viewed at full size is not? Take my sandbox for example. The image on the bottom is just the image on the top converted to PNG, so it's not actually any different in quality than the JPG, yet the JPG (top) looks blurrier than the PNG (bottom) when thumbnailed. I don't know how it looks from your computer, but here's how it looks from mine (the difference is easier to notice when zoomed in, though it's there regardless) so you know what I'm talking about. 18:03, May 23, 2022 (EDT) PNG tries to save every detail when generating thumbs, while JPG is heavily compressed and details are lost. That's also why there's a significant difference in the thumb file sizes. --Steve (talk) 18:46, May 23, 2022 (EDT) The second archive of Electrical Bowser jr. user talk Hello Porplemontage. First off, I wanted to say thank you for merging my account into Electrical Bowser jr.. I would like to ask if you could restore my second page of user talk as Electrical Bowser jr., from later 2012 to 2013, as Archive 2. Thanks, Electrical Bowser jr., 22:11, June 7, 2022 (EST) Thank you again, since you did this. Electrical Bowser jr., 22:28, June 7, 2022 (EST) My pleasure. --Steve (talk) 22:40, June 7, 2022 (EDT) Last request related to Electrical Bowser jr. Hi Porplemontage, I greatly appreciate your work to merge my account back to Electrical Bowser jr.. The last thing was wondering was if you could merge my old 2012-2014 userpage history as Electrical Bowser jr. in to my account now, and if not, if you could create a separate page as an archive or something else for my userpage history almost a decade ago. Have a good night and thanks for reading and your work, Electrical Bowser jr., 22:13, June 8, 2022 (EST) Odd rewrite-expand templates On pages such as the Kamek and Invincible Mario pages, the tag dates now appear as the reasons. Do you know why this is happening? WildWario (talk) 03:34, June 11, 2022 (EDT) He made some modifications to the tag’s template. Now you can add a reason in the first parameter (without the need of a “reason” variable) while the date parameter comes second. This caused the data in some tags to swap around. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 08:07, June 11, 2022 (EDT) Text replacement Hi. I noticed that we have 247 cases of ==Name in other languages==, which would normally be ==Names in other languages==. Would it be a good idea to replace them with a bot? --Dine2017 (talk) 10:42, July 26, 2022 (EDT) Order of interwiki links Hi. Is there any way to list the sidebar interwiki links in a consistent order, regardless of their position in the source? The current ordering is a bit inconsistent (compare SNES Battle Course 1 and SNES Battle Course 4). -Dine2017 (talk) 03:51, July 31, 2022 (EDT) Text replacement Hi. Would you mind changing Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! to Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyūshutsu Dai Sakusen! in the mainspace and File namespace? I believe there is no false positive in the File namespace and the only one in the mainspace is the interwiki link [[it:Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen!]] of the subject itself. --Dine2017 (talk) 10:36, August 13, 2022 (EDT) Replacing instances of "NS" with "Switch" do it for "Category:Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (NS) images" too pls :) -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:49, August 23, 2022 (EDT) Text replacement Hi. Would you mind changing ==Reference== to ==References==? I believe there are currently 152 instances of the former. --Dine2017 (talk) 09:50, August 26, 2022 (EDT) Text replacement Hi. Could you change [[List of games# followed by four digits to [[List of games by date# followed by the same digits These changes target things like this: |first_appearance=''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'' ([[List of games#1996|1996]]) |latest_appearance=''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions]]'' ([[List of games#2017|2017]]) --Dine2017 (talk) 01:19, August 30, 2022 (EDT) Bot work again Hi, would you mind running the bot to change every instance of {{button|ns| to {{button|switch|? Thanks! (T|C) 08:23, September 1, 2022 (EDT) I ran this when I updated the template. Where are you seeing the old syntax? EDIT: Found some that were missed and fixed them. --Steve (talk) 08:44, September 1, 2022 (EDT) {{hover}} Hi. Regarding your recent use of the bot to propagate the {{hover}} template, there are still a few cases which can be covered. By the way, SMW:JP#General rules is still instructing editors to use the old syntax -- does that need to be updated too? --Dine2017 (talk) 09:23, September 16, 2022 (EDT) Finished the proposal railing against Mario Kart console abbreviation titles You can view it here. (T|C) 15:44, September 20, 2022 (EDT) Where's the proposed solution? I can image you'd want to move Wii Maple Treeway to Maple Treeway, but what about something like SNES Rainbow Road? Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart) doesn't work since it appears in multiple games in addition to Super Mario Kart; perhaps Rainbow Road (SNES)? I suppose that could be two separate options. "Rainbow Road (Super Mario Kart)" might actually work in theory (contrary to your claim) since it originates from Super Mario Kart and would be differentiated from other courses in the same series; as an example, we already have Warp Space (Mario Party 4) differentiated from Warp Space (Mario Party 10) despite the former space also appearing in Mario Party: Island Tour. (T|C) 15:58, September 20, 2022 (EDT) Oh yeah I talked about that in my last comment here. I will move those away from game identifiers since the appear in multiple games. --Steve (talk) 16:04, September 20, 2022 (EDT) To briefly delve into that other topic though, what other possible identifier could be used for the two Warp Spaces? They have distinguishing functions so specific (to another player's space vs. to another Warp Space) that I don't think type identifiers would work in that case. (T|C) 16:08, September 20, 2022 (EDT) "Category:Kinder Chocolate images" & "Category:Artwork by Masanori Sato" Can you please move these to "Category:Kinder images" and "Category:Masanori Sato images"? "Kinder Chocolate" is the name of a particular line of products under the Kinder brand, not the brand itself, and the current wiki coverage of Kinder doesn't concern it. The other category is named so because, I think, at the time I created it, I wasn't aware the titles of the other "Images by artist" categories had been recast; I apologise for that. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 09:37, September 30, 2022 (EDT) Chuckster Forgive me if this is off the beaten path, but is it true you once said "chuckster" should be split from Pianta? Just want to make sure the latter comment of this proposal stands. Nightwicked Bowser 06:15, October 9, 2022 (EDT) Yes that's true, and that piece of porplemontage lore can be found here. In general I'm pro-split (I'd rather have many smaller articles with some breathing room than big articles where you have to hunt down the information), and especially so when a subject has a distinct name or term for it. Here's our average Google position for the query "chuckster" (1 is best). After being brutally owned by FANDOM for years (since their article came first), we've actually been creeping up the past few months and could be on the cusp of something great. A merge to Pianta would be a surrender in this fight since having an article with the matching title is what allows it to be close in the first place. I encourage everyone to be mindful of how discrete articles help search engine discoverability before voting to merge any article, not just chuckster. --Steve (talk) 11:17, October 9, 2022 (EDT) As of now I'm not firm on one option or the other in that proposal (inclined towards keeping chucksters split), but I really don't think search rankings make a particularly strong argument in the face of an encyclopedia's bid for veracity. I really don't mean to offend, but given your position as site proprietor I'm assuming ulterior motives with this proposition. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 11:45, October 9, 2022 (EDT) I guess the reason I provide this info is for some broader context. The wiki doesn't exist in a vacuum. The real-world truth is that people find our articles through Google, and I thought our editors liked having their work found and read, liked outperforming FANDOM, etc. If these things aren't of significant importance or persuasive to you then so be it. --Steve (talk) 12:31, October 9, 2022 (EDT) MarioWiki:Article size Hey can you remove the part on this policy that says "This policy does not apply to list or table pages such as Places and Trophy Descriptions (Super Smash Bros. Brawl), just actual articles."? my proposal to remove that text passed but I can't edit the page. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 11:05, November 7, 2022 (EST) Thanks so much. Don't know why that outdated exception existed in the first place, but I'm glad it's gone! S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 11:13, November 7, 2022 (EST) Furigana A while ago, you had <span class="explain"title="[H]">[K]</span> replaced with {{hover|[K]|[H]}} which I thought was more accessible. However, I wasn't aware that the wiki was capable of displaying furigana properly until I noticed it here, where it seems to look like <rb>K</rb><rt>H</rt>. Would you be able to script something conveniently similar to hover but explicitly meant for showing furigana? Also, on a semi-related note, do you have any thoughts on this? LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:06, November 30, 2022 (EST) So now we have {{hover|[K]|[H]}} ([K]) and {{ruby|[K]|[H]}} ([K][H]). Should be easy enough to switch between them. I don't have a preference for which is used or any thoughts on the diff you've linked since I'm out of my depth when it comes to Japanese :) --Steve (talk) 10:49, November 30, 2022 (EST) Fix the Rename template Will you please do me a favor and replace {{#if:{{{2|}}}|([[:{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}#{{{2}}}|discuss]]) with {{#if:{{{2|}}}|([[:{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}#{{{2}}}|discuss]])}} on the {{move}} template? GuntherBayBeee Ruby Minor issue but is there any way to code Template:Ruby so that when you highlight it the hirigana doesn't get highlighted along with the kanji, like how it happened with Template:Hover? S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 18:12, January 7, 2023 (EST) Yeah I don't think that worked, I can still highlight the hirigana when the ruby template is used. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 08:40, January 8, 2023 (EST) I added the special Safari CSS for it, but it doesn't seem to actually work, so that one's on Apple --Steve (talk) 09:10, January 8, 2023 (EST) Template:WWGIT fit pipes I made this template to check whether a given value matches a character's name when called in Template:WWGIT fit (the "parent" template) and decide whether to create a piped link based on that. However, it appears that, whenever the parent template locates a true #ifeq expression from "WWGIT fit pipe", it splices the second entered string and the truth value to create the link instead of using just the truth value, e.g. for "Young Cricket", the link becomes "Young CricketYoung Cricket & Master Mantis" instead of Young Cricket & Master Mantis. Do you know what causes this? -- KOOPA CON CARNE 10:27, January 20, 2023 (EST) Proposal approval There's a proposal that is a week old. Maybe you should approve it. GuntherBayBeee If there's a proposal that's past the deadline date, you can archive it yourself. Nightwicked Bowser 12:20, February 3, 2023 (EST) Your thoughts on Visual Editor Just for the record, is it possible to make a Visual Editor for this wiki, and do you think it is or isn't a good idea? Just asking because of the situation that was brought up in this currently active proposal regarding the topic. S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 13:12, February 25, 2023 (EST) It's not currently technically feasible. I've done testing with it on the wiki, and trying to visual-edit large articles like Mario caused server CPU usage to spike and the visual editor eventually hit a 30-second timeout. Not good for server stability. However, I'm planning on migrating the site to an upgraded server early next year. I think there's a good chance it will be doable on the new hardware, but I have to test it first. In terms of want/desire for it, I'm not really a huge fan, but if it runs well on the new server and the community wants it, then I think we can make it work. One aspect of it is TemplateData, which makes templates user-friendly to visual editor users. If we do decide to install the visual editor, then we should take it seriously and plan on adding TemplateData to as many of our templates as we can. This is a project I'd like the proposer and community to keep in mind when voting and help with if it were to pass. So I guess the order has to be this: 1) Wait until the new server in 2024. 2) I'll test the visual editor and see if performance is acceptable. 3) If it's doable, community proposal and discussion on the matter can proceed. --Steve (talk) 15:34, February 25, 2023 (EST) Visual Editor proposal Commenters at the Visual Editor proposal made a good point that I should have asked you first if this proposal is acceptable or not. If not, I'm ready to cancel it. Spectrogram (talk) 07:41, February 26, 2023 (EST) Yes, based on the above section it will have to be canceled now, with the possibility of revisiting next year. --Steve (talk) 10:57, February 26, 2023 (EST) Question Hi there, This user threatened to report me if I undo their edits. It stemmed from a misunderstanding over at the Mario Mover Gallery. It truly was not my intention to cause any trouble, I'm just doing my best to clarify the context of the art. I have also messaged a couple of pratrollers about it, but have not heard anything back. I don't want to come across as spamming this message, I just wanted to get the word out and I don't want to cause anymore trouble. Thank you and hope everything can be sorted out! Sdman213 (talk) 10:26, March 9, 2023 (EST) Super Mario Mirage for April Fools Day Hello Porplemontage, Happy Mario Day! I want Super Mario Mirage for April Fools Day on this wiki. Thanks. 36.85.218.108 00:00, March 10, 2023 (EST) Mario Day ended, but I still want Super Mario Mirage for April Fools Day on this wiki. Thanks. 36.85.218.108 00:00, March 11, 2023 (EST) CSS table width Hi. This edit forced tables to appear 1px narrower than their natural width. It seems that this hack was added to fix something, but unfortunately it caused another problem: {| class=wikitable ! Test 1 | The quick brown fox |} normally displays as +--------+---------------------+ | Test 1 | The quick brown fox | +--------+---------------------+ Now it displays as something like +------+----------------------+ | Test | The quick brown | | 1 | fox | +------+----------------------+ To see the effect on real articles, see Three Beautiful Sisters#Felissa T. At least on my computer (Chrome on Windows 10) the "ー[1]" of "チェリー[1]" is moved one line down, even though the page is wide enough to set the name horizontally. Is there any way to avoid this? --Dine2017 (talk) 23:04, March 31, 2023 (EDT) SmashWiki seems to have problems with internet trolls using ip addresses to repeatedly ban evade and vandalize. Given that many Discord servers require a phone number before you can post in them, how would it be easy to require each account and IP address here to submit sensitive personal info such as bank card numbers, drivers license or government issued ID or phone numbers in order to edit? MarioWiki itself wouldn’t use the data for any reason outside of logging it in a database to auto detect bans. Would it be difficult to verify info such as if bank numbers is real or something or would it result in hackers who hack into MarioWiki itself gaining access to your data? This would also ensure that if an user is banned here, then tries to edit using an IP address, the info they provide would automatically flag and ban them instead of us having to do the annoying process of detecting if they are the same user. Remembered Old Buddy 10:04, April 19, 2023 (EDT) There are many things that can be done to lock-down a wiki, but generally a conscious decision is made to keep things open and revert vandalism rather than have a restrictive system. --Steve (talk) 10:52, April 19, 2023 (EDT) MarioWiki Namespace Shortcuts Why exactly were all the "MW:[TEXT]" redirects removed? I see the bot moved all instances of them to a "SMW:[TEXT]" title, but that also doesn't show up in the search results. Never mind, they still exist. They just don't pop up in the search bar unless you type the full thing anymore.S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 16:50, April 19, 2023 (EDT) Text replacement Can you change all instances of [[Category:Super Mario World: Mario & Yoshi's Adventure Land images]] to [[Category:Super Mario World: Mario to Yoshi no Bōken Land images]]? There are 51 images under the old category. Thanks! - RHG1951 (talk) 20:43, April 20, 2023 (EDT) Age template I had an idea to update the template, also I updated on Wikipedia a bit. I believe there are more users that born in 1999 than 1989 on this wiki. Which is better, 1972 at time of 1986, or 1999 at time of 2013? Whether the status quo is better? Windy (talk) 18:06, April 26, 2023 (EDT) Since it's just an example, it doesn't really matter what years are used, so it's fine to leave as-is. --Steve (talk) 08:37, May 8, 2023 (EDT) pls halp How do I change the colour of image frames in my monobook? -- KOOPA CON CARNE 22:27, May 7, 2023 (EDT) Edit: And is it possible to change the colour of the navigation/tool boxes on the left side of the web page? -- KOOPA CON CARNE 22:33, May 7, 2023 (EDT) I suggest you familiarize yourself with your browser's "inspect element" (Ctrl+Shift+C) to see what selector MediaWiki uses for styling a given element. div.thumbinner { color: white; border-color: red; background-color: blue; } body.skin--responsive .pBody, body:not(.skin--responsive) .pBody { border-color: green; background-color: orange; } And in case you didn't know, "Show preview" can be used on your CSS page to test changes to elements visible on that page. --Steve (talk) 08:37, May 8, 2023 (EDT) And I suggest you drop the condescending attitude. I know about the preview function on that page, the problem is that there are many elements that cannot be previewed in there, and no "Preview X page" exists on my end to aid me with that (templates have it, on the other hand). The only conducive thing I could do was repeatedly save my changes. I'm also using inspect element on the regular when I extract certain web content for documentation, it just didn't occur to me I could do so here too... -- KOOPA CON CARNE 08:59, May 8, 2023 (EDT) I'm not trying to have any attitude; sorry if it came off that way. --Steve (talk) 09:03, May 8, 2023 (EDT) My reaction was overblown. I construed the previewing function as obvious enough not to merit an explanation, hence why I thought you were being facetious with that piece of advice, but I've come to accept that you were genuinely trying to help. I was an asshat. Please accept my sincere apologies. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 10:17, May 8, 2023 (EDT) All good! --Steve (talk) 09:53, May 9, 2023 (EDT) Text replacement Can you make the following changes: [[Ashley & Red|Ashley]] into [[Ashley]] [[Ashley & Red|Red]] into [[Red (WarioWare series)|Red]] As of this moment, 283 pages still link to Ashley & Red and the above changes should take care of most of them. Thanks! - RHG1951 (talk) 20:06, May 15, 2023 (EDT) Help Some of users seem that dissatisfied with editing the year from the age template from SmashWiki. A conflict of opinion has occured. Please help. Also, please unprotect the age template from this wiki. ADD: The template is too outdated and I updated it. (In Wikipedia, it was written in 2006, but this is so obsolete that it needs an update in our wiki. Here) Windy (talk) 07:4409:33, May 24, 2023 (EDT) A decision has been made. Let's set as August 12, 2005, Mariowiki's found date, as an example of an Age template. And the second date is 35th anniversary of Super Mario Bros. date, September 13, 2020. Example: {{age|August 12, 2005|September 13, 2020}} Windy (talk) 10:36, May 24, 2023 (EDT) On this wiki, the template will remain protected and any changes to the example will be the staff's decision to make. Please do not suggest any more changes to it. On SmashWiki, you should listen to the admins. --Steve (talk) 12:55, May 24, 2023 (EDT) Thank you for change to more important date on Mariowiki! I'll look for a suitable answer on Smashwiki. Windy (talk) 13:14, May 24, 2023 (EDT) After block expired on Smashwiki, I didn't checked the messages from Discord (before joining), and I said nonsense on talk page and I was blocked with unpleasant remarks. My weird obsession with that template must be gone off. Can I ask you one thing; can you update and protect the template from Smashwiki? I couldn't sleep properly. I'll listen to what the admin says. Thank you. Windy (talk) 10:50, June 2, 2023 (EDT) I will leave that to the SmashWiki admins to decide. Let's try to keep this talk page focused on the Super Mario Wiki; any SmashWiki matters should stay on SmashWiki. Thanks! --Steve (talk) 12:46, June 2, 2023 (EDT) I'll focus on this wiki and not to deviate from it. However, I can't say anything because I'm afraid that I'll be cussed by admins, please quietly improve any templates across multiple wikis. Thanks for discussion. Windy (talk) 13:10, June 2, 2023 (EDT) Proposal on allowing fanon content Last year on June 18, the Drawn to Life Wiki allowed fanon content on that wiki under the Fanon namespace. This time, I want to make a proposal on allowing fanon content on the Super Mario Wiki. You will be able to either create the "Fanon:Home" namespace if you want to or know how to create custom namespaces or create "MarioWiki:Fanon" if you cannot create any new namespaces. Lastly, the Content category will receive a subcategory known as Category:Fanon, which consists of the subcategories Category:Original characters, Category:Theories, Category:Alternate universes, Category:Fanfiction, and, via the {{fanon-image}} template, Category:Fanon images. For example, fanon pages respectively about moves, galleries, events, game mechanics, diseases, bestiaries, histories, pre-release and unused content, staff, consoles, and implied elements each belong to the "Theories" category, fanon pages respectively about characters, allies, and bosses belong to the "Original characters" category, fanon pages about third-party elements belong to the "Alternate universe" category, and fanon pages about fan history and fan-made media belong to the "Fanfiction" category. May I please make the proposal on allowing fanon content on the wiki? GuntherBayBeee 15:30, June 5, 2023 (EDT) Unfortunately that would be a potentially big scope expansion into a content area that I'm just not looking to get the wiki involved with, so I'm sorry to say I would veto that proposal. I would encourage the Pikipedia/Pikmin Fanon model and go for a separate wiki. Check out the NIWA Discord server or maybe a site like Miraheze to get started. --Steve (talk) 16:10, June 5, 2023 (EDT) Democracy I checked who the proprietor is and I found it is you. My proposal got closed because they say it's your decision, and I'm beginning to worry that democracy here is under threat. As a consequence, please let me make a proposal where consensus will decide if you should add cat photos to your userpage. CoolNintendo (talk) 10:42, June 19, 2023 (EDT) Oh sorry i read rule 17, never mind i can respect that CoolNintendo (talk) 10:49, June 19, 2023 (EDT) Hidden orphaned pages Hello! As of now, Special:LonelyPages is empty. However, there is a slight problem with that. It appears it considers any page "not orphaned" that is linked to from other namespaces outside of (Main) or Gallery: (File:, User:, Talk:, etc). The pages that are actually orphaned, that are only linked to from file descriptions or talk page discussions, simply don't show up. Would it be possible for you to change that? Thanks in advance, Spectrogram (talk) 14:50, June 28, 2023 (EDT) I might be able to do this, not sure, but if I am then I'll implement it. --Steve (talk) 20:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT) Unusual bot request Hello, I made a couple mistakes in the documentation while mass-uploading some .gifs. Can we have |4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order 1-2-3-4-3-2, frame delay 13) changed to |4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order 1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2, frame delay 13) and |4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order (1*6)-2-3-(4*6), frame delay 13) changed to |4=Cropped and animated to match in-game appearance (frame order (1*6)-2-3-4-(5*6), frame delay 13) ? Thanks. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT) While on that subject, is there any way to make the "upload by URL" not automatically populate (and irreversibly overwrite) the filename bar? Because when uploading via discord link (which I do frequently), all that does is add two extra steps to an already tedious process where I have to move it to the file description section to avoid it being lost. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT) Unfortunately that's very much a built-in MediaWiki thing, but I did have an idea for you. You could temporarily disable your browser's JavaScript next time you have a batch of uploads to prevent the autofill from happening. --Steve (talk) 20:54, June 28, 2023 (EDT) Template question Hello, Let's say I have a template with three parameters, designated A, B, and C. When I give them values, the template produces the following: This is a two-column list A B C Now, if I give B and C values but I don't give parameter A any value, I want the values of B and C to move one space up the list, such that B supersedes A, and C moves to the left column, like so: This is a two-column list B C How do I program a template to do this? If I just nest "if" expressions in each parameter definition so that the next parameter is displayed in its place if it's not given any value, said next parameter is going to repeat on the following spot in the list anyway, like so: This is a two-column list B B C And that's an utter programming n00b move. Is there a wiki function that recognises whether a parameter had already been filled on the same template, and does something based on that? -- KOOPA CON CARNE 20:08, July 2, 2023 (EDT) I don't know of a wiki function that would make this easy. Ideally you'd want to design the template in a more forgiving way, like this: {| style="border:solid black" |'''This is a two-column list''' |- |<div style="column-count:2"><!-- -->{{#if:{{{A|}}}|*{{{A}}}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{B|}}}|*{{{B}}}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{C|}}}|*{{{C}}}}}<!-- --></div> |} If this doesn't help, I think I could be more useful if I knew more about the template you're working on. --Steve (talk) 23:36, July 2, 2023 (EDT) I wasn't aware of the "column-count" attribute; that actually solves my problem partially, thanks! Having created the template in question, two issues remain: the template may split the text in one entry between two columns. Here, for instance, the German text is moved to the column on the right while its heading stays on the left. if multiple parameters in a row aren't filled in, the result is a jarring empty space where the next item on the list should be. For instance, if the Kor and Por parameters (both immediately following the Ita parameter) are left out, you can notice an empty space between the Italian and Spanish entries: Two-column list: English: english Japanese: japanese Simplified Chinese: simplified chinese Traditional Chinese: traditional chinese French: french German: german Italian: italian Spanish (Latin America): spanish (latam) Spanish (Europe): spanish (europe) -- KOOPA CON CARNE 07:22, July 3, 2023 (EDT) Thank you! -- KOOPA CON CARNE 12:34, July 3, 2023 (EDT) A question regarding your server storage As you're already aware, lately I've been updating various articles on Mario Kart Tour subjects with in-game blurbs. Because the game only provides these to the end user for a relatively brief period of time, not everyone has ready access to the game's files, and there aren't always video recordings of this information available online to cite, I've taken upon myself to take screenshots featuring these blurbs and upload them to the wiki to act as citations. My concern is that the number of screenshots I have uploaded and will continue to upload is... quite large, to say the least. Each item has a blurb localised in 11 languages, meaning I have to upload 11 screenshots at once for a single item. The game currently has 265 drivers, 336 karts, and 225 gliders, totalling 826. Not nearly as many items have been given blurbs, but let's assume all of them have. Each screenshot, when optimised with TinyPNG, ends up being an average of 160kb; times 11, that's 1.76mb of material uploaded for 1 item; times the number of items shown above, that's 1453.76mb worth of content in our scenario. Considering the wiki has around 70GB of media files as of writing, would you be ok with a potential 1.5 gb more to the wiki's storage, or would you prefer I found another way to cite the information mentioned above? -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:46, July 17, 2023 (EDT) That's no problem - we have enough storage for it! --Steve (talk) 16:43, July 17, 2023 (EDT) Something... Didn't Alex95 get demoted? Why is his name still green in the "Who's online" section of Recent Changes? -- FanOfYoshi 11:18, July 31, 2023 (EDT) Your custom CSS makes him green. --Steve (talk) 11:19, July 31, 2023 (EDT) Mobile view issues Since this morning on mobile view, the text in sections wouldn't appear in a page until refreshing a few times, and also don't appear while previewing. Nightwicked Bowser 07:43, August 5, 2023 (EDT) Hello. The wiki software was updated this morning. Does it work after clearing your browser cache? --Steve (talk) 08:22, August 5, 2023 (EDT) I cleared my browsing history and previewing still doesn't work. Nightwicked Bowser 08:48, August 5, 2023 (EDT) I'm not able to reproduce any issues with preview. Can you send a screenshot of what it looks like broken? --Steve (talk) 09:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT) Looks like it's been fixed now, thanks very much. Nightwicked Bowser 13:43, August 5, 2023 (EDT) On another note, is it possible to run a bot changing "Darkmess Portal" to the lowercase "Darkmess portal"? The reason being because the lowercase "p" is used in-game in Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope. There are still lots of usage of the capital "P" around articles, including in links. Nightwicked Bowser 20:54, August 5, 2023 (EDT) File:Personal-image.png Should it be updated? Since it obviously uses outdated CGI, or is that unecessary? -- FanOfYoshi 12:07, August 5, 2023 (EDT) If someone wants to provide an updated File:Personal-image.png and matching File:Personal-image-sig.png as a proposal or something then that's great. --Steve (talk) 12:48, August 5, 2023 (EDT) Mobile View Issues I don't know why so much of the display code was removed, but now the wiki pages look weird on my end. The infoboxes and galleries are all left-aligned, the navigation boxes and collapsed sections of infoboxes are only partially colored (only coloring the area around the text while the outline extends to the full part of the page), and the "compare differences" menu is completely vertical (which takes up more space than before). Was this intentional? S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 14:24, August 7, 2023 (EDT) It should go back to normal soon when your browser cache refreshes. --Steve (talk) 14:39, August 7, 2023 (EDT) Yeah that worked, it looks normal now. Thanks for letting me know! S o m e t h i n g o n e ! 14:49, August 7, 2023 (EDT) Error code: Plessie My userpage keeps signing me out when I save changes I've made to it. It keeps saying Error code: Plessie. What does that mean and how do I get it to stop happening?-- Pizza Master 15:47, August 16, 2023 (EDT) I've made my changes. If this happens again, What should I do? Wait until later to come back and make edits? Or should I contact you again?-- Pizza Master 16:33, August 16, 2023 (EDT) Special:Diff/3982300 I need to fix my status template, but i can't seem to figure out how to do so. -- FanOfYoshi 10:19, August 27, 2023 (EDT) Tetris 99 page on Mario Wiki I was just asking for a request to the Porple Bot. We have now a guest article for Tetris 99, the bot should replace all mention of ''{{wp|Tetris 99}}'' with ''[[Tetris 99]]''  PnnyCrygr  05:28, September 5, 2023 (EDT) Div class (Halloween) Hello, Porple. I would like to impliment a background for my userpage, specifically a halloween one (pumpkins, perhaps?). What would be the codes for this? -- FanOfYoshi 09:29, September 22, 2023 (EDT) Background images require CSS and that's not really supported here for user pages. I would suggest a solid color background and you can place Halloween graphics throughout the page. <div style="color:white;background:black"> ...userpage content... </div> --Steve (talk) 11:34, September 22, 2023 (EDT) IIRC, there were graphics from the Pumpkin Goombas from SMG, but that could just be my memory. Thanks for the help anyway! -- FanOfYoshi 11:41, September 22, 2023 (EDT) Change in the names of Crossover Characters Hello, this is the first time I've requested the use of PorpleBot, so I apologize if I forgot anything. A past proposal has decided that the page names of various crossover characters should be shortened. I have moved the relevant pages and edited their templates, but I need PorpleBot to replace all their respective links across the wiki. The pages affected were Fox, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow (character), Vector, Blaze, Silver, Rouge, Espio, Jet (Sonic the Hedgehog), Wave (character), Omega, Sticks, Cream (character), Charmy and Big (character). I'm not sure if I need to specify any other details, thank you for the help! — Lady Sophie (T|C) 13:40, September 24, 2023 (EDT) There are a few stragglers but the bot got the vast majority of article links. --Steve (talk) 15:38, September 28, 2023 (EDT) Question about MIDI sampling Is it allowed to use MIDI files converted to mp3 or oga? I'd like to fix a mistake/ommission on the SMW Overworld sample. -- FanOfYoshi 13:39, September 28, 2023 (EDT) Sure, there's nothing wrong with converting media files to one of the wiki's supported formats. --Steve (talk) 15:38, September 28, 2023 (EDT) Confused about this change I guess this probably came about from Super Mario Bros. Wonder, but...I disagree with it being done this way. I know there's been public discussions on what to do with game filenames, and of the two proposals that got canceled, the latter was leaning in the direction of doing something about internal data with the development tier in the comments. Reclassifying game ("internal") data from development names to website ("external") filenames conflicts with at least two proposals: the encyclopedia one specifically outlines that Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia remains a lower priority than internal names, citing the Lumacomète example as a reason, and in the website proposal, no one was conflating game filenames with website filenames, and rather, there seemed to be general agreement of keeping them both distinguishable. Plus, there are cases where the unused data/string is not necessarily a filename or even "internal" per se. It's a weird technicality. As unrelated as possible: if there is a question we want to ask more privately, would the best way to do it be via forum DM? LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:41, November 4, 2023 (EDT) Sure you can DM me. I only did that change because the page mentioned website files but said nothing about game files. Given that we are creating articles based on game files, surely they should be mentioned somewhere in the policy and be a part of that hierarchy. I don't personally care where they fall; I can move the mention to number 5. --Steve (talk) 13:56, November 4, 2023 (EDT) Tabber There is discussion and proposals going on about extensive use of the tabber template. I am aware you said before that you didn't like it being used here. I was wondering if your thoughts on it are the same as then or if they have changed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:13, November 13, 2023 (EST) I personally hate tabber and I think it's gimmicky. I'd rather just pick an image and cover the rest of the variations in the article body. Regardless of my feelings, I added it after the result of a democratic proposal (this isn't a dictatorship). Regarding the JavaScript point: I can have the tabber fail in one of two ways: (1) only show the first image, or (2) show all the images. #1 is good if the additional images can be considered supplemental and hiding them isn't going to conceal important stuff from the user (for example, if those images also appear elsewhere in the article). #2 can make the infobox look kinda silly, but I agree that it makes more sense to use it if the images don't appear anywhere else in the articles so we don't degrade what those users are seeing. Given that several articles have removed images from the article body and put them in the infobox, I switched the failure method to #2. --Steve (talk) 10:33, November 13, 2023 (EST) Bowser's Muscle Car I recently moved the Koopa Chase to its new official English name, would it be possible to use porplebot to replace the remaining links? — Lady Sophie (T|C) 18:36, November 16, 2023 (EST) KannonBot May the PorpleBot please change all instances of "[[kannon (cannon)|kannon]]" to "[[cannon|kannon]]" and "[[kannonball]]" to "[[cannonball|kannonball]]"? The pages were just merged. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:28, November 24, 2023 (EST) And now "[[Gobblegut (Black)]]" to "[[Gobblegut|Gobblegut (Black)]]" and "[[Gobblegut (Black)|Gobblegut]]" to"[[Gobblegut]]". Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:04, December 2, 2023 ...and now "[[Mecha Bowser]]" to "[[Bowser Statue|Mecha Bowser]]" and </nowiki>"[[Mecha Bowser|</nowiki>" to "[[Bowser Statue|". Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:32, December 2, 2023 (EST) ...and now I need Fiery Dino Piranha deleted, Fiery Dino Piranha (mission) moved to its place, all links to the former directed to Dino Piranha, and all links to the latter changed to the former. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:38, December 14, 2023 (EST) Power Shots The Power Shot article has been split between Power Shot (Mario Golf series) and Power Shot (Mario Tennis series), while Offensive Power Shot and Defensive Power Shot were both merged into Power Shot (Mario Tennis series). I believe I have fixed all of the redirects created in the Golf series articles, but there are far too many Tennis series articles to edit manually. Would it be possible to use PorpleBot to fix those redirects? — Lady Sophie (T|C) 12:06, December 5, 2023 (EST) Citation templates Hello, Porplemontage. Since we do not have any citation templates, I used a cite web template onto my sandbox called cite web. Although, since there is no category, I think we could have Citation templates as one. What do you suggest? Derekblue1(talk) 09:36, December 13, 2023 (EST) Hey. Citation templates is certainly a good category name if we were to have at least a few of them (if it's just one it could probably be tossed in formatting templates), but that template would go against this proposal, so you'd need to do a new proposal to overturn that one before the template could be moved to the template namespace or used. While I have you here: Note that the changes to MarioWiki:Article size were designed to make it less definitive and more discussion-based: 150 kB is simply when split consideration starts, but if it's decided to keep an article larger than that, that's allowed. That's not to say an article like Toad (species) couldn't be split into History of Toads just above 150K - Yoshi was actually split just under 150K months ago without complaint (so that's why the threshold was increased to 150K, since splitting at or around 100K didn't feel right to a lot of users while a 150K split was seemingly non-controversial, but in addition to the increase it's now meant to be an open discussion rather than a hard and fast rule). Thanks! --Steve (talk) 10:08, December 13, 2023 (EST) Oh. Thank you for telling me about the failed proposal of citation templates. Let us see how the future proposal goes, but I will accept the fate if it does not come through. For the article size question response, it took me a few hours to understand what you meant but I finally understand you are saying that splitting articles is meant to be an open discussion; that should show why Template:Split is there in the first place. I was excited to split pages straight away because they fit the 100kB threshold. That is when I ended up splitting up a few articles that have not been discussed in the first place until Mario reminded me on the wall that I stopped. Now I understand, for the Toad species, it is better to put a Split template and discuss user thoughts of splitting this. Derekblue1(talk) 19:23, December 13, 2023 (EST) After reading the proposal, I can see where they got the MarioWiki:Citations, so I think it was resolved that they choose not to have a template but a policy. According to some people, the proposal looked forced to tell others to use the citation templates for "professionalism". I will cancel the cite web template idea. Derekblue1(talk) 22:45, December 13, 2023 (EST) Koopa Troop weapons category Per this proposal, Category:Koopa Troop weapons is to be deleted. Is it possible to run a bot removing this category from all pages that have it? Nightwicked Bowser 12:47, December 23, 2023 (EST) Proposal There's a proposal that is nine days old. Can you mark the proposal as passed? GuntherBayBeee 10:08, December 30, 2023 (EST) For clarity's sake, I just archived it. As stated above, you can also archive proposals that have reached their deadline yourself. Power Flotzo (talk) 06:42, December 31, 2023 (EST) Mass editing request I would like to request that the string: ''[[Mario Kart Tour]]''|4=Optimized with TinyPNG found across the file pages of hundreds of Mario Kart Tour screenshots (such as File:MKT Tour101 Spotlight Shop Flowery Badwagon.jpg) be replaced with: ''[[Mario Kart Tour]]''<br>Screenshot taken on Redmi Note 10 Pro|4=Cropped at photopea.com, then optimized with TinyPNG The layout of the elements shown in these screenshots may adapt to the device's screen size, and I think it's best if the device is mentioned for verifiability and such. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:53, January 18, 2024 (EST) Thank -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:20, January 18, 2024 (EST) Request Thanks for helping me, however, can I please have my original username WaluigiMan10000 back with my current password? User:WarioDude Navtemplate colors Hi, should the navtemplate for Princess Peach: Showtime! use the same color scheme as the one for Super Princess Peach? I just ask because it's not yet brought up at MarioWiki:Navigation templates and it would make the most sense since both are the only games where Peach is treated as the primary protagonist. (T|C) 17:23, February 23, 2024 (EST) Yes, sounds good. I've renamed the class from spp to peach to generalize it for more uses. --Steve (talk) 17:47, February 23, 2024 (EST) Vector 2022 bug Hi. Why does this page look so strange? https://www.mariowiki.com/Donut_Block?useskin=vector-2022 It seems that if a page has at least four headings, and one of them has an unclosed italics '', such as: ==''a== ==b== ==c== ==d== then the following HTML will be output under the Vector 2022 skin: <i> <div class="mw-content-container">...</div> <div class="mw-footer-container">...</div> </i> The effect of the extraneous <i> is to make the whole page italic and extremely narrow. --Dine2017 (talk) 06:17, March 17, 2024 (EDT) It seems fine on Wikipedia, so the fix should eventually make its way downstream to us. In the meantime, those tags should be closed anyway. --Steve (talk) 11:27, March 17, 2024 (EDT) Fandom interwiki link Can you please change the URL that the [[wikia:c:<wiki>]] interwiki link generates from https://community.fandom.com/wiki/c:<wiki> to https://<wiki>.fandom.com? Thanks! GuntherBayBeee 13:45, March 21, 2024 (EDT) That is not possible due to how Special:Interwiki works. Luckily we can use {{fandom}} instead. --Steve (talk) 14:06, March 21, 2024 (EDT) So are you going to remove the [[w:c:<wiki>]] interwiki link if the proposal here gets declined, since Fandom's interwiki link had problems in the past? GuntherBayBeee 12:28, March 22, 2024 (EDT) No, I don't plan on it. While I would encourage articles to use {{fandom}}, the wikia interwiki is a pretty standard one to have and it's fine to have for backwards-compatibility, use in the userspace, etc. --Steve (talk) 13:37, March 22, 2024 (EDT) Bot request .''. --> .'' .]]. --> .]] .]]''. --> .]]'' RickTommy (talk) 20:16, March 26, 2024 (EDT) A bot request Per this proposal, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass is to be italicised in full, but it seems to still not be consistently enforced. Could you run a bot to change the following? Booster Course Pass -> ''Booster Course Pass'' ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' – Booster Course Pass -> ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass'' [[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass|Booster Course Pass]] -> ''[[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass|Booster Course Pass]]'' [[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass|''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' – Booster Course Pass]] -> ''[[Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass]]'' Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 20:38, April 13, 2024 (EDT) Thanks for doing most of these, but it seems the first one (unlinked "Booster Course Pass", without "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe –" before it) still hasn't been changed. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 15:58, April 29, 2024 (EDT) Ruby template Hi, just letting you know of a certain comment (permalink) left on my talk page just now. To summarize, the {{ruby}} template apparently displays text too small for it to be readable on Chrome, and DandelionSprout suggested that the text size on the template be changed to 67% of the standard font size. (T|C) 20:05, April 16, 2024 (EDT) More specifically, to change it from MediaWiki's ruby standard of "font-size: 50px", to 67%. DandelionSprout (talk) 20:13, April 16, 2024 (EDT) Potential mass-conversion of YouTube links from HTTP→HTTPS with bot(s) From a sample of a mere 27 games (the ones in Category:Wii U games), 21 (± 1) YouTube links in the articles were still written within the articles as http://. If the statistic holds true for the 28,610 pages that are listed on the front page, this would result in Mario Wiki as a whole needing to convert a low-to-medium four-digit amount of links. Manually converting each link on each page would not be realistically possible, unfortunately. I've built up some RegEx skills over the years, and if PorpleBot uses the syntax I've seen used for wiki bots, i.e. "$1" instead of "\1", I propose adding ([\=]|//|\s{1,})http://(www\.|m\.)?youtube\.com/ → $1https://www.youtube.com/ to the bot. Starting with YouTube links would in theory an easy starting point, as its video IDs have remained unchanged for each video for almost two decades, whereas sites like IGN and Gamespot are much more prone to having old links to them end up on 404 pages. YouTube also has full 100.0% support for HTTPS on all of its pages, while many gaming sites and Nintendo official sites have it depend on their sites' sections. DandelionSprout (talk) 02:46, April 26, 2024 (EDT) I did something which will automatically update the YouTube links, and many more, to HTTPS without needing to edit anything. --Steve (talk) 10:23, April 26, 2024 (EDT) Undeletion/un-delete template request Recently, a user went on a frenzy marking Smash redirects and miscellaneous pages for deletion due to misinterpreting a proposal (as clarified by the original proposer, they just wanted categories removed), and one of the sysops deleted several of them. Can a bot remove those templates and someone undelete (and restore the history of) the erroneously deleted redirects? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:31, April 28, 2024 (EDT) Sandbox has been blocked indefinitely from editing the Super Mario Wiki for vandalizing. See the block log and block time remaining. Recent Comments <showhide>__HIDER__<hide> Archive 1, Plumber Crossing Archive 2, Wayoshi's Island Archive 3, Super Shroobario World Archive 4, WarioLoafWare, Inc. Archive 5, YellowYoshi's Story Archive 6, Pokemon ArendBlue Archive 7, Super 3D RPG: Legend of the 7 Graveyards. Archive 8, DDR: UltimateToad Mix Archive 9, Knife Party 3 Archive 10, Super Luigi's Mansion Archive 11, Purple Yoshi's Island DS Archive 12, Gonzo's Air Ride Archive 13, Super Dry Bones Bros. Archive 14, Pokemon DP Version Archive 15, Unju Adventure 2 Archive 16, Super Paper Jorge Archive 17, Mr. Paper Guy Archive 18, SuperSnackServ Baseball Archive 19, Fantendo's Woods Archive 19, Max's Last Dreamland </hide></showhide> Comic When will your first comic come out? The MissingLink I can't wait! Max speaking of Comics you want to be in the story I'm makeing.--Luigibros2 20:05, 15 September 2007 (EDT) Forum Are you still banned there?F g Why don't you respond back to me?F g You ask, like, a millions of questions each days, it quiclky become annoying to respond to all of them. Glowsquid Hi Max can you make me a animation Thanks SM 97 NSMB Sprites Do yay want some? I can try, but I can't promise I could make you some. I'll leave a message if I successfuly do if you want me to. The thing is you see that Waluigi on the Welcome Banner of my talk/user page? That, I edited from ONE pose to make like 22! One includes that. So, I can try, but again, I can't promise anything. Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some NSMB sprites if I can? EDT2: I might, or maybe I could do how I made a Mini Mario, paste textures on your sprite. Trust me, it'll be fine, and if I do do it, I'll send it on your Talk Page in Userpedia, so be aware. Oh! And good luck starting NSMB srpites. Practice makes perfect! [User:Minimariolover10| Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some tea? I'm working on some! So, in in about 2 hours or so, go to Userpedia where you will get NSMB sprites. Typically, it's sidescrolling. And, since I will be in yours, may you PLZ be in my comic? Sign in at Userpedia plz (Comics:Minimariolover10's Mis-Adventures). [User:Minimariolover10| Minimariolover10]]: Woot :Care for some comics? EDT3: Wait..Id din't get it. You don't want to be i my comic? Oke dokey. And I'm almost done with a sample of your NSMB sprite, if you want to see it. Just need to finish your dice and add more texture to your skin. Do you also want Twink in the sprites? Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea? EDT4: I get it now. Still, you won't be in. But, now where may I hand you a sample if you want to? Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some samples? EDT5: Do I mark it has a personal image of you? Because I have 4 already. Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea? EDT6: I'm going to be a pain and so no. I'm gonna have to post it on Userpedia. Looka t your Talk Page, not reply plz. Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some talk pages? OK, I made a sample of the NSMB you. Tell me if you think it's NSMB styled or not *hueh*. [8] Now that I have one pose, I can do more. Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea? EDT7: But it would be considered pillowed since it's NSMB styled. And, I plan to mak emore maybe tomorrow whenenver you think I should. I gotta do more stuff and such. EDT8: No, I can't on MFGG. But the sheet will be a LONG time, sorry. Maybe in a week. I'm too tempted to edit the Wiki now. Plus I have to make some messages to other users, and I'll get new messages while doing that, so..yeah I'm too busy right now. Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea? EDT9: That took out the exictement. I know. Taking time is in a week! Minimariolover10: Woot :Care for some tea? Nice comic! The MissingLink Can you give me the sprites you used for the class room? go ahead! here: Factory Minis Master Crash No its not a prob, like what i said to Pokemon DP, "Its not just a job, its an adventure!" Master Crash sweet dood. Master Crash oK, there probably won't be alot, geez i wish i had someone to help me, what i'm talking about is all these requests, i got a ton of them, and one by october. Master Crash hey can you please come back to the userpedia? Master Crash you want me to undo all those is that what your saying? Master Crash you want me to block twink!?! isn't he your buddy? Master Crash O so, wait thats just a sockpuppet?!?! if you want this a secret i'll keep it. Master Crash oh and i don't have any recolors, thanks for tehh ofter, and don't feel bad, this is fun! Master Crash ok, so you want me to All of my articles go Buh-Bye. userpage and Talk pages/archives erased User: Agent Not Twink blocked. i thought you were joining! i confused? Master Crash sure! archive time too. Master Crash ok, you want me to delete games too? Master Crash You hop instead of run, is that correct? Because that will make the sheet more easier to do. Minimariolover10 TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Also, is it possible you could make your next archive Mario vs. Donkey Kong: March of Minimariolover10? Minimariolover10 TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! I guess I'll have you run and fly, either know it'll be hard for running because I have to lasso Mario's shoes just right. Minimariolover10 TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Animated Gif I'm deleting my spritesheets and moving them to ImageShack. So, can you make an animated gif of me walking platform style in M&LSS? Go to Moving, Left or Right, I truly donts care. Animate Can u animate this King Mario Weird I just checked on your page are you sure maybe it was just Ur PC King Mario ACK Mediawiki 1.11 *spank* is creating havok on the forum. It deleted all of today's posts! 3D, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Already got one. 3D, whenever I say MediaWiki 1.11 *spank* I say *spank* from now on. whoa, i told you on userpedia. Master Crash Hey i actually do have a recolor, a purple MIPS with a collar that has a c on it. lemme go check the color of the collar. Master Crash Leaving?!? Are you really leaving?F g He'll be back. He didn't delete the talkpages and user page. I think it's what ya do when ya leaving for good. Minimariolover10 TALK TO ME ABOUT MINIES!! Also he probably won't reply to you soon Fg. Oh please be another prank again King Mario I'm not falling for it this time PP Sprite request There ya go Max, if you want I could fix it up a bit... ~Uniju(T-C-E) Can you animate this http://www.picoodle.com/getcode.php?url=img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/9/10/9/f_BTBm_f1b20b5.png&pwidget=&callback=&mode= Thanks :) SM 97 Table Trouble I have a little problem. The Gaming Acheivements section in my homepage has been getting a little long, and I have been wanting to make a table out of them. One part being games I copleted, one part finished games, and the third being for other acheivments. I looked at how it's done on the help section, and saw the table in the Shroom City article as an example, but it just looks too complicated for me. Do you have any advice? Mr.Benio MAX! Come on just tell me if your his friend or not i don`t care if your his friend or not it is not my distion! just tell me you can trust me!come on and pluse you hate fantendo so come on please pretty please with a wii in your room! Princess Birdo Template:Gone Can you please make me a animation Thanks SM 97 HALT! MAX HAVE YOU GONE INSANE!?!?!PLEASE STOP OR YOU WILL BE BLOCKED FOREVER!F g O why are you SPAM >:( O SM 97 Sandbox has been blocked forever from editing the Super Mario Wiki for vandalizing. See the block log and block time remaining. LOL I have to admit your spam was funny.--RapidRocker Brawl FC:4296-2708-0195 12:28, 30 November 2007 (EST) Awww Can't he have a third chance? User:Fly Guy 2 Why does he deserve a third chance? My Bloody Valentine Do you not realize how bad his vandalism was? And why is spam funny?(Toadbert101|Hohoho!|Give a yell|Sez:Merry Christmas!) I chance on Chat as in no one is mean to him The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alphaclaw11 (talk). I seriously do not understand what you're saying. Try to fix your grammer there... - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:42, 7 December 2007 (EST) He wouldn't want it anyway FG2, trust me, he wouldn't. HyperToad from dummmmmmy's sister hi i'm dummmmmmy's sister and i wanna know if you don't like my brother.--Laura3 14:30, 31 December 2007 (EST) Uh... This guy's kinda blocked... Master Crash Too bad It sucks you got banned if your reading this via ip anyways you were pretty cool! The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShyGuySays (talk). Come Visit!!! Come visit Wal*Mart*Uigi Guy, You won't regret it!!! Waluigi Guy Why Max2 vandalized I think Max2 vandalized on November 20, 2007 because I suppose someone hacked into his account. That is possibly what happened. Kaptain K. Rool Hory shet. Ol' Larry-o We just can't know for sure. Technickal 17:00, 28 November 2011 (EST) Vandelizim I don't really understand 2 things. 1. Why did Max2 Vandelize. 2. What kind of things did he say?