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===T.M.I===
Too much info, or even, too long didn't read, applies to what I'm suggesting here. It seems on a lot of character pages, certain sections in the character's history section are EXTREMELY long and overdone.
A character's role in a game shouldn't be addressed so in-depth as to make it a task to have to scroll down a characters page. The sections should simply cover the role of the character, and a summary of the events the character goes through in the game. Detailed explanations belong on the game's page itself, or specifically, the mode of the game the information is covering. i.e Story mode or something like the subspace emissary.
Another example is cartoon and comic appearances. Creating a sub-section for each comic or episode the character appears in is overdoing it. Clarifying and specific important instances from the series and the character's overall role is what should be covered on the characters page, once again, detailed information about the whole episode or comic should be covered on the comic or episodes page itself.
This isn't about taking away information, it's about organizing the site so that the information is set up to where it is most relevant. It is also so that character pages do not stay overcrowded with loads of information that are overly long.
Example from Wikipedia:
A plot summary is not a recap. It should not cover every scene and every moment of a story.
If this is so for normal plot summaries, it should be even stronger when applied to a single character.
By supporting:
A rule is set in place so that character's roles in the specific media they are appearing in can not be written out to be overly long and specific. Sections should be a summary of the character's role and any important instances in the story, not and overdone writing which has information that can be covered on the game's specific page or sections.
'''Proposer:''' [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]<br>
'''Deadline:''' 7 February, 2010, 15:00
====Support====
#[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]- Per proposal.
#[[User:Toadine|Toadine]]- Per FD09/proposal. Just go to Yoshi's page, it's the prime example of this...You fall asleep just trying to get through it.
#[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]]- Per proposal derp.
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} Per all.
#[[User:Raikiri78|Raikiri78]]- Per above. The opposers don't seem to understand what they're opposing.
#[[User:Joe Diggity|Joe Diggity]]- Per proposal.
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - Misunderstanding, sorry if I got your last straw. As long as it doesn't get rid of any information that is near important, than I will support.
====Oppose====
#{{User|Reversinator}} So basically you're saying to remove good information? No.
#{{User|Red Shell 68066vr}} Per Reversinator.
#{{User|King Bean}} - Per Reversinator.
#{{User|shy guy}}-Per every thing deffinitly no
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Yeah, per Reversinator. Its good to have a large amount of detail in every article, and the more information the better. So there's no reason to cut down any information.
#{{User|Ralphfan}} &ndash; What?  Excuse me?  What?  o_0  Yeah, let's cut down on our articles.  Makes tons of sense!  The more, the merrier, as long as it's factual!  Besides, is there any way to regulate all of this?
#{{User|Garlic Man}} - If we remove sections about cartoon and comic appearances, we would also have to remove sections about game appearances, as they are equally important.
#{{user|Tucayo}} - Per Ralph and GM, this makes absolutely no sense at all.
#{{User|FunkyK38}}- Per GM. All the information should be displayed, as it is all relevant.
====Comments====
Okay this is getting ridiculous. Opposer's votes are invalid. Here's why: This is not setting a rule that removes information about the character while referring to the character's page. It is not removing information about the character at all. This is setting a rule in place that does not allow character's sections to be overly long. It does not allow detailing information that is not relevant to the character's appearance in the specified media. Therefore, the only information getting removed is information that is supposed to be covered on the page of the media that is being covered, information that is not actually relevant to the character. Aside from that it's simply organizing information so that it doesn't cover the game the way the game's page should. That's not what the character's sections are for in the first place. They are here to tell readers the character's role in the game. If you tell a whole plot line on a character's page, that's not relevant. What's relevant is the important things a character does in the game's story and the character's role in the game. Unless these oppose votes have better reasoning than: "This is removing character information" I suggest we remove the votes as that is NOT what this proposal is doing. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
(If you don't want to be confused, don't read this). So basically, take [http://kirby.wikia.com/wiki/The_Fofa_Factor this episode of Kirby] for example. So what you are saying is that the "demon beast" Slice n' Splice should be talked about in depth instead of his article page itself. Also, for Mario's role in SMG. His summary would basically be "Bowser took Peach. MArio goes into space to save Peach. He meets Rosalina. MArio collects Stars. MArio goes to ceneter of galaxy and defeats Bowser". This, too me, breaks consistency, but I think I may be interpreting this wrong. BTW, don't listen to Wikipedia's crap about episode summaries. They '''NEED''' to be in depth because people would get completely lost if some parts are removed. {{User|Gamefreak75}}
Uhmmm-... No. Haha. The point isn't to chop everything down to straight to the point fragments of information. The point is that some information is not needed and some information is not relevant to the character. A good example though is, all of the different club Nintendo comics Yoshi appears in. Clearly a section for each of these appearances is not necessary when that's what the whole point of the comics page is for. Same goes for every appearance a character has in a cartoon episode. Each episode should not be covered separately. If it is mentionable, it will be mentioned, but covering everything is not the point.
For video games, such as smg, it wouldn't be, Bowser stole Peach, Mario did this, he saved her. However it would obviously not be covered the same way the plot is covered on the page itself.
Yes the information is getting reduced, but it's not getting reduced like that. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
:Wow, I didn't misinterpret it! That's a first! However, the thing about the episode summaries only covering the "important" details makes me somewhat questioning this proposal.{{User|Gamefreak75}}
:What exactly do you mean? Like, are you worried it won't explain all the episode they appear in? Because it most definitely will. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
::No, no, no! I'm just saying, it's might only be a measly 3-5 paragraphs to explain a 30 minute episode. Even if there are unimportant scenes that are unrelated to the episode itself. For example, let's say Bowser takes over the castle. Then the next scene, Toad is buying food at somewhere. Because that scene has "no point" to the episode and doesn't affect the plot whatsoever, then don't bother including it. That is a prime example of what '''I''' think may happen. It's been done before at Kirby Wiki, and it throws the whole story off I think if one scene, even for 10 seconds, is not included. {{User|Gamefreak75}}
:Now I believe you are touching on a different subject. This isn't about changing information on the game or cartoon's page. It's about changing the information about the character, on their page, about the specific cartoon.
Like, we wouldn't mention Toad buying something right after Bowser was doing something if this was being written on Bowser's page. But we would if it was actually the episodes page. Get it? [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
:Makes sense. So your saying that you'd include it in the episode summary, but not on Bowser's page, if I am right? But I am still confused about the characters page part. For example, in almost all Kriby episodes the demon beast only appears once and is destroyed by Kirby, right? I think I am misinterpreting this now, but for characters that only make a debut in the anime episode once, I suggest we put as much as we can onto the character's article. {{User|Gamefreak75}}
:Okay yeah, you're getting awfully specific, but aside from this not being the Kirby wiki, yes. If there's not much to cover in the first place then adding that full information doesn't apply here because the point is reducing overly done information, not a limited amount of information. I thought that would be self explanatory though. So tell me, why exactly are you opposing then? That's where I'm confused.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
::I was opposing because I thought you wanted to shorten episode summaries to only the basic info, nothing unrelated. But you didn't answer my questiona 'bout the characters. {{User|Gamefreak75}}
:What question are you referring to?[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
"Example from Wikipedia: A plot summary is not a recap. It should not cover every scene and every moment of a story. "
Wikipedia has its reason to not haver overly fanish or long plot summary because it was often snarked at for having more articles on Pokemon that on "serious" subjects. Not so here, the purpose '''is''' to have every irrelevant minutia related to Mario being documented.
If you're talking about stuff like replacing things like "Mario jumped on Bowser, and tried to jump on him, but Bowser sidestep and breathed fire but then Mario kicked him in the crotch" by "Mario had a battle with Bowser and kicked him painfully in the crotch", that's more asking for good writing than any pointless regulation of info, really.
But since you seem to be talking about Characters page, I agree than a summary for the cartoon/comics should explain the important events of the thing without describing the whole episode (Or to use examples, [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1) this]] = good, [[http://turok.wikia.com/wiki/Joshua_Fireseed this]] = bad. But the prolbem is that the Mario cartoon/comics don't have much in the way of coherent continuity so deciding what's important will be a rather painfull process. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 17:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
:I see someone else sees my point.{{User|Gamefreak75}}
Okay, this is getting confusing for even me now. Can you two just tell me what you need to know here?[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
: I think I was being clear enough but I'll repeat: I agree we should trim down the plot summary on the Characters page to the important events, but for the comic and cartoons, there's the issue of what is essential/important since those don't really have any over-arching storyline or continuity. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 18:09, 31 January 2010 (EST)
I see now. Well I think the main point was getting rid of the standard of breaking up the episode sinto their own tiny little sections. Also, if they are indeed that unrelated to each other. In some cases, it might be as simple as breaking down the characters role in the cartoons or comics overall. and if this is too complicated I might just have to create two separate proposals, but I don't think so. I'm sure that if the problem is a character appearing in too many episodes of a cartoon or comic, such as Yoshi, it won't be hard to mention everything they do in respective episodes, and to explain their role overall though. So does that answer that issue for you? Like I have said, I'm not trying to get rid of information hat is relevant to the character. [[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
Wait, so hold up a second -- if I understand this "propsal" correctly, you're saying that some character pages (including one that I frequently visit, which I won't say here) -- specifically the "major" characters, have content that should have been kept mainly for game articles and such...? --[[User:MeritC|MeritC]]
Depends on what specifically you'd be referring to. I'm guessing you are referring to Princess Peach. Hers is actually not a big problem. Her bigger game sections could do with some rewriting, but none of the information that is relevant to Peach would be getting removed, so not much is going to change. Just setting standards.[[User:ForeverDaisy09|FD09]]
This, my friends, would be impossible to regulate if enough numbskullery exists in the world for it to pass. &ndash; {{User|Ralphfan}}
:That's like saying it's impossible to regulate decent writing on the wiki. Yeah, we have our dud articles that make you say "huh?" when you read them, but for the most part, our articles are perfectly intelligible. It's simply a matter of regularly checking articles to see how well-written they are. The same thing applies here: if this proposal goes into effect, it's going to be a matter of regularly checking articles to make sure there's no unnecessary information in them. {{User|Stooben Rooben}}


==Miscellaneous==
==Miscellaneous==

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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

  1. Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
  2. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
    • Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
    • Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
    • Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
  3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
  4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
  5. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
  6. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
  7. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
  8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  10. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
  11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
  12. There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
  13. Proposals cannot be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
  14. If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  15. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format

This is an example how your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".

===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===
[describe what you want this Proposal to be like, what changes you would suggest and what this is about]

'''Proposer:''' {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' [insert a deadline here, f.e. "5 January, 2010, 17:00". Rule 2 above explains how to determine a deadline]

====Support====

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}} at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on anoother user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".

CURRENTLY: 05:34, 4 June 2024 (EDT)


Talk Page Proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.

How To

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages effected must be mentioned in the brief description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "(Template:Fakelink)". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{fakelink}} to communicate its title. The Deadline must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3, 4 and 5, as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one.
  4. Talk page proposals may closed by the proposer if both the support and the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
  5. After two weeks, a clear majority of three votes is required. Without the majority, the talk page proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM".
  6. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.

List of Talk Page Proposals

New Features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

 

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