Talk:General Klump

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Ya know, I was just reading the Klump (species) page, and it says that that "species" is actually a single character. If that's true, we should probably merge those two pages. - Ultimatetoad

What we saw a lot with of the Donkey Kong 64 games post-TV-show is the TV show giving back to the games, like in the Crystal Coconut. Since DK64 is the first game that refers to Klump as a general, the character from the show probably entered the games. You saw the same thing with Krusha, the guy from multiplayer. Stumpers! 10:11, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Separation from regular Klump

Manuals and supplementary materials tend to treat the Klump enemy as a singular entity, such as the DKC manual's story and enemy sections, the DKC2 manual's enemy section, and the DK64 manual's story section. Pay extra attention to the last one; multiple generals are mentioned, but only a single Klump is specified. I think these other generals would be the ones K. Rool feeds to gigantic Klap Traps in one cutscene, as a singular Klump is among them. Anyways, it seems that officially, Klump is a singular entity in all material, and the fact that multiple of him can and do appear at once seems to be a case of good old gameplay and story segregation. I think a merge should be considered. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:54, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

If you take a look in those older manuals, the enemy bios also suffer from inconsistent singular/plural tenses, and this oddity persists in the franchise even now in strategy guides. It is part of a broader issue having to do with Nintendo's choice of writing style. The fact is we see multiple Klumps as a generic enemy in the games, and only one recurring Klump character in the show; the "gameplay and story segregation" intepretation is too close to making a canonicity argument, and it's flawed because some like Zinger are written singularly or plurally depending on the manual. The only way to merge logically is if we say that the television show's Klump is interchangeable with a different Klump in between episodes/scenes for all we know, but I don't think that's very likely to be intention of the showrunners. Basically, Klump's two separate articles for the game species and cartoon character, just like Krusha, are fine. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

To me, it seems more like our prior Mouser situation. There are two distinct Mousers in SMB2, and three in YK:DDP. I'd like to point out that the first underwater level in DKC can have two Enguardes on-screen at once, and this seems akin to that as well. Also, the manuals' singular/plural troubles seem to be focused in the enemies section, while the story section is completely different, and is typically more concise with that sort of thing. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Merge to Klump

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Merge 8-0
I've been wanting to do this ever since Krusha got merged with Krusha, and it's time for this to happen to Klump too. I am definitely aware that merging General Klump has been frowned upon, even more than Krusha was before he was split, but I don't really think Klump has any right to be split, either. After reading both the aforementioned proposal to merge Krusha, as well as this earlier failed proposal to merge the two of them to their respective species, I've compiled some reasons against merging Klump, and why they aren't necessarily good reasons to keep him split.

His name

I see this being brought up a lot. While yes, Klump is called "General Klump," he's called General Klump, like, 5% of the time. I've watched the entirety of the show, and I can count the number of times I remember him being called General Klump on my fingers. Think of it like "King Bowser" to Bowser. Also, it's necessary to bring up that Krusha was "General Krusha." Once.

His skin color

The Klump species has a brown skin color while this Klump has a green skin color. I don't see how this is a good point at all. All the Toad, Koopa and Yoshi colors are merged, and, to be closer to the DK franchise, Silver Krushas are merged with Krusha.

What about Jr. Klap Trap?

Despite my hatred towards this awful character, the thing saving Jr. Klap Trap is the fact that Klap Traps appear as a species as a whole in the show. If the show contained a generic Klump species and also this General Klump, I'd be fine having him split, it'd be like a Koopa General situation...but the fact that Klump is the only Klump in the show, no.

The Player's Guide situation also seems to get brought up in these proposals a lot. In Player's Guides for Donkey Kong Country, all of the enemies, including Klump, are treated like singular characters. Klump is also just a singular character, but he appears in a different medium. I feel like if we're having General Klump split, we should have other cases of a singular Klump split, like the one seen in Donkey Kong 64 cutscenes or the playable one in Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast.

I think I should also note that in the 2003 version of Diddy Kong Pilot, Klump's voice is very much based on General Klump's voice...further bringing us to the "Is General Klump just an instance of a singular Klump?" situation.

I feel like whoever moved this article from "Klump (character)" to "General Klump" watched the first episode, saw K. Rool call him General Klump in the first scene he appears in, and just assumed it was a common name for him.

Proposer: Kaptain Skurvy (talk)
Deadline: June 22, 2025, 23:59 GMT Closed early on June 15, 2025, 23:59 GMT

General Support: Merge to Klump

1. General Skurvy (talk) Per proposal.
2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Per all but unnecessary Klap Trap hatred.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) Having regrettably(?) watched quite a bit of the show recently with friends, we can definitely vouch for the rationale here. We actually thought a tiny bit about Jr. Klap Trap though definitely not as maliciously, and also figured him being split would remain sensible since he's in contrast to other, generic Klap Traps all the dang time; whereas there's really only the Klump, the one that happens to be a General, so merging him makes more sense.
4. Arend (talk) Per all, same as with my support in the Krusha proposal.
5. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
6. Hewer (talk) Splitting this while merging Krusha makes no sense. I was actually considering proposing this myself sometime.
7. General Nelsonic (talk) Per all. If Krusha and Mario (film character) are merged, this should be as well.
8. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.