Talk:Pig

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Why Do We have This Page? it seems pretty Useless and Doesn't have much info about The creatures on it. LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2018 (EDT)

We have it because it is an aspect in a Mario game; however, the writing is very bad, so I tagged it with {{rewrite}}. -YFJ (talk · edits) 00:03, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

It could probably be expanded as well, to include other pig characters maybe? Dealing with real-world species in a Mario universe is always strange to cover, imo. 00:44, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

But having Characters Who have other pages is redundant and got the Parrot Page Deleted. all the other Pig characters have pages and the real world species only appears in this one game (To My Knowledge.) So We really should do something. LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 00:58, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

also Unrelated But What does imo mean? LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 01:00, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Considering this page covers just the Thousand-Year Door bits of pigs, and according to MarioWiki:Generic subjects, it may not even need an expansion unless there are other regular pigs that are important to the game in some way. Like in The Wind Waker. EDIT: That was a terrible, non-Mario-related example, but no other game is coming to mind or in a search, so...

And imo means "in my opinion". 01:03, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Thanks For the info on imo. also are The Pigs in TTYD important enough? LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 01:18, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

I am honestly not sure. The paragraph about the story events are already covered in the relevant section of the game's page, and there's nothing exactly noteworthy of them aside from that they used to be humans. They really just act like simple pigs.

Unless there are other notable pigs I am not finding, the page is a likely candidate for deletion. 01:24, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

The page actually says that it was in SML2 and DKC:TF. -YFJ (talk · edits) 01:38, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, but as individual characters. I mean roles where generic unnamed pigs actually serve a purpose. 01:39, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Well i Tried To Look Up Pigs in The Mario series (along With Cats) but only got the pigs that already have separate pages so it seems this is the only game with real world pigs. LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 02:07, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Well i Don't Think We need This Page Because The Pigs Don't Contribute anything To The story (Besides Telling Paper Mario That Doopliss is turning people into pigs) and the pigs aren't even pigs their humans or rather Twilighters turned into pigs. Plus i Feel The pigs are rather useless even compared to The Deleted Elephant Page and Giraffe Page (Due To Elephants and Giraffes Stealing Donkey Kong's Bananas Which is apart of the plot) so Why Have it? i Suggest To Delete This Page or Merge it With the Li'l Oink page since the Li'l Oinks and these Pigs are so darn similar Looking. LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 12:56, 14 April 2018 (EDT)

You can't interact with the elephants and giraffes. You can interact with the pigs, and can tattle them, and unlike the elephants and giraffes, they are integral to that part of the plot. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:03, 14 April 2018 (EDT)

Eh, Good Point. LUIGIRULES71 (talk) 13:09, 14 April 2018 (EDT)

Scope?

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Is this page meant to specifically be about the cursed pigs from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door? Or is it meant to be about pigs in general?

The infobox and opening paragraph seem to believe this is a page for "generic pigs" in this series, and a lot of pages tend to link to this article for that purpose as well, but more than 94% of the information on this page is exclusively focused around the PMTTYD pigs.

Conversely, this page doesn't really go into detail about the PMTTYD pigs themselves that much, largely summarizing their entire role as "In Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Doopliss turns the citizens of Twilight Town into Pigs with the ring of a bell. When Doopliss is defeated, everyone is turned back." and then comparing their designs to Li'l Oinks. This dual contradiction has left the article not giving proper coverage to either topic particularly well.

I do have some ideas regarding how we could possibly fix/improve this page, but first I need to definitively know what the "point" of the article is supposed to be. Wandering Poplin (talk) 22:01, April 18, 2026 (UTC)

Seems like this should be just about the TTYD ones, given that's 95% of what it's about anyway. The Li'l Oink comparison should definitely be kept, though, given this is the direct sequel and their similar appearance is almost certainly intentional. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:09, April 18, 2026 (UTC)

I don't mean to imply that the Li'l Oink comparison is irrelevant, it just comes across as somewhat out of place when it's one of only 4 sentences talking about the subject in the opening paragraph.

What should we do about all the other links, however? Pages such as Influenza tontonbū-gata, Mr. Hoggle, Witch (boss) and Squig all link to this article when it has very little to do with them beyond... the vague descriptor of "Pig." Wandering Poplin (talk) 22:25, April 18, 2026 (UTC)

The flu thing (and maybe the witch thing) might actually be relevant enough to stay if it were added to this page given the context and role is similar. I'd remove the links from Hoggle, Squig, the three Pigheads boss, Prof. Chops, Troff, and any others that might be out there. I personally don't like it when non-generic named humanoid-type characters that are based on a species are treated as outright members of the article's subject; for instance, I don't think Wart should be considered as a notable member of frog (though Frogfucious I could take or leave, given he's at least not humanoid and him being that game's answer to frogs is highly important to the context of his role and existence). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:02, April 19, 2026 (UTC)

Perhaps we should change the name of the article to Pig (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) to clear up the ambiguity? Yes, I do know that there are no other articles with this name, but that may the cause of the problem itself. The name is so vague that it very easily falls victim to "generification," which is likely how the page ended up this way to begin with. Wandering Poplin (talk) 15:55, April 20, 2026 (UTC)

i agree with restraining this to just the TTYD pigs. it really seems like the only "regular pig" that warrants an article. — eviemaybe (talk) 16:01, April 20, 2026 (UTC)