Talk:Small bird

Did this need splitting?

They're obviously intended to be the same thing as the Birds from Super Mario World, they even look the same...and they were covered there just fine as well. Howsabout we merge this? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2017

We have an article for generic butterflies, despite their differences in behavior. The ones in Super Mario Sunshine don't need their own page, and neither do the ones in 3D Land.This also got rid of the coverage of other ambient birds in the series, as well as removing reference to the ones in Mario is Missing, which actually do things. This was unnecessary and somewhat appalling. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:54, 23 July 2017

Well, these birds always have the same appearance in the various games they are featured in, two of which are spin-off titles, not games directly derived from Super Mario 3D games. I think that this alone makes them notable enough. To further show their importance, these same birds are going to be featured in Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, a crossover game. Also, the birds of Super Mario Sunshine are involved in the gameplay, so I don't really see why they don't deserve their own page. If you want to create a page for the other ambient birds, feel free to create it, but in my opinion these little white birds are just too relevant not to deserve their own page.--Mister Wu (talk) 18:56, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

No, they're not "obviously intended" to be the same thing as the birds from Super Mario World (and I don't even know where you got "they even look the same", they don't have the same color and structure, at best, they're both passerine-like birds, but that's pretty much it). In Super Mario World, the birds have sparrow-like designs and have their colors based on the colored Yoshis. In Super Mario 3D Land, they are white, designed after tists, and have crests and do not draw any parallel to the appearance of the birds on the roof of Super Mario World. And as Mister Wu said, if the ambient animals have a gameplay function, they deserve their own page, and the birds and butterflies in Super Mario Sunshine etc do have a gameplay function different from their real world counterpart and thus deserve a page.

I've gave this specific bird a page mostly because of its extremely specific design for an ambient object and its gameplay role in Mario Sports Superstars. Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:02, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

To add to this, these birds even have an entry in the objects section of Super Mario 3D Land in the Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros., on page 185:

小鳥

コースにいてマリオが近づくと飛び立つ。

This also gives them an official Japanese name, by the way. Anyway, regardless of whether this last aspect is notable for this wiki or not, their relevance reaching the point of affecting the gameplay of Mario Sports Superstars already makes them worth a page. Regarding the other birds, after a discussion we had we reached the consensus that it's probably better at this point to concentrate our efforts on the most relevant ones, such as the ones that affect the gameplay.--Mister Wu (talk) 20:06, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Moving to "Little Bird"

This wasn't discussed. Just saying. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:10, 20 October 2017 (EDT)

BJAODN

dude, when I saw 1996 on the year on the first revision, It should be in BJAODN.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Astro-Lanceur (talk).

That makes no sense. 20:07, 27 November 2017 (EST)

It was me forgetting to change the date on Super Mario 3D Land on the infobox from a copy-pasta. It originally said 1996. Considering how quickly the mistake was fixed, I don't think it deserves to be on BJAODN. Ray Trace^(T|C) 21:30, 27 November 2017 (EST)

Oh. Yeah, no, probably not. 22:03, 27 November 2017 (EST)

"Little Bird"

In the one source we have for the name, The Cat Mario Show, "little bird" is clearly a descriptor and not meant to be a proper name. They're likely called "little birds" in the first place to distinguish them from other birds in the game, like Flaptor and Wingo. It's even shortened to just a generic "bird" after being introduced. Scrooge200 (talk) 19:57, May 23, 2019 (EDT)

Even if we are going to keep the “little” part of the name, it’s still spelled “little bird,” not “Little Bird.” The capitalization should be changed. Scrooge200 (talk) 18:27, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

I have always been confused about them being called "Little Birds" and thought "Birds" would make more sense. I didn't notice our sources for that until now. Since both sources refer to them as "little birds", we should keep their name, because it currently appears to be official. However, "little" is not capitalized in either source, so I do agree about changing the capitalization. --DeepFriedCabbage 18:47, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

As surprising as it sounds, little is part of the Japanese name as well, hence this consistency in using the adjective might not be a coincidence. In any case, both in Japanese and in English those birds don't have a proper name, so I agree with changing the capitalization to match that used in the official Twitter account. Mister Wu (talk) 19:57, August 19, 2019 (EDT)