MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}. Signing with the signature code ~~~(~) is not allowed due to technical issues. How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. There are two topics that cannot be decided on through a proposal: the first is sysop promotions and demotions, which are decided by Bureaucrats. Secondly, no proposals calling for the creation of Banjo, Conker or Sonic series articles are allowed (several proposals supporting them have failed in recent history). The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. CURRENTLY: 23:17, 21 September 2024 (EDT) New Features None at the moment. Removals None at the moment. Splits & Merges Goombas I say we should split the Goomba article into two articles: Goomba and Goomba (SMW). The SMW Goombas appeared in more than one game (Seriously, I've seen round ones in Super Mario Galaxy), they have differend Japanese names and they look different, unlike the Bellhop Goomba proposal (see below) and I hope this is not like Arend's disaster Rosalina proposal. Proposer: Yoshikart (talk) Deadline: October 15, 2008, 17:00 Split Yoshikart (talk) This is my proposal. Stumpers (talk) - I'm not sure that they were in Super Mario Galaxy not having played the whole game, but yes, Super Mario World did feature "Round Goombas" rather than "Goombas" in the Japanese version. Just as we separate Kamek from Magikoopa (he is known only as Magikoopa in Japan), maybe it's time that we also pay attention to how Nintendo of Japan names separate subjects. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. Stooben Rooben (talk) - Per all. Since they are officially named, I have no objections. InfectedShroom (talk) - Per all. I wondered why I couldn't find info on those guys... :P Blitzwing (talk) - Per All. btw, There's indeed a different species of Goomba in Galaxy, but they're not round, just smaller and with a duller skin. Ameboid (talk) - Per all. The thing about the Goombas in SMG is indeed correct. Keep Together Comments Ain't and round Goomba basicly a Goomba or a sub species. (I'm sorta confused.) Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) To the supporters: Do these have an official name? Stooben Rooben (talk) They do in Japan (as both Yoshikart and Stumpers mentioned): "Kuribon", which should be enough to allow the split. While we're on the subject, another enemy I know that clearly is not the same species as its name-sake is Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga Boomerang Bros.; but as far as I know, the Japanese names are the same as well, so it's more problematic. - Walkazo (talk) Thanks. Stooben Rooben (talk) Say, if this proposal pass, would the page be called Kuribon or Goomba (SMW)? Blitzwing (talk) File:RoundGoomba.png <- Is this what your talking 'bout. Anyway doesn't Kuribon means Little Chestnut people. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) I would call it "Goomba (SMW)" because of the fact many people don't know the Japanese name (Kuribon), so they compare their look. And, what do they look like? They look like little Goombas. Of course, there are some experts knowing the Japanese name but we simply redirect to 'Goomba (SMW)'. My opinion. - Ameboid (talk) Or you could just make "Goomba (SMW)" a redirect to "Kuribon" – that seems like the more logical way to tackle the issue, since that is their official name. Stooben Rooben (talk) Yeah, that would be the best way. Stumpers (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2008 (EDT) .................... Yoshikart (talk) And the point of that comment was...? Stooben Rooben (talk) I think YoshiKart was ether Fabbergased or had no comment. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Flabbergasted Yoshikart (talk) It means to shock to say anything. (Well in this case to shock to type comment.) Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Ah, that makes sense. Thanks. Stooben Rooben (talk) You're welcome. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Changes Userbox Page Recently, I stopped by the userbox page and found it to be absolutly unacceptable. Users add new userboxes at will, and often don't care for things such as, I dunno, GRAMMAR? So, I'm prposing that we lock up the Userbox page or at least trim it down. If you want to make a new userbox so badly, don't place it on the main page. Proposer: Phailure (talk) Deadline: October 15, 2008, 17:00 Don't change anything Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Per myself. Anyways why lock just because if some userboxes seem useless. There just for user whom want them. You don't have to use the new ones that just pop up. The userboxes page is for every user to post a userbox (as long as there aproperate.) Palkia47 (talk) - Per Stumpers' original vote. Userboxes are epic, and someone may want to create their own. M&SG (talk) - As long as the userbox is appropriate, I don't see the problem. Besides, even if that article is locked, we'll still be able to make our own personal userboxes for our user page. Moonshine (talk) - I really see userboxes as an eyesore, nor would I ever use them. However, I do see where they may be appealing to others. Quite simply, the fact that they're constantly being used entirely makes up for the fact that they're cheesy and an eyesore. Timn (talk) - As long as the grammor improves,anyways i make tons of userboxes. REMOVED VOTE: Stumpers (talk) - Right now I'm busy enough operating the rest of the Wiki, but maybe the other sysops aren't. Regardless, I have to say, userboxes themselves are useless, so I don't see why a useless userbox would be a problem. Plus, what are your criteria for determining whether a userbox is useless or useful? Since other sysops are cool with trimming the page down, I no longer object. However, I'm keeping this vote here for everyone who "per'd" me. Trim down Phailure (talk) Per what I said. tanokki (talk) -Both sides have a good point we should have criteria for userboxes {ie:This user likes luigi. OK. This user is friends with [insert username here]. NO} It shouldn't be that hard delete some keep others and we really need to trim down the userbox section other [I had to remove my own cose the page had trouble loading]. Stooben Rooben (talk) - That page has been chaotic for quite a few months now. Many of the userboxes on there aren't needed, as they are simply edited from other similar userboxes. Also, the "This user is friends with __" have absolutely no reason to be on there; these userboxes, if created, should be created only for users to give to their friends. (Just like I used to do.) The page takes ridiculously long to load due to the mass amounts of images and coding on it as well. It's a MarioWiki page, not a User page. It's a fine page for referring to how to make basic userboxes, (ex: This user is an advanced gamer), etcetera. These userboxes that say, "this user's favorite character is Mametchi/Luigi/Francis/whatever" are entirely unnecessary – there only needs to be one userbox for that "genre" of userboxes – This user's favorite character is ___. The userbox can be edited from there to the user's liking. Take my userbox tower for example: Most of the userboxes on there were created/edited by me, but I don't recall ever putting them in the userbox page. Phoenix Rider (talk) - This is definitely something that needs to be done. As Stooben said, one genre of userboxes that can be customized to the user's liking. Specific, one person/object/etc. userboxes should not be put of there. Blitzwing (talk) - Per Stooben. Took the words right out of my mouth. Stumpers (talk) - I'm switching sides to back Rooben... that's the second time this week. Per Stoob. Super-Yoshi (talk) - Per St00by. Shrikeswind (talk) - Per all. Strange as it may be that I don't even have a page FOR userboxes yet I have an opinion, really, failure at grammar and over-complication bother me. That, and I have actually been turned off of making mine based on how many userboxes there are. Mateus 23 (talk) - Per Stooben. I think users can create their own userboxes, but it isn't necessary to put them in the userbox page. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. Besides, altering existing Userboxes on one's specific User Page is fairly easy, so if someone really wants to say something unique, they still can; while those of us with cruddy computers can still see the general boxes without fear of freezing. Comments Okay, I take that back. But if you had stopped by before I cleaned it up, you'd see how atrocious it's become. Phailure (talk) Rather than locking the page, what about just eliminating all of the excess userboxes? Take this, this, and this for examples: they could easily be trimmed down to basic userboxes that could be edited to a user's liking. Also, if there was a "Trim Down" option on this proposal, I'd vote for it. Stooben Rooben (talk) Same here. The Sysops have enough things to do without having to worry about something as frivolous as Userboxes. Simply let the Users who care about Userboxes keep them tidy, and be done with it. - Walkazo (talk) But that's the whole point. The page isn't kept tidy. It overloads the bandwidth with all the pictures and code, and most are used by maybe one or two people: the people that made them and decided to stick them on there. I have plenty of userboxes that I created myself without needing to put it on the Userbox page. Phoenix Rider (talk) Walkazo: You've conivinced my to change my mind. Now that I think about it, sysops DO have better things to do :l Phoenix Rider: Ditto. Palkia47:True, but they still don't need to clog up the page.Phailure (talk) Since Stumpers switched his vote, I have a question about those who said "Per Stumpers". Since Grapes and Palkia have additional reasoning to their votes aside from "Per Stumpers", would their votes still be valid? With that being said, would Super-Yoshi's vote be the only invalid one? Stooben Rooben (talk) Good question. I assume that we can now take "Per Stumpers" to be "Per what Stumpers' original vote said." Stumpers (talk) Sounds good. Stooben Rooben (talk) Done. Phailure (talk) When I feel like making a new Userbox, I just 'steal' one from another User page, or make a new one. I never use that Userbox page, it seems kinda pointless. Like a blunt arrow. Dom (talk) Ditto. Phailure (talk) Okay, first there's voting on whether or not is should be locked, and then there's voting to trim it down (but no header to vote for leaving it the way it is?). No one's voted on both issues yet, but can we? This is more like two proposals in one, which is a bit... screwy. - Walkazo (talk) I think since we were talking about the sysops being busy, we're not going to want to lock it to all but the sysops... but maybe a new user block would work. Stumpers (talk) Good idea. And I could change the voting choices to "Don't change it" and "Trim it down". Phailure (talk) Triming down sound better. (Because some computer/Laptops can freeze if there too much kilo bytes.) Plus there is some stupid userboxes like, This User thinks that Luigi shouldn't be called Mama Luigi. Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) Protecting it from the new Users and their userbox-fever is definitely a good plan, as are cutting out some of the more superfluous ones and adding that extra header for the nutters who disagree. - Walkazo (talk) Siblings Template I've noticed that the Siblings template, though useful, is in need of a change, notably, the fact that, on looking, one cannot actually tell which characters are, in fact, siblings. For example, Mario has two characters between him and Luigi, or on a much more dramatic scale, Dixie Kong and Tiny Kong are on complete opposite ends of the template. Some characters, like Kat and Ana, have this remedied with the word "and" in some form. My proposal, in order to clean this template up, is to do that with all characters with an unlinked 'and' between them, for example, Mario and Luigi. Naturally, this wouldn't apply to, say, the Jellyfish Sisters, as they don't have an and in their name, or to, say, Kat and Ana, who already have an and which is a part of the page name. They would be arranged alphabetically by first character's name, so it would be, say, Mario and Luigi after Baby Mario and Baby Luigi, but before Punio and Petuni. Proposer: Shrikeswind (talk) Deadline: October 18, 2008, 20:00 Combine Shrikeswind (talk) Per above. Stooben Rooben (talk) I had actually thought about doing this, but I was too lazy. :P Per Shrikeswind. Dodoman (talk) Whoa, great idea. That'd definitely organize it a little more. InfectedShroom (talk) - Per all. I don't think a proposal was necessary, however... Walkazo (talk) - I thought about colour-coding this template a few months back, and even came up with the organizing principle; but I never proposed it because it looked bad. This idea blows mine out of the water! Princess Grapes Butterfly (talk) ~Per all. Super-Yoshi (talk) - Per All. This is gonna help s stay organized, too :P. Stumpers (talk) - This is actually a very well done proposal, especially for a first. Anyway, this would increase the usefulness of the template, and as Walkazo showed us, is plausible and aesthetically pleasing. Mateus 23 (talk) - Per all. Phailure (talk) - Always those little bitty things... anywho, per all. Leave Seperate Comments Jeez, I hope I did this right. My first proposal and I feel like an idiot doing it. Any help would be much appreciated. - Shrikeswind (talk) You did a good job. ;) Kudos. Stooben Rooben (talk) Er... Could you link to the template, please? :') I'll go find it myself, but it would be nice for people who newly see the proposal. InfectedShroom (talk) Here ya go. Stooben Rooben (talk) As I said in my vote, I already did the research and came up with divisions for the siblings a while ago. I saved my work, and just went through and converted it to this idea, and this is the result. If you like it, Shrikeswind, perhaps we can use it as the new Sibling's Template if (or rather, when) this proposal passes? If there's anything amiss, please tell me. - Walkazo (talk) Nice template! :) It's very well organized. I might have an idea for an even more well organized version of it though. Stooben Rooben (talk) I was thinking the template could look like a cross between this, and what you have as a prototype, but the outcome wasn't real good. So, your way is definitely the better way. Stooben Rooben (talk) Thanks! I was thinking of dividing it up a bit like that too; but yeah, there were too many single siblings, one-link pairs, and small families to make it worthwhile... - Walkazo (talk) That's almost exactly what I was thinking, and no less that's a better way to do it, especially considering, for example, the Koopalings. Thank you Walkazo. Shrikeswind (talk) Miscellaneous None at the moment.