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:Jaxi the character was once one of them and sees them as family, so they seem to be a species on some level. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:52, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
:Jaxi the character was once one of them and sees them as family, so they seem to be a species on some level. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:52, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
::I'm sure they used to be a species at some point, but uh not anymore. That one Jaxi's the last of his kind, I suppose. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:54, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
::I'm sure they used to be a species at some point, but uh not anymore. That one Jaxi's the last of his kind, I suppose. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:54, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
:::No, it's explicitly stated he used to be on the blank corner of the pyramid. Basically, he's the only one who decided to get up and moving, not the other way around. They're some sorta golem-type thing and he said he wasn't content sitting around. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:23, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

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Jaxi is not a Lion

Jaxi is not a Lion because:

1. He has spots 2. His name is a combination of Jaguar and Taxi 3. That's not a mane is That's not a mane, it's a kind of collar

--VoyagerDefault (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

I'm gonna agree with this. The area is based on Mexico, and therefore draws its inspiration from the surrounding areas. With that in mind, wouldn't it make sense for this to be a jaguar, an animal that is local to Central and South America, rather than a lion, which is only native to Africa? Besides, jaguars are often featured in Mesoamerican cultures, hence its appearance. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
Looks like it can be interpreted either way to me. The beard also resembles something on Egyptian artifacts. While I think the initial basis was indeed MesoAmerican, it looks to me like they may have thrown in some details from another desert culture (ancient Egyptian) to spice things up and keep them from being too trite. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:08, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure it's based on Xolotl, of Aztec mythology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xolotl
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I'd say given that the now-confirmed JP name calls it a lion, that it's a lion. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:45, 6 November 2017 (EST)

Individuality

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While apparently some text from outside the game refers to this as a species, the game always treats the rideable Jaxi as an individual. Not only do the Jaxi stations ask if you want to "Call the Jaxi," there's the fact that the first time you meet him, atop Jaxi Ruins, you have to pay a fee before you ride him, and this never happens again. It seems unlikely that multiple characters would accept payment given to another person. Thirdly, there's the fact that only one moving one can appear at one time, and is the former South-facing statue atop the Inverted Pyramid. While the "dormant" ones seem to be of the same species, they are never interacted with beyond having the rideable one "visit" one and putting Cappy on the tail of another, so it seems misleading to refer to the rideable ones as a species. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:50, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

It looks like the Japanese text does support this notion since the Jaxi taxi is basically referred to as the Jaxi Bus while the Jaxi Ruins drops that part from the name, suggesting that the rideable character is a unique member of its species. The other languages seem to lose this detail, but even then, I'd say this case is still clear in context. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:24, 20 May 2018 (EDT)
This discussion started a year and a half ago, then wavered off. Starting it back up again, It’s pretty clear that the Jaxi you rode is the same one, just like Yoshi, so by that logic, should we still split them? 184.181.102.188 01:38, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
Oh, Yoshis aren't necessarily the same one, but this one definitely is. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:30, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
Exactly. Since Yoshi and Toad are both characters and species, and the Jaxi Mario rides is the same one each time (thus making it the same character), while it’s clear that others of the same species exist, shouldn’t this be split with minimal discussion based on consistency? 184.181.102.188 03:42, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
I'd say so, especially since in this case the "species" are the always-dormant ones, and as such they are quite different. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 04:32, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
Bringing this discussion back to say I'd support a split. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 18:35, March 30, 2020 (EDT)

Split the statues off

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OK, so for starters, there is explicitly only one rideable Jaxi. He used to be atop the Inverted Pyramid, but you meet him in Jaxi Ruins, pay to ride him, and never have to pay again. If you could ride others, I doubt that they'd accept you paying another to ride them for free. The "species" is a bunch of immobile statues in some gargoyle-like state of dormancy. You can't interact with them beyond getting a Moon by Cappy-twirling a specific one's tail and bringing the specific Jaxi to one.

While later games may include more, giving a reason to revisit this, as it stands, having these utterly different-in-function-within-the-same-game subjects grouped together seems really sloppy. To avoid that, I'd suggest "Jaxi (dormant)" for the statue type.

Proposer: Doc von Schmeltwick (talk)
Deadline: April 21, 2020, 23:59 (GMT)

Support

  1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Per proposal and discussion above.
  2. Niiue (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Duckfan77 (talk)Per all.

Oppose

Comments

Do we even need an article about the statues? Aside from the one that gives you a Power Moon, they don't really do anything but act as decoration. Saying something like "There are several statues depicting Jaxis around Tostarena." seems like enough. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:14, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Jaxi the character was once one of them and sees them as family, so they seem to be a species on some level. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:52, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
I'm sure they used to be a species at some point, but uh not anymore. That one Jaxi's the last of his kind, I suppose. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 19:54, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
No, it's explicitly stated he used to be on the blank corner of the pyramid. Basically, he's the only one who decided to get up and moving, not the other way around. They're some sorta golem-type thing and he said he wasn't content sitting around. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:23, April 7, 2020 (EDT)