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===Ultimate Mr. L=== | ===Ultimate Mr. L=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|warning|overturned|The warning will be overturned '''for this case only''' as the particular wording of {{tem|Reminder}} is in Ultimate Mr. L's advantage; however, the template will be edited to prevent this from ever being an excuse again.}} | ||
*[[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L#Image Category Reminder]] | *[[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L#Image Category Reminder]] | ||
====Ultimate Mr. L==== | ====Ultimate Mr. L==== | ||
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===Topmaniac=== | ===Topmaniac=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|reminder|stands|Unless it's flaming or [[MarioWiki:Vandalism|vandalism]], removing comments is a [[MarioWiki:Warning_policy#Level_two_offenses|warnable offense]]. Your talk page is meant to be a record of your editing and conversational history: removing comments just to pretend that it never happened is unacceptable.}} | ||
*[[User talk:Topmaniac#Reminder]] | *[[User talk:Topmaniac#Reminder]] | ||
====Topmaniac==== | ====Topmaniac==== | ||
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===Topmaniac=== | ===Topmaniac=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|last warning|stands|The offense called for a last warning: you have previously received a reminder, warning, and an informal message from an administrator about editing BJAODN content. Furthermore, you {{plain link|1=[http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:BJAODN/Items&diff=prev&oldid=2085617 deliberately ignored]}} another user's reversion after you changed the content yet again.}} | ||
*[[User talk:Topmaniac#...]] | *[[User talk:Topmaniac#...]] | ||
====Topmaniac==== | ====Topmaniac==== | ||
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===The RPG Gamer=== | ===The RPG Gamer=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|reminder|overturned|There is no strict preference about using one mark-up over the other, and does <u>not</u> call for an official warning template. It is perfectly acceptable to use the HTML tags over the typical markups, if users find it easier to keep track of the page's coding in that way.}} | ||
*[[User talk:The RPG Gamer#HTML]] | *[[User talk:The RPG Gamer#HTML]] | ||
====The RPG Gamer==== | ====The RPG Gamer==== | ||
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====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ||
It's not a {{tem|warning}} or {{tem| | It's not a {{tem|warning}} or {{tem|last warning}}. Also, you have a record of repeated warnings so this this not really a big deal in comparison. You have been here long enough to know the typical markups used. | ||
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===Toadette the Achiever=== | ===Toadette the Achiever=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|reminder|overturned|The user wasn't clearly edit sniping: with the small time frame between edits, it's entirely possible that two users happened to be archiving the proposal at the same time, especially being so shortly after the deadline. As well as this, first-time breaches of the [[MarioWiki:Courtesy|courtesy policy]] should be dealt with informally, rather than through official warning templates.}} | ||
*[[User talk:Toadette the Achiever#Courtesy Reminder]] | *[[User talk:Toadette the Achiever#Courtesy Reminder]] | ||
====Toadette the Achiever==== | ====Toadette the Achiever==== | ||
*I know that edit sniping means performing an action before the person ''meant'' to perform the action can even '''do''' anything. To be honest, I don't think it was obvious enough that Wildgoosespeeder was trying to archive his latest proposal at the time '''''I''''' was trying to archive it as well. Even if it actually was, there were many informal ways he could have addressed the situation, rather than jumping straight to a Reminder. | *I know that edit sniping means performing an action before the person ''meant'' to perform the action can even '''do''' anything. To be honest, I don't think it was obvious enough that Wildgoosespeeder was trying to archive his latest proposal at the time '''''I''''' was trying to archive it as well. Even if it actually was, there were many informal ways he could have addressed the situation, rather than jumping straight to a Reminder. | ||
:<small>P.S.: From now on, when archiving appeals, please use the [[Template: | :<small>P.S.: From now on, when archiving appeals, please use the [[Template:appeal outcome|appeal outcome]] template to address the outcome. [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/46#Expand the "Outcome template" rule to appeal outcomes|This proposal]] dictates it.</small> | ||
====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ||
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===Wildgoosespeeder=== | ===Wildgoosespeeder=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|reminder|overturned|Text can appear slightly different from browser to browser: it was just unlucky that it appeared a couple of pixels too long. In future, users should have a bit more leniency on such a... <small>small issue</small>.}} | ||
[[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder#Signature]] | [[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder#Signature]] | ||
====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ||
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===Wildgoosespeeder=== | ===Wildgoosespeeder=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|reminder|overturned|The Aboutfile template itself says its usage is optional. Someone hasn't read the instructions.}} | ||
*[[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder#Aboutfile template]] | *[[User talk:Wildgoosespeeder#Aboutfile template]] | ||
====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ====Wildgoosespeeder==== | ||
*{{tem|aboutfile-reminder}} is for people that have {{tem|aboutfile}} inserted, but never filled out from the default when [[Special:Upload]] is accessed or never corrected within a reasonable amount of time by the uploader. It is not required to have the template inserted but it is recommended. In fact, there was [[PipeProject:Adding Aboutfile | *{{tem|aboutfile-reminder}} is for people that have {{tem|aboutfile}} inserted, but never filled out from the default when [[Special:Upload]] is accessed or never corrected within a reasonable amount of time by the uploader. It is not required to have the template inserted but it is recommended. In fact, there was [[PipeProject:Adding Aboutfile template|an abandoned project]] related to it. I have been doing this for a long time. | ||
====MarioMario456==== | ====MarioMario456==== | ||
*Sometimes, the contributor forgots to add the {{tem|aboutfile}} template. | *Sometimes, the contributor forgots to add the {{tem|aboutfile}} template. | ||
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===Marshal Dan Troop=== | ===Marshal Dan Troop=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|warning|overturned|A warning isn't necessary if the user was already blocked for the same incident, let alone one that occurred two years prior.}} | ||
*[[User talk:Marshal Dan Troop/Archive 1#Warning 2]] | *[[User talk:Marshal Dan Troop/Archive 1#Warning 2]] | ||
====Marshal Dan Troop==== | ====Marshal Dan Troop==== | ||
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===BBQ Turtle=== | ===BBQ Turtle=== | ||
{{ | {{appeal outcome|last warning|overturned|The admins have decided to just remove it altogether, as the entire situation was inflated more than it should've. I guess you blew it this time.}} | ||
*[[User|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|Talk]]) | *[[User|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|Talk]]) | ||
====BBQ Turtle==== | ====BBQ Turtle==== | ||
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====Owencrazyboy9==== | ====Owencrazyboy9==== | ||
*Now thinking through it, I think the last warning was not necessary. You did stop after getting issued the reminder and last warning, too. For now, it be best to either change it into a warning or have it removed altogether. | *Now thinking through it, I think the last warning was not necessary. You did stop after getting issued the reminder and last warning, too. For now, it be best to either change it into a warning or have it removed altogether. | ||
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===Raymond1922A=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|warning|amended|Calling out offensive names is unacceptable in any circumstance, but a Warning was too harsh for the action seeing as this was their first courtesy breach. It will be changed to a Reminder.}} | |||
*[[User talk:Raymond1922A#Warning]] | |||
====Raymond1922A==== | |||
*My comment on [[Talk:Hotaru]] was simply a joke meant to make a point about the problems of using Japanese words. I did not mean to call any user on this site a ''baka'' or assume bad faith. | |||
[[User talk:Raymond1922A#Warning]] | |||
====Baby Luigi==== | |||
*Regardless if it was a joke, which I find to be frankly rude, out of nowhere, and uncalled for, calling other users a "fool" or "idiot" in Japanese for following established policy guidelines is not acceptable behavior. Also, I did took offense to your wording of saying that it's not "kawaii", because I felt like you're also stereotyping some types people who sometimes pepper Japanese in their writings. I don't think this type of condescension is very respectful. While it is possible that I was too heavy-handed with handing out warning, I still think you should receive at least an official reminder for your behavior. | |||
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===TheRaoul1992=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|warning|stands|The warning remains because you've been told this before. The template shouldn't be removed directly after a game is released. However, there is currently a proposal that is meant to decide exactly how long to wait.}} | |||
*[[Special:Diff/2713810]] | |||
====TheRaoul1992==== | |||
When I edit a page, I know what I'm doing, if I changed this, it's because the game was released. | |||
====FanOfYoshi==== | |||
This warning was undeserved, I respected the rules. | |||
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===Owencrazyboy9=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|warning|stands|You've had this problem before, several times. "Harsher consequences" is rather condescending, and the problem can be explained without resorting to reporting them. In all honesty, because you've been blocked for this behavior before, another block should've been issued, but the warning was already applied. Watch yourself.}} | |||
*[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Owencrazyboy9&oldid=2720612 The warning in question] | |||
====Owencrazyboy9==== | |||
*OK, what the actual heck? I go ahead and let a user know about an incident that was going on for a few weeks now (concerning the Paper Mario bestiary page, if you were wondering) and all of a sudden, I get a random warning? Every other time I let users know about something (like reminding other users to use italics for game titles, correcting their mistakes or trying to get them to stop offences before they get in more trouble), I never '''ever''' received a Warning for it. And now I get punished because I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing? The Warning says I'm "supposedly" assuming bad faith. Not true. I'm just telling them about there being consequences if they don't follow the rules. And apparently the "harsher consequences I have no means of enforcing?" Well, I was implying the administrators who "can" enact harsher consequences, but you completely neglected to mention that the general user "can" give other users warnings, last warnings and/or reminders. And I had no idea that the edit in question that caused this whole thing contradicted the reversion I put upon it. I only realized it was a contradiction after I saved that edit and sent the user a reminder. People can and do make mistakes often, but there's no way this mistake I only realized after the edit reversion and user reminder is worth being punished for with a warning. In my honest opinion, I think the warning deserves to go, because I did nothing wrong in this case. What I did was try to let the user know about the incident on a talk page and imply that that user might get in trouble if this keeps up, only for me to then realized I botched it up because I had no idea what I was doing. There's no way this could have escalated into a warning only because I sometimes screw up when I'm doing something I'm supposed to be doing on an occasional basis. | |||
====Lord Grammaticus==== | |||
*The thing about that is, as your talk page shows, you've been told before about unnecessary tones and attitudes towards other editors multiple times before, especially if it involves them undoing or altering your edits in some manner. And I'd just talked to you before about hanging the threat of a block over someone's head when it's not even clear they were necessarily doing something blockworthy to begin with. | |||
:"I'm just telling them about there being consequences if they don't follow the rules." ...while curiously neglecting to mention the rule in question. "Well, I was implying the administrators who "can" enact harsher consequences, but you completely neglected to mention that the general user "can" give other users warnings, last warnings and/or reminders." Yes, I left that out, because I felt those would have been ''unwarranted''. | |||
:My entire thing is, even if I take you at face value, the closest rule RickTommy's edit could've come close to breaking is edit warring, and that's a strong '''maybe''' on the matter. And assuming that IS the case, why not discuss it with them on the article's talk page or their own talk page, rather than [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:RickTommy&diff=2720590&oldid=2714880 leaving a message insinuating that your spelling is the only possible spelling, and that attempting to posit otherwise would result in "harsher consequences"?] It's that "my way or the highway" tone in particular - which, AGAIN, I noticed you have been told about multiple times previously - that, in my opinion, prompted and warranted the warning. | |||
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===Toadette the Achiever=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|reminder|overturned|While valid points, a message on the user's talk page that <u>clearly</u> notifies them would have been a better follow-up to an easily missable edit summary for a matter like this than a reminder.}} | |||
*[[Special:Diff/2837104|Here]]. | |||
====Toadette the Achiever==== | |||
*While I agree that the concern being brought up is definitely valid, I feel that it's much too early to receive a reminder over, as stated within the second paragraph of the [[MarioWiki:Courtesy|courtesy policy]]. This is especially considering the fact that I was never previously warned not to use a "copy-paste" kind of content creation in the past. | |||
====Bye Guy==== | |||
*[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Banana_Barrels&diff=2775403&oldid=2775391 You were told before] and I figured that an informal warning should be followed by a reminder. However, the former is an edit summary that you might have simply not seen, so I'm not sure if it counts. | |||
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===BigBowserBoss=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|reminder|stands|Like Keyblade Master said, the reminder was for misusing templates, which you were already notified previously for, and the part about the links was just an unrelated, follow-up post.}} | |||
[[User talk:BigBowserBoss#Reminder]] | |||
====BigBowserBoss==== | |||
Last month, a reminder was issued to me by [[User:Keyblade Master]], who isn't an administrator ''or'' patroller. He said I was misusing templates and links. I do agree with the templates part, but not with the links part. He and several other non-admins were removing the links I added because they looked very “awkward”. The admins said it was the right way to do it. In that way, I feel like that reminder was undeserved. Thanks {{User:BigBowserBoss/sig}} 06:56, March 6, 2021 (EST) | |||
====Keyblade Master==== | |||
Actually, it was mainly because of the templates why I issued the reminder, since I explained what conjectural templates are for prior to doing so but BigBowserBoss continued to put it on articles which had official names which is why I put a reminder there. The links really didn't have much to do with it, I just happened to leave a message regarding that in a different edit. And I wouldn't issue a warning without contacting an admin first. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 07:08, March 6, 2021 (EST) | |||
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===Super Mario RPG=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|lastwarn|amended|While the team agrees that Super Mario RPG has been making sweeping changes without prior discussion and was notified a couple of times, which was the primary reason for the lastwarn, some of the changes have been beneficial. The user has been overall constructive and civil dealing with the matters and has been responsive to criticism. We decided to give this user another chance, so the last warning is downgraded to a warning. {{User|Mario}} 15:31, February 9, 2024 (EST)}} | |||
[[User talk:Super Mario RPG#Last Warning]] | |||
====Super Mario RPG==== | |||
I'm requesting to appeal my final warning because it did not concern much else than me renaming the "Missions" section on Olympic Games pages to "Profiles and statistics," or adding "Tips" and "Tutorials" under that scope. Otherwise, it was vague, and even contradictory when considering the issuer liked my Missions table. Two users disagreed with the last warning, but one felt that at least minimum effort of discussion was needed before creating several of these templates I've been making. When I saw the issuer undo my edits to the Missions sections of Olympic Games events, I took the effort to manually rename all of the sections back to "Missions" and undid myself on one of the Rio 2016 arcade event pages. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:09, February 4, 2024 (EST) | |||
====BBQ Turtle==== | |||
The warning was not given just for the "Profiles and Statistics" issue, it was due to the fact that the user has continued to make sweeping changes without much, if any, discussion or explanation first, and has been warned for doing it before. Multiple users have expressed concern about this practice, and the warning was discussed with other administration staff before being issued. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 16:20, February 4, 2024 (EST) | |||
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===Arthur2=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|reminder|stands|It is clear that Arthur2 broke rules and the sysops explained so. Furthermore, Arthur2 has not made a detailed case explaining exactly why these warnings were mistaken nor are their claims supported by any evidence. Please read the warnings by Nightwicked Bowser/Mario jc carefully. {{User|Mario}} 21:36, May 6, 2024 (EDT)}} | |||
*[[User talk:Arthur2#Kracka]] | |||
*[[User talk:Arthur2#Reminder]] | |||
====Arthur2==== | |||
*It is not purpose. (Anoymous edits are not anoymous me) | |||
====Nightwicked Bowser/Mario jc==== | |||
*Arthur2 already had informal messages about [[Kracka]] to Kabooma and about edit warring before the warning was given, as for the reminder the IP Mario Jc links to is Arthur2's IP. | |||
*Mario jc: Can confirm the anonymous IP matches your account and they're even the same type of edits. The reminder was valid, as was Nightwick's warning, as I've previously told you not to [[User talk:Arthur2#Pengaccha 1-gō|add names without providing a source]] and [[User talk:Arthur2#Pengaccha 1-gō|repeatedly redo your edits]]. Regarding the reverts: you actively undid a series of edits; I would not call those "not on purpose". | |||
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===Big Super Mario Fan=== | |||
{{appeal outcome|last warning|stands|[[Special:Diff/4213510|This edit]] in [[Mario & Luigi (series)]] was an attempt to enact an ongoing proposal (which is also being heavily opposed) on including original games and ports / remakes in one list in series articles. [[Special:Diff/4210269|A similar edit]] was also attempted in [[Super Mario (series)]] prior to starting the proposal which resulted in a warning for making huge changes without discussing. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 14:26, May 18, 2024 (EDT)}} | |||
*[[User talk:Big Super Mario Fan#Last warning]] | |||
====Big Super Mario Fan==== | |||
*This final warning was completely unnecessary. Because the games where all listet from oldest to newest already. I just put them in one section. This has nothing to do with a proposal. Those remakes where already in the right order. I didn't Chance that. Those "drastic changes" for NSMB. U may have been to much. But now they are using some things that I did. So I was still helpful. A lastwarn is for no reason valid. Because I never have a bad intention when I edit. I always try to help. | |||
====Mario==== | |||
*Outlined in the warning message, you have made changes that integrated the remake with the main series[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_%26_Luigi_(series)&oldid=4213496] which is identical to what you were attempting to effect from an ongoing proposal[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki:Proposals&diff=prev&oldid=4210283]. This is still breaking the rules, and you should be aware of the proposals you make while you are making changes. That being said, even if the last warning isn't legitimate, you are still under two warnings for making drastic changes without discussion as well as inappropriate formatting in your comment, so a lastwarn, for a different reason, should still be valid. | |||
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Latest revision as of 12:33, June 2, 2024
Ultimate Mr. Lwarning overturned Ultimate Mr. L
Wildgoosespeeder
Topmaniacreminder stands Topmaniac
The RPG Gamer
Topmaniaclast warning stands Topmaniac
Alex95
Aside from the that, the Last Warning was given because you have been told not to add irrelevant comments to the pages, and yet, you continued to do so. So not only was the Last Warning given because of the comments, it was given due to sheer incompetence and failure to heed the advice of others. The RPG Gamerreminder overturned The RPG GamerI've never been reminded that using HTML wasn't allowed. Using the MediaWiki wasn't available when putting a file description for a new upload, Wildgoosespeeder then gives me a reminder for this. Last time I checked, those templates are only supposed to be for when the user doesn't stop the action after being informed about it. This was the first time I've ever been told so I personally think it's unjustified. I wasn't intentionally doing it I just didn't see the MediaWiki one available and I've not been reminded at all. Should've a reminder be issued for this? They weren't available while uploading. WildgoosespeederIt's not a {{warning}} or {{last warning}}. Also, you have a record of repeated warnings so this this not really a big deal in comparison. You have been here long enough to know the typical markups used. Toadette the Achieverreminder overturned Toadette the Achiever
WildgoosespeederI saw the edit conflict dialog with the template already in place linking to my archived proposal. I just got done moving my proposal. Ran into some trouble with the link, so it was taking longer than usual to commit my edit. The edit that the user did was almost 9 hours between edits. Wildgoosespeederreminder overturned User talk:Wildgoosespeeder#Signature WildgoosespeederI made sure that my signature wasn't in violation when I first set it up. Here's what I was able to validate for User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig:
MarioMario456[NO COMMENT] Wildgoosespeederreminder overturned Wildgoosespeeder
MarioMario456
Marshal Dan Troopwarning overturned Marshal Dan Troop
DKPetey99
BBQ Turtlelast warning overturned BBQ Turtle
Owencrazyboy9
Raymond1922Awarning amended Raymond1922A
User talk:Raymond1922A#Warning Baby Luigi
TheRaoul1992warning stands TheRaoul1992When I edit a page, I know what I'm doing, if I changed this, it's because the game was released. FanOfYoshiThis warning was undeserved, I respected the rules. Owencrazyboy9warning stands Owencrazyboy9
Lord Grammaticus
Toadette the Achieverreminder overturned
Toadette the Achiever
Bye Guy
BigBowserBossreminder stands User talk:BigBowserBoss#Reminder BigBowserBossLast month, a reminder was issued to me by User:Keyblade Master, who isn't an administrator or patroller. He said I was misusing templates and links. I do agree with the templates part, but not with the links part. He and several other non-admins were removing the links I added because they looked very “awkward”. The admins said it was the right way to do it. In that way, I feel like that reminder was undeserved. Thanks - BigBowserBoss FIRE! 06:56, March 6, 2021 (EST) Keyblade MasterActually, it was mainly because of the templates why I issued the reminder, since I explained what conjectural templates are for prior to doing so but BigBowserBoss continued to put it on articles which had official names which is why I put a reminder there. The links really didn't have much to do with it, I just happened to leave a message regarding that in a different edit. And I wouldn't issue a warning without contacting an admin first. Nightwicked Bowser 07:08, March 6, 2021 (EST) Super Mario RPGlast warning amended User talk:Super Mario RPG#Last Warning Super Mario RPGI'm requesting to appeal my final warning because it did not concern much else than me renaming the "Missions" section on Olympic Games pages to "Profiles and statistics," or adding "Tips" and "Tutorials" under that scope. Otherwise, it was vague, and even contradictory when considering the issuer liked my Missions table. Two users disagreed with the last warning, but one felt that at least minimum effort of discussion was needed before creating several of these templates I've been making. When I saw the issuer undo my edits to the Missions sections of Olympic Games events, I took the effort to manually rename all of the sections back to "Missions" and undid myself on one of the Rio 2016 arcade event pages. Super Mario RPG (talk) 13:09, February 4, 2024 (EST) BBQ TurtleThe warning was not given just for the "Profiles and Statistics" issue, it was due to the fact that the user has continued to make sweeping changes without much, if any, discussion or explanation first, and has been warned for doing it before. Multiple users have expressed concern about this practice, and the warning was discussed with other administration staff before being issued. BBQ Turtle (talk) 16:20, February 4, 2024 (EST) Arthur2reminder stands Arthur2
Nightwicked Bowser/Mario jc
Big Super Mario Fanlast warning stands Big Super Mario Fan
Mario
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