Talk:King Koopa's alter egos

Move to "Alter egos of King Koopa"

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keep the same name 4-7
It sounds a bit more formal that way.

Proposer: Mariotime11 (talk)
Deadline: June 28, 2013, 23:59 (UTC)

Move

1. Mariotime11 (talk) – Per proposal
2. YoshiKong (talk) – Per proposal, it does indeed sound more suitable.
3. Yoshi876 (talk) – Per proposal.
4. ParaLemmy1234 (talk) – Per proposal.

Keep

1. Pinkie Pie (talk) No, because King Koopa's alter ego is a catchy name.
2. Walkazo (talk) - Seems like an arbitrary change: not worth the trouble of updating all the links and redirects and whatnot, and not worth making us all remember the new name. Besides, it sounds more natural as-is anyway, and more importantly, having the more important pat of the name (i.e. the character in question, "King Koopa") come first seems better for searching purposes.
3. SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per LGM's comment.
4. MrConcreteDonkey (talk) - Per Walkazo.
5. LeftyGreenMario (talk) Per all and my comment.
6. Time Turner (talk) Per all.
7. Ace Shadow (talk) Per all.

Comments

@Pinkie Pie: I don't think that's a valid oppose reason, that's like saying you're opposing because you like the name --driftmaster130 (Talk • Edits) 11:43, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

I Understand, but "Alter egos of King Koopa" is a log word to understand. "King Koopa's alter egos" is a small word to understand. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 11:51, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

1) That's a phrase, not a word, and 2) How does the inclusion of the extremely simple word "of" make it harder to understand? LB (talk • edits • forum) 23:46, 15 June 2013 (EDT)

I see Mr. Game & Watch, but why can't we use "King Koopa's alter egos" instead of "Alter egos of King Koopa" -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 15:30, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

I have a question: what about other articles pertaining to possessive names? Bowser's Bogus Items, for instance? I don't see why we should move this article to "Alter egos of King Koopa". The new name sounds just wordier, and the best way to express things is to do it in as few words as possible. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:15, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

Should Robo-Koopa be split?

There's a big difference between "wearing a silly costume" and "operating a giant mech," after all. It seems a different situation that doesn't quite mesh with the others. EDIT: I just noticed the Robo Suit article, but this still feels a little off to me. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:54, October 5, 2020 (EDT)

I think the Robo Suit article should suffice. ^(T|C) 22:00, October 5, 2020 (EDT)

Since the suit is fully covered on its own article, I don't think we need a separate article for Bowser wearing the suit. It's fine as-is. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:10, January 18, 2022 (EST)

The other "King Koopa's" alter-egos.

Since it seems that KC Deluxe's version of Bowser "King Koopa" also has a habit of assuming one-shot alter egos, shouldn't we rename this article to something like List of King Koopa's alter egos in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!?

I'm assuming the only reason "KC Koopa's" alter-egos haven't been merged into one page like we did with this version of the character, is simply because of the recency of the manga's coverage on this wiki, meaning that they likely didn't get as much scrutiny as their DIC counterparts might have 13+ years ago. (Which will hopefully change sooner or later...) Wandering Poplin (talk) 01:49, January 23, 2026 (UTC)

Even aside from the issue regarding the "other King Koopa," the name "List of King Koopa's alter egos in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!" would be a bit more descriptive than the present name, which implies a scope so broad that it could potentially cover any version of the character using the name "King Koopa," such as the few disguises he had in the other two cartoons produced by DIC, as well as whatever alternate identities he may assume in the Nintendo Comics System. Wandering Poplin (talk) 17:30, January 23, 2026 (UTC)

This point is somewhat irrelevant to the above discussion, but I think the article could also use a little bit of clean up. The sections regarding the alter-egos themselves are currently somewhat inconsistently written, some describe what Koopa does in the episode where that alter-ego appears, while others only describe his appearance/abilities but do not tend to specify his role in the story. Wandering Poplin (talk) 01:01, January 24, 2026 (UTC)

Decide how to handle King Koopa's alter egos

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Current time: April 21, 2026, 07:32 (UTC)

This proposal aims to decide how to handle King Koopa's alter egos. Wandering Poplin said that the potential to move to List of King Koopa's alter egos in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! is quite irrelevant to the discussion here. As such, the article does not meet the Manual of Style.

As such, I offer three options:

Option 1

Rework the article with subsections instead of tables.

Option 2

Merge this page with History of Bowser and merge List of King Koopa's alter egos in other languages with List of Bowser names in other languages

Option 3

Keep as-is.

In case of option 1, I've created a draft as an example.

In case of option 2, here is an example for History of Bowser § The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!:

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The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!

King Koopa, as seen in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!

“Then as the old saying goes... He who Koops and runs away, lives to Koop another day!”

—King Koopa, "King Mario of Cramalot"

In The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, Bowser often takes on various aliases and costumes and try to enact a dastardly plot of some sort, most commonly trying to conquer a kingdom or steal an ancient treasure and/or artifact; aiding Bowser in these plots are his Koopa Pack and a sidekick of sorts, most commonly Mouser. In several episodes, Bowser captures Princess Toadstool and attempts to blackmail her into giving him the Mushroom Kingdom, although some other episodes imply that he already has some measure of control over the kingdom.

King Koopa's alter egos are the many aliases used by King Koopa throughout numerous episodes of the series. With a few exceptions, an alter ego involves both a special costume as well as a different name. The only episodes where King Koopa employs more than one alter ego is "Koopenstein" and "Escape from Koopatraz", both which each have two.

"Pirates of Koopa"

King Koopa goes by the alter ego Blackbeard Koopa in "Pirates of Koopa".

In "Pirates of Koopa", King Koopa goes by the alter ego of Blackbeard Koopa, otherwise known as Long John Koopa,^[34], and owns his ship. Unlike other pirates such as Captain Clump, he does not wear an eyepatch, a hook on his hand, or a peg leg. His costume consists of a blue pirate's outfit and hat with a lighter blue feather.

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That way, we will learn how it's important to know how to decide.

Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Deadline: May 1, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Option 1: Rework with subsections

1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) My primary choice.

Option 2: Merge this page

1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) My secondary choice.

Option 3: Keep as-is

1. Arend (talk) From what I can gather, GuntherBayBeee seems to have completely misinterpreted Wandering Poplin's issues with the page as-is (particularly, he seems to have misinterpreted their "This point is somewhat irrelevant to the above discussion, but I think the article could also use a little bit of clean up" as the potential move to List of King Koopa's alter egos in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! being irrelevant to their own discussion they started that is ABOUT moving the page to that title! And then misinterpreting the rest of that comment as reformatting the whole page from tables into subsections, somehow). No, we don't need to rework the tables into subsections, nor do we need to merge the whole thing into History of Bowser; neither of these actually address any of Poplin's issues. Frankly, the tables themselves are fine, and highly preferable over the subsections, if the overly long TOC for the many, many extremely short subsections on the draft page indicate anything.
2. Wandering Poplin's alter-ego (talk) Per Arend. This proposal would change the article, but it doesn't fix the article in any meaningful way.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all. The problem with the page wasn't that it was using a table, the problem is that the prose itself could do with clean-up considering it's built upon about a decade and a half's worth of writing standards. Changing the form factor is just a change for the sake of it.
4. Hewer (talk) None of these options have any relation to the previous discussion.
5. Paradox (talk) I think keeping it as-is is good enough.
6. Mario (talk) Per all

Alter ego comments

No option to split? I don't necessarily advocate that, but it feels odd to lack it given how we handle episode-by-episode Goomba, Shyguy, Troopa, etc. variations. And we now have several pages for comic alter-egos. I absolutely do not support merging to Bowser's own history page, not just because it's already huge but because that will require losing information to not bloat it further. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:37, April 17, 2026 (UTC)

...This isn't quite what I had in mind about fixing the article. This issues I had with this page were:

• The page's inconsistent formatting. As noted above, "Some [sections of the page] describe what Koopa does in the episode where that alter-ego appears, while others only describe his appearance/abilities but do not tend to specify his role in the story."
• The article's name, which could imply a broader scope than what the page actually covers. I think it's important to specify that this is the TSMBSS version of King Koopa, since other versions of the character with alter-egos/costumes also exist.
• The fact that certain alter-egos are (objectively) noteworthy enough to be split, but are currently in a strange "semi-merged, semi-split" state of existence. (Namely, the articles for the Robo-suits and Koop-zillaGiant Mario.

This proposal (as well as the sandbox example you provided) did not appear to sufficiently address any of those problems. Also, I don't understand what you mean by "Wandering Poplin said that the potential to move to List of King Koopa's alter egos in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! is quite irrelevant to the discussion here." I do not recall saying anything of the sort. Wandering Poplin (talk) 17:24, April 17, 2026 (UTC)

Additionally, before any changes are made to the proposal, I also think it's important to clarify that (assuming you plan to add an option to split the alter-egos) not all of the alter-egos need to have their own page.

Count Koopula or the Koopenstein Monster probably have enough information to sustain their own articles, but King O' Koopa, Al Koopone, and Klaimjump Koopa are effectively just King Koopa in different clothing. This should be handed with a nuanced, case-by-case basis. Wandering Poplin (talk) 18:02, April 17, 2026 (UTC)

I'll also add that the reason why Poplin suggested to move it to List of King Koopa's alter egos in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! in the first place is because the King Koopa in the KC Deluxe manga also has a variety of alter egos, which could as well use an article to list all of them, but so far, don't; with many of them instead having their own article (e.g. King Tetris). Hence why the section above is called The other "King Koopa's" alter-egos.. Quite frankly, the cleanup portion was really the irrelevant part of the discussion, NOT the move. rend (talk) (edits) 18:56, April 17, 2026 (UTC)

Exactly. we have an entire discussion on a different page related to the issue regarding "KC Deluxe King Koopa's alter-egos," but haven't quite reached a consensus on the matter. Wandering Poplin (talk) 19:04, April 17, 2026 (UTC)