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Additionally, Sentry Garage and Ring Beam (the former isn't a "Beamer" enemy) get their english names from their Japanese name and the fact that they we're lumped with Sentry Beam. -- FanOfYoshi 14:37, 2 March 2019 (EST)

In the book they have different descriptions. Them getting their english names from their Japanese names seem to just be a translation. Doomhiker (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2019 (EST)

The New Super Mario Bros. U Prima guide actually lists Bolt Lifts as Nuts. ^(T|C) 18:48, 2 March 2019 (EST)

Laser Pod is the Japanese name, while SMG2 calls it Mobile Sentry Beam. Sentry Garage and Ring Beam aren't fan-names. Sentry Garage's english name comes from Sentry Beam, from the fact it was lumped with Sentry Beam in the first place, and Ring Beam, gets its english name from its Japanese name (which much like the other "Beamer" enemies internal filenames are romanized), and the -er suffix is removed from "Beamer" because it was also lumped with Sentry Beam. Like i say, i don't legitimately own the book, but i actually look on Google Books. -- FanOfYoshi 02:30, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Most of this is on LinktheLefty's list due to most of it coming from this wiki. While Sentry Garage and Ring Beam aren't fan-names there are still unofficial. Also, the beamer enemies have separate entries in the book. Doomhiker (talk) 06:21, 3 March 2019 (EST)

The book also claims that it is Boss Bass which was called Bubba, while, now since a Bubba proposal to reorganize that, the Super Mario Pia confirms that it is indeed the Cheep Chomp. This one is also noted on LinkTheLefty's list. -- FanOfYoshi 06:26, 3 March 2019 (EST)

This list is for errors in the book that do not come from the wiki, so it should stay on LinkTheLefty's list. Doomhiker (talk) 06:30, 3 March 2019 (EST)

The Bull's-Eye Bill in Super Mario Sunshine (actually a Purple Bullet Bill, which is actually a different species, from the 4 types), is called Bullet Bill (purple), reminiscent of its Japanese name rather than Purple Bullet Bill. This also occurs for the other types. -- FanOfYoshi 06:49, 3 March 2019 (EST)

What do you mean by "unofficial"? I must note that this thing's english name is Spotlight Platform, and it also gives the red Urchin "Ground Urchin" as a name, so maybe you can note it? -- FanOfYoshi 10:00, 3 March 2019 (EST)

I do not consider Eye Beamers being called Spotlight Platforms an error due to the fact that their internal file name was just discovered today. As for the red Urchin it is a translation of their official Japanese name, so it is not really an error and just that they wanted to translate their official Japanese name that indicates a separate species. Unofficial means names that are not official such as the plagiarized or made-up names. Doomhiker (talk) 17:03, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Also, i have a question... Did you scan that yourself, or did you find them on Google Books just like what i do? -- FanOfYoshi 11:44, 4 March 2019 (EST)

I found the images an Google Books, although as I own the book I can scan the remaining images. Doomhiker (talk) 11:46, 4 March 2019 (EST)

I hope you don't mind, but I do have a few corrections, going down the list.

• The Super Mario Land enemies are unusual, but not a mistake per se. They were originally used in the English instruction booklet, which had a minimalist localization but is probably more accessible than the Virtual Console release that relocalized a few of them. The odd ones are Brokinton, Chikaka, Gina, Honhen, Nyolin, Pinopi, Reverse Pakkun, Rocketon, and Superball Flower, which all come from the Nintendo Power Game Boy Player's Guide. I doubt they had reference to that over the manual if they invented a new name for Pipe Cannon.
• Bowser The Koopa King comes from Nintendo Power Volume 13 (the Super Mario Bros. 3 strategy guide), page 9, so it's technically correct.
• Lakitu in a Pipe being merged with Lakitu isn't really a mistake since the listings are based on the original Japanese ones (also why, for example, Big Bertha is grouped with Boss Bass, which is something we did more recently).
• I'm not sure if sunken ship really counts. There's only one such location in Super Mario World, so I'm pretty sure the reader would know what it's talking about.
• Mid-Point Bell is a more direct translation of the Japanese name of the bell; the end-of-level version is called a "bonus bell" under Goal.

Also, the perfect score screenshot on page 71 is a really lazy edit of the original picture, replacing the Japanese title screen with active saves with an American title screen with empty saves, but keeping the same closeup. That aside, I did spot more that can be added.

• Page 15 uses first names for the Koopalings except Wendy O. and Ludwig von Koopa.
• Singular and plural are inconsistent throughout the book; for example, page 21 has 1-Up Mushrooms, Bowser's Flames, Coins, and Scales as plural, when everything else is listed in singular.
• Page 25 claims that "*This text is translated from the Japanese instruction booklet." However, the story includes a reference Princess Toadstool in the second paragraph, which changes to Princess Peach in the third.
• Page 28, W9-3 claims that the only enemies are Blue Bowsers, despite there being only one.
• Page 45, it is stated under A Hidden World: "After Mario defeated Tatanga, the Mushroom Castle on the title screen turns into a Mario Castle and he can enter a world with a lot more enemies than before." This is a mistranslation - the word should be "Cursor", not "Castle".
• Page 63, Fuzzy is referred to as Fuzzle. We have a reference stating that Nintendo Power Volume 28 called them by that name, but this is likely a typo.
• Page 64 refers to Parabomb as Para-Bob-omb and Spike Top as Red Spike Top, which appear to be made-up.
• Page 69 gives the name "Spring Board" to an object separate from the Jumping Board.
• Page 78 gives the name "Fire Piranha Plant" to the statues.
• Page 80, Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 is referred to as Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land, its Japanese name.
• Page 119, Bill Blaster Turret is referred to as Rotating Bill Blaster.
• Page 128, Monty is called Monty Mole.
• Page 134, the "sentry beams" are supposed to be referring to Eye Beamers.
• Page 159, Digga-Leg is Digga Leg.
• Page 170, + Clock is listed as Plus-10 Clock.
• Page 226, Fizzlit is Fizzlet.

There are more details that I don't remember right now, like description oddities and some enemies and objects entirely unmentioned in certain sections. Also, as page 11 claims: "The character names and illustrations given for each title in this book are generally representative of how they appeared at the time. Terms that did not receive an official English name are derived from the direct Japanese translation." However...

• Pages 21 and 29, Bill Blaster and Fire Bar should be Turtle Cannon and Fire-Bar.
• Page 38, Small Vase and Vase should be Jars (Vase was an alternate names in Super Mario Advance, but not Super Mario Bros. 2).
• Page 44, 1-Up Heart should be 1UP heart and, as mentioned, Gina Cannon should be Pipe Cannon.
• Page 50, Boomerang Bro, Fire Bro, Giant Koopa Troopa (Green), Giant Koopa Troopa (Red), and Hammer Bro should be Boomerang Brother, Fire Brother, Green Gargantua Koopa Troopa, Red Giant Koopa Troopa, and Hammer Brother.
• Page 51, Sledge Bro instead of Sledge Brother and, as mentioned, White Piranha instead of Fiery Walking Piranha.
• Page 55, Bill Blaster, Frozen Block and Goal Card should be Turtle Cannon, Ice Block and Card. Switch is also referred to as P-Switch in the Brick Block description.
• Page 64, Ninji should be Mini-Ninja.
• Page 69, Magic Ball should be Crystal.
• Page 75 Fire Piranha Plant should be Venus Fire Trap.
• Page 78, Chain Ball should be Cog.
• Page 85, the name Big Goomba didn't exist yet.
• Page 86, Scuttlebug and Swooper should be Scuttle Bug and Swoop, and Micro Piranha Plant should be "tiny Piranha Flower" if going by the Player's Guide (it soon became Small Piranha anyway).
• Page 91, flame thrower is fire.
• Page 92, Yellow Block should be ! Box.
• Page 114, Big Deep Cheep, Big Dry Bones, Big Piranha Plant, Big Thwomp, Cheep Cheep, Cheep Chomp, and Deep Cheep should be Mega Deep-Cheep, Super Dry Bones, Super Thwomp, and Cheep-Cheep, Cheep-Chomp, and Deep-Cheep. Big Unagi is also a new name, and should be Mega Unagi.
• Page 115, Mega Cheep Cheep should be Mega Cheep-Cheep.
• Page 118, Goal Pole should be Flagpole.
• Page 119, the name Spinner didn't exist yet.
• Page 126, Big Pokey was just called "Pokey" in official materials.
• Page 127, the name Giant Goomba didn't exist yet.
• Page 128, Li'l Brr, Li'l Cinder, Micro Goomba, and Octoomba should be Ice Bubble, Lava Bubble, Mini Goomba, and Electrogoomba.
• Page 144, Big Piranha Plant should be Super Piranha Plant.
• Page 145, Cheep Chomp, Fire Piranha Plant and Kamek should be Cheep-Chomp, Venus Fire Trap and Magikoopa.
• Page 146, Mechakoopa and Micro Goomba should be Windup Koopa and Mini Goomba.
• Page 149, Checkpoint Flag should be Midway Point.
• Page 150, Goal Pole should be Goal.
• Page 151, the name Spinner didn't exist yet.
• Page 159, Big Boo should be Mega Boo.
• Pages 160, the names Giant Koopa Troopa, Giant Paragoomba, Giant Piranha Plant, Giant Thwomp, and Giant Wiggler are new.
• Page 175, Cape Mario should be Caped Mario.
• Page 181 Small Cosmic Clone. should be Cosmic Clone.
• Page 196, Micro Goomba should be Mini Goomba.
• Page 210, Kamek should be Magikoopa.

...And more. Naming anachronisms and inconsistencies are big enough to be a third list. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:45, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Added the first part, will add the rest later. On page 80, Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 is correctly spelt using its English name. Doomhiker (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Additionally, the Wiggler entry on the Super Mario 64 section considers it as a species, while it is actually an individual. It also states that they walk around, and when Mario jumps on them, they turn angry, while it's actually the house that got flooded that made the Wiggler very mad. -- FanOfYoshi 07:05, April 9, 2019 (EDT)

Regarding the "unofficial" names, they are official, as they are from an officially licensed material. Red Spike Top isn't an unofficial name, it's just a name from an alternate variant. -- FanOfYoshi 08:11, May 12, 2019 (EDT)

See Red Spike Top. -- FanOfYoshi 06:13, May 25, 2019 (EDT)

Thwomps

There are diagonally moving Thwomps in SMB3, in World 8-Fortress. Mario JC 22:14, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Really? I never knew that! OhoJeeOnFire (talk)

Downfall

Well, there is a disadvantage to the Level 3-4 one-up glitch. The player needs to stand precisely in between the two blocks. If not, the spiny eggs will hit the player instead. Oh, and some more tricks:

Super Mario Bros. 3: In World 1-3, there is another 1-up trick. In the second area with the Goombas spawning out of the pipe, the player needs to continuously bounce on the goombas to get extra lives.

Super Mario 64: The player can get infinite lives in the beginning of the game. The player needs to collect the 1-up in the third tree by the waterfall. Then they need to go in the castle and come out. The player then needs to go back to the tree. The 1-up will magically appear again and the player can repeat this for infinite lives.

Super Mario 3D World: In Koopa Troopa Cave, there is a block leading to a secret area. The player needs to break the block and bring a shell down there. The player then needs to place it near the long block, then bouncing continuously on the shell.

Super Mario Odyssey: In the Wooded Kingdom, the player needs to capture the coin coffer, earning coins in the process. The player then needs to warp to the checkpoint nearby. The player can repeat this as long as they want.

OhoJeeOnFire (talk)