MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}. This page observes the No-Signature Policy. How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject. Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight. The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. CURRENTLY: 17:25, 6 May 2024 (EDT) New Features None at the moment. Removals None at the moment Splits & Merges Split Missions From Galaxy Articles I think that we should split all of the Super Mario Galaxy missions from their respective galaxy levels. I have started a PipeProject that could help improve the stub articles that would be created, such as adding more in-depth explanations and descriptions about the mission, which planets are traveled to during the mission, creating more specific templates and adding them to the articles, adding/uploading images specific to that level, etc. We could make good articles out of these, but I need community permission before I start splitting a ton of information from the articles. An example of one of these proposed level pages can be found over here. Proposer: Super Mario Bros. (talk) Deadline: Tuesday, 28 July 2009, 17:00 Extended: Tuesday, 4 August 2009, 17:00 Support Marioguy1 (talk) - Nice example, I'm just worried that they won't all be like that! I think it would be only fair as we have articles on: Yoshi's Island 1, Yoshi's Island 2 and even Yoshi's House! Super Mario Bros. (talk) Whoops, forgot to vote. Uh, as you can see, I am the proposer, so my reasons are above. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Great idea, this can avoid stubs in some articles. Zero signing out. Oppose Toadster_04 (talk) I don't think this is necessary. The Galaxy articles are neat and easy to navigate. This would just make the Galaxy articles much smaller and closer to stubs themselves, as well as creating a lot more stubs. Not all missions would translate as well as the one you showed. What about Comet missions? They would either be extremely short or copies of other mission articles. As for your ideas to improve stubs, why not just do this to improve the sections that already exist? This proposal just seems like it would create a lot of work, with little or no gain for the wiki. Walkazo (talk) - While I hate the repetitive nature of the galaxy articles, most of these missions will be stubs, just like most of the individual level articles floating around for the 2-D platformers. I'd rather see all the levels merged into world articles, like the Super Mario Bros. 3 coverage. I'm sure the planet parts of the galaxy articles can be cut down to make the pages less elongated and more like the Super Mario 64 articles - compact and neat, as opposed to fragmented like the separated missions will most-likely turn out. SpriteYoshi (talk)Per Walkazo Comments Can I please see a rough draft of one of the pages before I vote? Marioguy1 (talk) I will work on one, I will probably have it done by tomorrow or the day after and it will be linked to the proposal. Super Mario Bros. (talk) 01:17, 22 July 2009 (EDT) Just remember: You cannot change your proposal three days after you propose it or later! Marioguy1 (talk) - Remember to offer feedback about User:Marioguy1/Mariowiki:Ask the Experts! I think I'll make a proposal about it! Ok. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Changes FAQ transformation OK, let's see, my second proposal, totally random section and the vote count is already 3-1. Anyways here is the proposal: I think the FAQ page is basically a large thing where users can read questions that they all ready know the answers to. On the FAQ talk page we have asking questions. I ask, why don't we put proposals on the Proposal talk page or FI noms on the FI talk page, why do we put it on the main page? I'll answer myself, because it's easier. Since it's easier, I propose we change the old FAQ into my new version (see here) so that users can actually ask their questions on the real Mariowikispace page! Proposer: Marioguy1 (talk) (but I give Super Mario Bros. (talk) permission to man it while I'm away) Deadline: July 31, 2009, 20:00 Remake FAQ Marioguy1 (talk) - Yes, I moved it here to eliminate the problem Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! It will be a good idea with the correct set rules. And plus this will keep me busy from the poll selection page being discontinued for a little while, since the remake FAQ is sort of like the poll selection page, without an "oppose" section. You know how you have that "answer" area, well probably you can also put in a "Tip" or "Pointers" area just for users to give there extra info of what they usually do as a habit. Zero signing out. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Per all. Toadster_04 (talk) I very much like the example you showed. It is a much easier way to ask and answer questions than the previous FAQ. Lu-igi board (talk) it's a good page for teaching new editors how to do stuff. p.s thanks for including me in the example :P WeegeeO (talk) Love the idea of an easier FAQ.I Think it would make everything a little less complicated. Don't Remake FAQ Yoshario (talk) -– I believe the FAQ is fine the way it is. Having a whole lot of answers to a question may be overwhelming to a new user. Time Q (talk): It's called "Frequently Asked Questions", and as such it should be a collection of, well, frequently asked questions (plus the answers). Turning it into a "Ask your questions" system defeats the purpose: Users wouldn't check first if there's already an answer to their question, they would ask it right away. Too much work for everyone. Walkazo (talk) - Per all. We vote on the main Proposal and FA pages because that's the point of those pages, whereas the FAQ page is, as Time Q said, an FAQ page, not a public Q&A - that's the talk page's job (just like the Proposal talk page is a Q&A about general Proposal stuff). Luigifreak (talk) Per all, and I find it pointless to have that new template as it is just like the talk page. There is no rule saying that there can't be multiple answers adding onto previous answers, so the multiple answers table will not encourage users to put multiple answers. In addition, there is usually only one answer per question, so the template will just take up space. SpriteYoshi (talk)Per Walkazo Comments I'm not sure I completely understand your proposal. If it passed, what would happen to the FAQ page we currently have? Where would we put the questions already answered on the page? Time Q (talk) In the archives! That's how the archives would stop being a red link, then users could actually ask questions and other users could still get that glowing feeling of accomplishment by answering them. Now there is only one page to ask questions. Wait, do you think answered questions should go into the archive or just stay there? Marioguy1 (talk) Zero: Tell you what, I'll open a little thing on User talk:Marioguy1/Mariowiki:FAQ for any user to tell me how they think it should look; I'll have the agreed-on version on the User page. Marioguy1 (talk) Yoshario: I kind of agree with your logic but these are people we're talking about. I may not know much about people but I think one of their qualities is that they are not overwhelmed by more than one answer. If it were a cat or a dog I would understand but people are the most intelligent species on the planet (most of them anyways) and will not be overwhelmed by five or six answers. Marioguy1 (talk) If we use this system, we may also have a lot of repeat questions, whereas if we use a FAQ page, they would read the FAQ first. @Zero777 When we removed the poll one of our goals was to get users editing in the mainspace, and I don't think creating a whole new FAQ system would work. @Marioguy1 They still might get overwhelmed by repeating tips and answers. --Yoshario (talk) Yoshario: This is SMB, Marioguy 1 told me to handle all proposals-related stuff for him, including replying to questions. What I have to say on the matter is that perhaps we should make a rule not allowing repeat answers. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Miscellaneous Mario Calendar Okay, we used to have a calendar on the main page, for those who weren't here, it can be compared to the "On This Day" section of the Wikipedia Main Page. The Mario Calendar, however, was removed from the Main Page and replaced by the Featured Images during April 2009. Some others wanted the Calendar and the Featured Images to be on the Main Page at the same time. Now, I originally supported the removing of the Calendar as it was not updated and maintained. But I realized that the Calendar could be informative and teach everybody something about Mario that they didn't know. So I am suggesting: We have both the Mario Calendar and the Featured Images put back up. If it were maintained, it would improve the wiki. I'd be happy to maintain it if it were put back up. Proposer: Super Mario Bros. (talk) Deadline: Wednesday, 29 July 2009, 17:00 Bring The Calendar Back Super Mario Bros. (talk) Per me. Leirin (talk) Totally. I loved the calendar, but at the same time I like the Featured Images, so having both would be an awesome combo. We should also educate all the new Mario players! Booman (talk) Per all. Marioguy1 (talk) - My issues were resolved! For more information about what this amazing user's intellectual ideas were, see his comments below! Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! I wasn't here to see the calender, but I do remeber something was in the place where the FI was at, I will love to see it again. Zero signing out. Baby Mario Bloops (talk) Awe, I loved the calendar! I never found out why they removed it (maybe for the supid featured image), but there is enough room on the main page for it. It was always fun to find out what came out in that month! Oh yeah, just to try to anwser the question about not enough room on the main page, get rid of the Did you Know? section, since it rarely ever changes (just a suggestion)? Dimenshi Knight (talk) Per Baby Mario Bloops! Timmy Tim (talk)I miss the calender and the Tourney space opens up some room. Lu-igi board (talk) the calendar added another useless fact to my day! Keep It The Way It Is Time Q (talk): Have both the FI and the calendar? No, that would take too much space. We need a nice, clear main page, but that would be overkill. Also, per my reason to remove the calender from the old proposal: "I've always wondered what the point of the calendar is. Does anybody actually look at it and go, 'ZOMG, game X was released Y years ago, let's celebrate this day!'?" Yoshario (talk) – The Main Page is already cluttered up, adding another thing would make the page look even more messy. Also, the Calendar was hard to maintain. I remember one time we didn't have a Calendar ready for February, so we had to go searching for games released on February. The Calendar itself doesn't really have a purpose other than show when games were released. Stooben Rooben (talk) — Per all. The Mario Calendar was useless to begin with, let alone the fact that no one had the dedication to update it regularly, find release dates, and everything else required to make the calendar look decent. Not to mention the fact that the Main Page is insanely cluttered right now, (I personally think we should get rid of some thing[s]), and it takes really long to load; the more templates and coding we put on the Main Page, the longer it's going to take to load. In the long run, it's just way too much effort for far too small of a thing. Tucayo (talk) - Per all, it would be better in The 'Shroom Walkazo (talk) - Per all. The Main Page goes downhill every time one of these new things is added; I miss the days when it was just FAs, the news, a Proposal, a Did You Know and the Quote. The FI seems superfluous (FAs at least motivate people to write good articles, but there is no shortage of uploads), the Polls are more trouble than they're worth, and the Tourneys is the sorta community-centered thing you'd expect to see on Userpedia, but not on our encyclopedia's Main Page. Leave the Calendar to The 'Shroom (and we can deal with the rest later). Paper Yoshi (talk) - Despite thinking the calendar would be a good idea, my answer is no. The Main Page takes TOO much time to load, as some users have already pointed out. Therefore, I'm per all of them. Dark Lakitu 789 (talk) Per all Luigifreak (talk) Per all. We should only put on new things if we swap it for something (*ahem* Did you know......) or it will be far too cluttered, as it is with the tourneys right now. SpriteYoshi (talk)Per Time Q Comments Are you sure the calender will fit onto the main page with the FA thing? Marioguy1 (talk) The template fit back then, it probably could fit now. If it doesn't fit in the space the Main Page has now, the page is just going to be longer. Especially with the other newly-approved Tournament template, it will have to be added accordingly with that. Super Mario Bros. (talk) 00:26, 23 July 2009 (EDT) I forgot about that one, maybe these two sections could be added next to each other! Marioguy1 (talk) Hey, that would look nice! Also, I looked all over for them, and I found a couple of month's worth of information left-over from the original template! That means it isn't going to be too hard to get it back... Super Mario Bros. (talk) Yay, subscript day! Time Q, it is actually very informative. I know when it was on the Main Page I read almost every detail of it. I thought it would have been a good idea to move it to the 'Shroom (that is probably the only reason I didn't oppose it), but I don't remember it going on the 'Shroom. The "Calendar of Events" is not like it at all, and that is probably the only calendar related thing on the 'Shroom. It also seems that more people support the Calendar than in the original proposal. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Yay, Subscript Day! Wouldn't it be a good compromise then to finally add the calendar to the 'Shroom rather than putting it on the main page? It's really glutted already. Time Q (talk) Happy Subscript Day! Anyhow, I didn't even know we had a calender and I think it would be very good, maybe we could minimize it and stick it in that space between FI and FQ! Marioguy1 (talk) Perhaps we could put it in between the Proposals template and Featured Quote. We could minimize it from the original size and link it to the whole template, which would mean this can fit on the main page without making it lengthier. If this passes, I might make a PipeProject to hlp gather the type of information needed. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Yay, subscript day! 16:24, 23 July 2009 (EDT) I would join it! BTW, SMB, your other proposal passed! Marioguy1 (talk) Thanks, I would appreciate the help. And, also, thank you for archiving my proposal for me. :) Super Mario Bros. (talk) Yay, subscript day! 17:34, 23 July 2009 (EDT) Perhaps we should get rid of the "Did You Know" section? We have received complaints of how it is never maintained. Super Mario Bros. (talk) 20:56, 28 July 2009 (EDT) I update it, i just couldnt update it last week, because i was away, but now im searching for the stuff and will update it tomorrow Tucayo (talk) Oh, okay. Super Mario Bros. (talk) 22:35, 28 July 2009 (EDT)