Talk:Pokémon Trainer

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Playable?

Should this guy really be counted as a playable character? Considering that his Pokemon (which the player controls) do all the fighting, while he just stands in the background and watches. Yes, I know that you'll select him to "play" as him, but you'll never control him. -- Booster

That's indeed hard to tell. Well, you control him when using the Pokémon Change move, at last. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Ah, I see. I guess he is playble... barely. -- Booster

Red

Since this dude is the protagonist to Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow, most likely Yellow, because of the fact he has all three of the Kanto starter Pokemon, shouldn't we call him Red. Red is the default name that Nintendo calls this character, so...?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mariofan132 (talk).

The site calls him Pokemon Trainer. Max2 (talk)

Yeah, but his real name is Red.

Mariofan132

The creators obviously chose to have a more generic name, the type of a Pokémon Trainer, modelled after on of them, who happens to be Red. You can guess that he will look different if he has alternate costumes, and this is the official name. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:18, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Okay, but could we at least have a redirection? Mariofan132

no. the site calls him Pokemon Trainer. Max2 (talk)

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I don't play the Pokemon games, but wasn't Red the final boss fight in R/B/Y? The player you control is whoever you name it, right? Phoenix Rider

1. no
2. yes. you could name the player.

My point is, though, he's never called Red on the site, meaning it's unnoficial. Max2 (talk)

It's NOT RED! It's a Pokemon Trainer! That's the name on THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE, so that's the OFFICIAL NAME! Max2 (talk)

We'll not have a redirect either. Because 1) noone is likely to search for the Pokémon Trainer and type in the name Red instead and 2) we already have a redirect on Red. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:38, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Not a redirect but a disambiguation. Anyway, the site and most likely the game calls him Pokemon Trainer so lets leave it like this. Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!

That's what I meant! Thanks PJ! To Max2, when Nintendo refers to the star of Pokemon R/B/Y/FR/LG, they refer to him as red. The article on Wiki- and Bulba- pedia is Red. Trust me. To Cobold, some Pokemon fan might be on here and found out that Red was in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, he types in "Red", and turns up at the disambugation page and finds Pokemon Trainer. And to PhoenixWrighter, same thing as Max2. Thank you.

Mariofan132

The official website calls him Pokemon Trainer! Who cares if Wikipedia calls him Red? The official website is THE BEST SOURCE. Max2 (talk)

When he's ever called Red in a trophy description or something, we can go for it. If not, this would be information from other series which is not represented by the crossover, and that's banned by the Importance Policy. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:47, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Max2, you just sounded like some Smash Bros. zombie right there. THE WEB SITE IS THE BEST SOURCE... I know the website is for Super Smash Bros. and this character from Super Smash Bros. is called Pokemon Trainer. I just wanted this page on the Red disambugation. I was actually agreeing with a fellow Wikier and then poof! You guys are fun-suckers.

PS: Wikipedia calls him Red because NINTENDO calls him Red.

Mariofan132

The creator of the game beats the company in total. so there. He's not red. no one would look for him as red because he is not red. He's a pokemon trainer. Max2 (talk)

Okay, I visit Bulbapedia. They have this thing called Bulbanews. It really says Red put in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. They're now thinking, "Cool! I want to check this out on Red's page here." They go there, finding only about a small paragraph saying Red is in Brawl. They think "Dang it! Well, only two other places know about Super Smash Bros., SmashWiki or Mario Wiki. The majority of SmashWiki only talks about famous Super Smash Bros. characters that no one's ever heard of. This Wiki, though, has the information. They type in Red. A bunch of options pop up, Red Ninjakoopa, Axem Red, ect. But at the bottom of that page is "Also known as the Pokémon Trainer around Super Smash Bros. Brawl..." They're satisfied. If Pokémon Trainer isn't on that disambugation page. Pokémon fans that visit here will think this Wiki is slow on news.

Mariofan132

Look, I only added it so you'll be quiet. so do. please. Max2 (talk)

Also, you can't judge it's red just because he has all 3 starters. And, it IS mistaken, FYI. He's not Red at all, but people (like yourself) mistake him for Red. Max2 (talk)

I want to start by saying this is a stupid argument, and finish by telling Phoenix that Red was the protagonist in R/B/Y. He was the final boss in G/C/S.Saudy^Talk!

Considering so many bloody Pokemon trainers look like each other, I would say it's not Red. And this is a generic Pokemon Trainer. Not Red. And, for one thing, anybody can edit Wikipedia, but you have to get an account to edit MarioWiki. MamaWaluigi 13:36, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Max calm down. MamaWaluigi you are right. Just cuss hem ya look like Red, doesn't mean he necessary is Red. So I end this arguement by saying: His official name as of now is "Pokemon Trainer". Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!

He is BASED on Red(player charcter)'s look from FireRed/Leaf Green. Is he actully Red, doesn't really matter. Ktnxby. Lego3400 21:11, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Here are the facts. You cannot argue with the facts. Red and blue are baced off of Ash and Gary. They were called that because tecnically you could name them whatever you wanted to and as a refrence to the first games. He is baced off the guy from FR and LG. He is called Pokemon trainer because you could name him whatever you wanted to in the games, so he has no set name.

He should not be called Red(not a fact). Peachycakes 3.14

Red and Blue are based off Ash and Gary? Its the other way around. -- Sir Grodus

Okay, so no one gets on my case again, I would like to say that I agree that the word red should not be in the article, but Pokemon Trainer should be mentioned on the Red disambugation page. I was also saying that it's the Red from Pokemon Yellow because he has all three starters. Stop arguing. All we need is him on the disambugation page now. Stop. Arguing. Even though it is pretty amusing.

Mariofan132

I've said it often enough already and I don't like repeating myself. The name Red comes from a source outside the Marioverse, and is thus, as said not by me, but by the Importance Policy, not acceptable. Just leave the disambiguation page. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:48, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Red is what one of the main characters is called in the manga. In the game it can be anything, so that is probally why it is just called pokemon trainer. Jaffffey

Yes, does it matter wether his name is Red? The official site calls him Pokemon Trainer, isn't that good enough for you guys? My Bloody Valentine I remember that Pokemon Manga, the best Comic series I've ever read :)

NO!!! Nintendo calls the character in the game Red. You can call him whatever you want. The Pokemon Manga character was Red because the character in the game was Red. Any source calls him RED. Now stop arguing. Ash was even based off of Red. All I wanted was a mention on the disambugation page...Though this is pretty amusing to watch everyone argue when I know the true answer...

Mariofan132

Braging about having the "true answer" won't help you, it 's just make you look arrogant. The official website call him "Pokemon trainer", not Red. And as MamaWaluigi pointed out, all Pokemon Trainer look like each other, I think it's obvious Sakurai intended him to be a generic Pokemon Trainer.

Gofer

"Any source calls him RED"?? Definitely not, because the Smash Bros. Dojo!! calls him Pokémon Trainer, and not Red. End of story. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:12, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Sources call him Red, but no Smash Bros. sources, though it may be mentioned in his trophy. Can't we just put Red as a redirect? ^Plumber 11:40, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Red is a disambiguation page already, and I don't think it's okay to mention it there. What would you write? "The name he's called outside the Marioverse"? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:31, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Well, alternate names could be at least mentioned. E.g.: The Pokemon Trainer is sometimes called Red. ^Plumber

Not in Mario games... This is a very difficult question, if you still feel like adding a note to the disambiguation page, you could propose it. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:59, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

YOU GUYS ARE ANNOYING!!! Stop saying the "official site" calls him Red. Is that the official Pokemon website, no. Cobold, read the paragraph I wrote to Max2. I'm saying he's known as Red outside of the "Super Smash Bros." community on the disambugation page.

This unsigned comment was soon again signed by Mariofan132 my bad.

You are apparently not understanding that something outside the Marioverse, and, regarding this, outside the Super Smash Bros. games is not to be kept on this wiki. Thank you. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 17:04, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

I bet you didn't read the paragraph, did you?

Mariofan132

Cobold did. You want us to add information from the Pokemon Series. this Wiki is about the Mario series. Max2 (talk)

No, I already did add a sentence on a disambugation page to not confuse Pokemon/Mario fans. And sorry, I'm kind of getting wacko in the head. All this space on a talk page for one sentence. It's pretty funny if you think about it.

Mariofan132

Mariofan, I don't mean to be rude, but, SHUT UP!!! What do you want? Something that says "Pokemon Trainer is called Red in most Pokemon Games"? THAT IS RIDICULOUS!!!! We are a MARIOWiki. That kind of information belongs on Bulbapedia, and if the official SSBB site calls him Pokemon Trainer, we call him Pokemon Trainer. Red is his Pokemon Series name, Pokemon Trainer is his Super Smash Bros. Series and Mario Series name. LISTEN TO US, NOT YOUR CRAZY OPINIONS!!! My Bloody Valentine Sorry, but you have REALLY gotten on my nerves on this topic.

Listen, I know its Poke-information. That's why I only have a mention on the Red disambugation page. Gosh. Everyone please be quite. Everyone has this thing all wrong. I don't even want the word red on Pokemon Trainer's page. Please, everyone, stop badgering me.

Mariofan132

Fine, fine, whatever, we'll stop. My only REAL problem was your attitude, and arrogance. My Bloody Valentine

Okay, here goes. Sorry for calling you all annoying and stuff. That was mean, but I have a real big thing on in-game info. For some reason, I just write bios on minor Mario characters in my spare time. If I were to do that on the Pokemon Trainer for Generation I, I would refer to him as Red. I'm just a strong believer that his real name is Red. I'm really sorry for being a big jerk. I guess I'm just not used to people arguing with me about video game theories. Sorry. *slaps self* *and again* I'd just like it if people would stop saying I have a big attitude and stuff, because I don't, really. I'm sorry about all this. All I want is a mention on the disambugation page. That is all.

Mariofan132, who actually slapped himself. Twice.

I don't think a mention on the Disambiguation page is really neccesary, as his name isn't really Red. Also, apology accepted :P My Bloody Valentine

It's Nintendo's default name for him...

Mariofan132

But Pokemon Trainer is Super Smash Bros.'s default name for him, and we only cover the info from the Mario Bros. Series, or Super Smash Bros. Series. My Bloody Valentine

Yeah, that's why it's on the disambiguation page.

Mariofan132

But, the disambiguation page is on MarioWiki. If we were a PokemonWiki, we could note that, but we can't here, because the disambiguation page is on a MarioWiki, and we only cover Mario related content. My Bloody Valentine

Yeah, the Pokemon wiki's article is actually Red. Look it up for yourself. Anyway, disambugation pages are for people that typed one thing that could mean another. Red could mean the Red Ninjakoopa, Axem Red, Mario, or the Pokemon Trainer outside of the Super Smash Bros. series.

Mariofan132

Why would people even type Red if they wanted Pokemon Trainer? They would do that on the Pokemon Wiki, because that is his name their, but do they expect us to call him Red on the MarioWiki? My Bloody Valentine

Dude just give up...Xzelion^ETC

Who? Me or him? My Bloody Valentine

...Him..Xzelion^ETC

People coming from the Pokemon Wiki would type in Red here because as far as they know, they would think the Smash Bros. character was named Red.

Mariofan132

As Xzelion said, Dude just give up. OK, let's have a vote. YOU HAPPY NOW!!!!! My Bloody Valentine

Don't put Red on the Disambiguation page

1. My Bloody Valentine Not Mario-Related.
2. Xzelion^ETC
3. Max2 (talk) Can I sign 8 more times?

Add it

1. Helps Pokemon fans that do not know that Pokemon Trainer is his name around here. Mariofan132

Finally something not about his name

Does it say on the website if he stays in one place in the background? Or if he moves? Max2 (talk) I wonder about the scrolling stages...

It says he stands in the background, he still moves around in the case of scrolling stages. My Bloody Valentine

Oh. OK. Max2 (talk) Thx.