Talk:Fly Guy R

Merge with Fly Guy R

I'm not sure if this is worthy of its own article. Like it says, the name is conjectural and in battle they are exactly the same as regular Fly Guy Rs. I feel this can all be put in the Fly Guy R article. Best Fitness Friends (talk) 20:29, May 16, 2019 (EDT)

Agreed. It could at most be a subsection about how three in specific are called Fly Guy R thieves instead. Trig - 20:51, May 16, 2019 (EDT)

Split Trio Fly Guy R/Thieving Fly Guy Rs

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canceled by proposer
First of all, as strange as it may seem, they are a boss so, that alone gives them a fair amount of relevance, but it turns out they also have a pretty important role, which was stealing the Driftwood Jellyfish Sheets, a fundamental item in the game. They also have a bit of personality and funny moments. Prima gave them a name that, while descriptive, is a name after all.

And finally, we have a page for Ruddy Road Paint Guy, who has a similar but smaller role, but doesn't even have a name. So, as far as I'm concerned, they have no reason to be merged with the common enemy.

Proposer: Sorbetti (talk)
Deadline: June 3, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Split

1. Sorbetti (talk) Per proposal.

Do nothing

1. PrincessPeachFan (talk): I'm sorry, but these guys are just regular Fly Guys R with the boss music playing and Prima's name is very generic.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) As someones that have played Dream Team... Twice... what do you mean you can tell we're a system oops. These guys are really just ordinary enemies saddled with being a miniboss. It's like how in the original Paper Mario, you can choose to fight a Hammer Bro or Koopatrol as a miniboss in Shy Guy's Toy Box, despite those just being ordinary enemies usually (albeit lategame ones). Sure, that example is optional, whereas this is a mandatory encounter, but we feel like the best course of action is to simply expand this page to better clarify that they serve as a miniboss before their "proper" introduction as a generic enemy, rather than to split that information off for the specific formation of enemies used for the miniboss fight. As it stands, we can't think of another instance of "generic enemy used as a miniboss" getting its own page, and this would really only make sense as part of a sweeping move to allow stuff like that.
3. Hewer (talk) Per all, it's just an enemy being used as a miniboss, similar to Piranha Bean. And the supposed unique name from Prima is literally just describing them as a group of Fly Guy Rs, which is what they are, and it usually refers to them simply as "Fly Guy Rs". If a guidebook described the first two Goombas in World 1-1 as a "duo of Goombas", would you be suggesting we split them?
4. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) Per all, it's more like how certain enemy battles in the Paper Mario games use an event battle theme.

Comments

What exactly was the name that Prima gave them? The page you linked seems to just call them "Fly Guy Rs". Am I missing something? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:28, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

On the first page, they call them a trio of Fly Guy Rs, on the next page they call them thieving Fly Guy Rs.

As you can see, it is not a very original name, it is very descriptive but it serves its purpose after all. Sorbetti (talk) 08:48, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Said name is also generic. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:01, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Oh, and also, the game still calls them Fly Guy R in the "boss battle" which seals the deal for me. In that it takes priority over a PRIMA name. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:04, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

That's how it was before, but having a page for a character that doesn't even have a name and not for these characters that do have names is unfair no matter where you look at it. Sorbetti (talk) 09:05, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

Also keep in mind that the history on Fly Guy R's page is extremely summarized, so I think having his own page would give him a better understanding of the history. Sorbetti (talk) 09:08, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

@Camwoodstock Yes, you are correct, but the problem is that they also have a story and a role outside of the boss, so again, why have a page for Ruddy Road Paint Guy but not for these characters? Sorbetti (talk) 13:05, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

The various summoned enemies-as-minibosses in Paper Mario are also the direct consequence of a story event, namely Bowser interrogating Princess Peach about Mario's worst fears, at which point Kammy Koopa summons them to guard a chest. They even get a line of dialogue, which we earnestly forget if these guys do. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 13:11, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

But that is unrelated to the character's story, it is the background or origin, do those characters have dialogue, or do they have roles outside of being bosses that are not the origin? Sorbetti (talk) 13:17, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

...We don't think we understand? If the idea is "do they have a background outside of their origin", for the summoned guys in Paper Mario, them being summoned is both their background and origin. Having a background and having an origin aren't mutually exclusive; it's not like "being an origin story" counteracts that being a part of their background, that doesn't make sense. The Fly Guy Rs are honestly worse in this regard, seeing as they mostly just show up if we recall. There's a reason we remember it as a fun fight, rather than as something character-driven; the fact we earnestly forget if they even gave them dialogue, and mostly just remember them flying around and stealing a piece of the Ultibed, should tell you that much. ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 13:21, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

I see, I'll cancel this decoy proposal and look at the really interesting topic here, the Ruddy Road Paint Guy. Sorbetti (talk) 13:25, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

@Hewer The problem is that they have history and roles outside of battle, they cause various events and from what I know they have more history than Ruddy Road Paint Guy, for whom we do have a page despite not even having a name, normally I am not in favor of these divisions but this situation differs a lot from other bosses, for example the piranha bean literally just appears and is fought, it has no history, it has no dialogues, that's what I mean. Sorbetti (talk) 13:13, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

I'd rather avoid basing organisation on our subjective judgements about how much "history" an enemy being used as a boss has. I'm honestly not sure how justifiable the Ruddy Road Paint Guy split is. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 13:20, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

@Nightwicked BowserI repeat, this proposal isn't directed at his role as a boss, but rather at his story and personality. I also made a comparison with Ruddy Road Paint Guy, a similar character who does have his own page despite lacking a name. Sorbetti (talk) 13:20, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

I don't really agree with the Ruddy Road Paint Guy article being split either to be honest. Nightwicked Bowser 13:22, May 20, 2025 (EDT)

I see, that's what I wanted to know. Sorbetti (talk) 13:23, May 20, 2025 (EDT)