Talk:Hisstocrat (pink)

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So while this is pretty clearly a separate individual from the purple Hisstocrat, the fact that the respective names in both English and Japanese identical, the fact that her introduction level is called "Hisstocrat's Return" (which itself reminds me of King Kaliente's Spicy Return), and the fact that the only real functional difference is a projectile (a difference that does not carry to their dual battle) makes it seem the game is rather adamant that these are the same subject. In light of this, I feel perhaps we should merge this to Hisstocrat and write it as a family, ie "The Hisstocrats are a pair of giant regal snake bosses fought both individually and as a pair in Super Mario 3D World." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:03, May 17, 2021 (EDT)

You mean the "blue" one, by purple? Maybe i can see a merge happening, but it can work either way. But, considering the orange/blue, and black/red King Kaliente thing, i think the gender, and different clothing, it seems to be an aesthetic change, and doesn't affect gameplay in any way. --Green Yoshi FanOfYoshi 14:44, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
I'd be fully in support of a merge. --Green Yoshi FanOfYoshi 13:23, October 28, 2021 (EDT)
I agree with Doc -- this can be merged. Results May Vary (talk) 14:44, October 28, 2021 (EDT)
I agree with everything said here. Somethingone (talk) 14:48, October 28, 2021 (EDT)
I wouldn't mind merging these either. Swallow's profile picture shown in NEO: The World Ends With You Swallow Rindo Kanade 15:00, October 28, 2021 (EDT)

Merge with Hisstocrat[edit]

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Merge 6-0
Following the discussion above, I thought I would propose this. As said already, these may be seperate individuals in Boss Blitz but the game still treats it as the same subject, particularly with the level containing the solo pink Hisstocrat battle "Hisstocrat returns". The change of projectiles should also be considered where the blue Hisstocrat shoots rocks, pink shoots fireballs, and both shoot fireballs in Boss Blitz (the change in projectiles may have been to heat up the difficulty for the later battles).

Proposer: Swallow (talk)
Deadline: November 15, 2021, 23:59 GMT


  1. Swallow (talk) Per proposal
  2. Somethingone (talk) Proposal per.
  3. WildWario (talk) Per all.
  4. OhoJeeOnFire (talk) They should be merged. There is not enough difference between them that shows they should be split. Per proposal.
  5. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all, and my opinions above. Just because it's visually a female, doesn't make it any different from the male blue one.
  6. Archivist Toadette (talk) Yeah, there's pretty much only the gender differences between the two.

Leave seperate[edit]


Since there was a lot of support and wasn't any opposition, it doesn't really need a proposal, to be honest. If my efforts weren't currently focused elsewhere I'd have probably merged a few days ago myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:53, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

I guess so. --Green Yoshi FanOfYoshi 13:22, November 1, 2021 (EDT)
I still thought this would help ensure the merge would happen. Swallow's profile picture shown in NEO: The World Ends With You Swallow Rindo Kanade 13:33, November 1, 2021 (EDT)
Personally, I think the pink Hisstocrat should have the same treatment as Fiery Dino Piranha, black King Kaliente, and Gobblegut "(fiery)". Actually has somewhat more of a reason to be separate than those since both types of Hisstocrat appear together. LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:30, November 12, 2021 (EST)
I don't think the black King Kaliente has been split, and I'm not sure if we should. Swallow's profile picture shown in NEO: The World Ends With You Swallow Rindo Kanade 16:33, November 12, 2021 (EST)
I actually made a proposal on the matter just over two-and-a-half years ago, but a majority of users back then agreed that the black-colored King Kaliente didn't have enough differences from the tan-colored one to justify a split. Not that I'd ever revisit the matter again without good cause. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 16:44, November 12, 2021 (EST)
Y'all acting like my plan from the start wasn't to use this as a springboard to try merging the Dino Piranhas and Gobbleguts (the former of which has the same model in the data as the base type, a quirk shared with the Kalientes, and of which the normal color has fire breath in M&S). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:35, November 12, 2021 (EST)