Talk:Final Smash

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Do you think the character final smashes qualify for having their own article each? Or should all of them be listed and described here? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:09, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Nope. You SHOULD list em' here, but only as links to the actual pages. They are seperate attacks you know, so they deserve their own article. - My Bloody Valentine

Final Smash compilation video

This YouTube video has Final Smashes of various characters, including Meta Kight, Ike, and Zero Suit Samus, whose Final Smashes are not up on the Dojo yet. Can we put them up here and give them conjectural names until the Dojo reveals the real ones, like we did with Kirby before his Final Smash went up on the Dojo? — NES Boy 12:11, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

We cannot create articles for them, but we can add them to the table on this page and list their names as "unknown". - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:28, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

Wario's Final Smash

Should we put Wario's final smash u kno the big Wario Waft he does King Mario

The Wario Waft is Wario's Down special move, not his Final Smash. Xzelion^ETC

Zero Suit Samus' Final Smash...

...does not make her equip her Fusion Suit. First of all, that is only a palette swap of the Fusion Suit. It still has the same overall appearance as the Power Suit. Second, that Fusion Suit palette swap is one of Samus' colors, just like there is a "Fire Mario" color for Mario, a yellow "Daisy" dress for Peach, and a "Dark Link" color for Link. And last, what ZSS's Final Smash basically does is make her equip her armored suit.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by ElementGodX (talk).

That sounds reasonable. But do you have a source? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:11, 4 November 2007 (EST)

This doesn't require a source. It requires common sense. Why would they complicate Samus even more by making ZSS become Fusion Suit Samus? One Final Smash after the other is ridiculous:

Samus + Smash Ball = Zero Suit Samus + Smash Ball = Fusion Suit Samus + Smash Ball = ???

^ That is highly unlikely. ElementGodX

High unlikeliness doesn't help an encyclopedia. However, the previous statement about the Fusion Suit didn't have a source as well, so there's no way I could say something against it. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Turns out he's right, I think. The website publically posted the palette swap making Samus look just like she does in the screenshot we have for this "final smash". You'll also remember that each fighter can only use one Final Smash per game according to early information. This could have changed, but Sakurai hasn't said anything to the opposite effect. As it stands, I feel our concern should be that, unless there is video proof, we are assuming the attack exists based on high likeliness. Stumpers! 18:33, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Hmm... Final Smashes can only be used once? Then how come Zero Suit Samus can use a Smash Ball when Samus has already used a Smash Ball to become Zero Suit Samus. It is either that Final Smashes can be used more than once or that the whole Zero Suit Samus using a Smash Ball was fake. MarioBros777 It's Back to Editing!!!Think about it or unless you can start of as Zero Suit Samus.

My point was that, based on the "it can only be used once," we are assuming that she has one, which is more questionable than passing off what we now know to be a color swap as a final smash. Who cares, though? In two weeks, all this will be moot when the Japanese version comes out. Stumpers! 14:06, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Okay, for the record, you were right all along. Congratulations! Stumpers! 16:22, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Attacks unique to Smash Bros.?

No fighter is known to possess the ability to perform these moves in their own worlds under the same conditions, as Smash Balls only exist in the world of Super Smash Bros.

I'm starting to question this statement. While Mario certainly never used a Mario Finale in Mario games and Peach never used Peach Blossom, other attacks like Super Sonic and Light Arrow (ahem) do appear in their respective series and are used by the characters in that way. The attacks existed before Smash Bros. Is the above still correct? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 04:27, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Key phrase, "under the same conditions." I don't know if ZeldaWiki says it, (try zelda.wikia.com they usually are complete), but that picture there was of when Zelda summoned the four Light Spirits and borrowed their power. Definately not like a Smash Ball. :) Sonic's though is a little more iffy. I would say the statement still stands because instead of utilizing 50 Rings in order to become Super Sonic, he utilizes a Smash Ball. So, the means are different. If you'll like to change that sentence to clarify, of course you should do so, but as far as removing it, I feel that would be bad. Oh, and just so you know, I wrote that sentense so I know what I meant... but if you don't that's a sign of a badly written sentense and you should change it. Stumpers! 13:06, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Well, just the fact that the condition is the Smash Ball makes the statement quite obvious. It was better when there were only moves like Giga Bowser Transformation etc. which the character never actually used in the series, but now it's confusing. About Zelda - I don't need a wiki for my info, I have played the game, I only wanted to show it to those who didn't. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:09, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Good. I'm a big Zelda fan as well, but I was thinking the same thing. I read your changes and I feel it is much more informative and not at all speculative. So, big improvement. Stumpers! 16:32, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Diffusion Beam

We need an image for it as it was missed. Phoenix Rider

Trophies

I was thinking about this - should we add all the Final Smash trophies here? (even though they're in other articles) Mario JC

Seems kind of unnecessary. Hello, I'm Time Turner.