Talk:Cloud (enemy)

Merge with Cloud (cover)?

These are clouds whose purpose is to obscure the screen, it seems a sensible merge to me. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:12, March 16, 2025 (EDT)

But those are always stationary (and eyeless), aren't they? LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:39, March 16, 2025 (EDT)

Doesn't stop this merging of subjects. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 08:47, March 16, 2025 (EDT)

Considering much of the aforementioned "Cloud Lift" page is "basic-looking cloud you happen to be able to stand on," I'm wondering if we should make an "environmental object" page for non-distinct clouds like have recently started being made more commonly on here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:22, March 16, 2025 (EDT)

Merge with Cloud (cover) (proposal) (parenthetical)

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Current time: September 23, 2026, 18:11 (UTC)

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Somehow this page doesn't have a screenshot of the clouds in-gameplay, so, here! (It's in the center of the second platform from the bottom.)

We'll try to keep this brief, but, well, with something so simple, any attempt to explain it in-depth is gonna be longer than the page itself, sorry. This page is about the clouds in Hotel Mario, which primarily exist to obstruct the player's vision. They don't do a good job of it, sure, but it's clearly what they're meant to do, considering Mario even says "It's hard to see through those clouds." in the cutscene before the hotel. But then! We also have Cloud (cover)... which is about clouds that. Primarily exist to obstruct the player's vision.

...Why are these two split? If the idea is that it's because these are "enemies", they're not listed as one of the enemies in the manual Enclosed Instruction Book. In the sake of transparency, by using the same "chuck the game's data into a hex editor" trick used to source Evil coin's name, there are a few instances of cloud being listed in the entity lists of levels... But even that isn't a silver bullet, as those entity lists are all-encompassing of basically anything in a level that's not Mario himself, like coin, or whatever puffs is meant to correlate with. Really, the only other difference is the behavior, which, we've merged objects that have different behavior across games for less, and... The fact it has a face, we suppose, but that's hardly a reason to split up different versions of the same subject, otherwise many items in this franchise would be split between versions with or without faces.

In short, we feel like most of the distinction (their behavior and the fact they have a face) is more indicative of it just being an early version of the concept of "cloud that obstructs your view" than later instances, rather than it being its own bespoke concept from it. What we want is straightforward; just merge this guy into the history section of the "Cloud (cover)" page.

Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk)
Deadline: October 3, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Merge (we hope we can get rid of 'em!)

1. Camwoodstock (talk) Per proposal.
2. Wilben (talk) Per proposal.
3. Iand255 (talk) Per proposal.
4. The Real Hotel Mario Fan (talk) Don't see why not. Per proposal.
5. Arend (talk) I'm certainly a big fan of this!
6. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Per hwat I said in the above section. Also, calling this an "enemy" seems misleading since they just bounce around with googly eyes while obstructing vision.
7. P-Tux7 (talk) Hey you, get offa my article!
8. Mr. Sorbetti (talk) We have a seemingly living snowball merged on the snowball page in the Diddy Kong Racing section, so this is consistent. Otherwise, per proposal.
9. Wandering Lakitu (talk) Per all.
10. Mariuigi Khed (talk) Per all.