Talk:Super Bell Hill (theme)

(First topic) [RESOLVED]

Six arrangements are missing from here:

• Sprixie Kingdom (https://youtu.be/ewt18Ahi4fo&t=3) (SM3DW)
• Up to the Sky (https://youtu.be/bYUD6xF5HU8&t=10) (SM3DW)
• World 9 (SM3DW)
• Trailer Theme* (https://youtu.be/3MjIZyOE0WY&t=19) (SMM2)
• Intro cutscene* (https://youtu.be/KVCemMZbyOM&t=5) (Bowser's Fury)
• Staff Roll* (https://youtu.be/7yygNQgQJyk&t=91) (Bowser's Fury)

(Names marked with * are conjectural) The Dab Master 14:36, July 11, 2025 (EDT)

Proposal: Do not count "Super Bell Hill"'s extended intro as being "Super Mario 3D World Theme"

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"Super Bell Hill" plays in Super Bell Hill 6-0
I'm not good at laying out proposals so I'll just paraphrase what I wrote in the Discord here.

I'm a little bothered by the lead to this article, which claims that "Super Bell Hill" doesn't play in Super Bell Hill. The distinguishing factor seems to be the extended introduction, which is not present in the OST version of "Super Bell Hill" but is present in "Super Mario 3D World Theme".

However, "Super Mario 3D World Theme" has a unique ending section that isn't present in "Super Bell Hill" (starting at 0:58 in the track; it adds a piccolo lead and raises in key). The liner notes also specifically say that "Super Mario 3D World Theme" is a track exclusive to promo videos, and that "Super Bell Hill" is the music that plays in World 1-1.

If they intended for "Super Mario 3D World Theme" to be "the theme that plays in Super Bell Hill", wouldn't they just have named it that, and named the intro-less track "Mount Beanpole" or something? I know Mario music titles get confusing, but 3D World's are very straightforward, and aren't ever named after stages they don't play in. The only element unique to Super Bell Hill specifically is the extended intro; it would be more accurate to just say that it's "Super Bell Hill (with extended intro)".

That's my idea: "Super Mario 3D World Theme" is a soundtrack and promo video-exclusive track not present in-game, and the track that plays in Super Bell Hill is, in fact, "Super Bell Hill". It just has an extended intro in-game, which is shared with but not exclusive to the "Super Mario 3D World Theme".

Proposer: DryKirby64 (talk)
Deadline: February 10, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Support: "Super Bell Hill" plays in Super Bell Hill

1. DryKirby64 (talk) Per proposal.
2. Super Altendo Mountain (theme) The intro is just an extended measure of the main theme. It's common in video games to slightly add or remove segments from songs depending on the situation. Take the Final Destination theme from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, for example; the intro does not play in Classic Mode, and it only plays while looping; same case here, except instead of removing the intro, it adds one. I can also draw a comparison between "Super Mario 3D World Theme" and "Super Mario Galaxy 2 Trailer Theme", with the latter having a different intro and an ending segment, as well as being synthesized in early trailers. I know this is different because the different (well, in this case, just added) intro does actually play in Super Bell Hill, but I still don't think it's enough to classify it as a different song entirely. Not to mention (or can someone factcheck this for me?) that the introless version plays in Super Bell Hill if the player loses a life and restarts from the beginning or a checkpoint (because the intro cutscene, which the intro to the track is ment to sync with, does not play upon restarting from a lost life, only from entering from the World Map), meaning that "Super Bell Hill" DOES play in Super Bell Hill. So even if the intro still counts the track as "Super Mario 3D World Theme" instead of "Super Bell Hill", the latter track still plays in the level, just not at the beginning when someone enters from the World Map. In either case, when the intro is just pasted at the beginning and the actual track does play in the level under certain circumstances, I think it is suffice to say that "Super Bell Hill" does play in Super Bell Hill. Why else would they name a track after a level if it does not play in said level?
3. Arend (talk) I think we're really being pedantic by disregarding "Super Bell Hill" playing in Super Bell Hill just because it has an extended intro in that specific course. I think anyone can tell that "Super Mario 3D World Theme" is pretty much a trailer-made version of "Super Bell Hill", given that outside of the extended intro and the unique finale with the piccolo in "3D World Theme" (which is absent in the Super Bell Hill level), they're exactly the same. The trailer theme for 3D Land had a difference compared to its Ground theme that was noticeable from the first loop (sax is muted, it seems), but this is not the case with 3D World. If we're really gonna say that "Super Bell Hill" doesn't play in Super Bell Hill just because it has an extended intro (not even the piccolo section, JUST the extended intro), then what are we doing?
4. Wilben (talk) Per all. I have no notes.
5. Super Bell Yoshi (talk) I mean, it pretty literally plays in Super Bell Hill.
6. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.

Comments: Super Bell Hill features music

@Altendo When respawning in Super Bell Hill, the track skips the entire intro starts from the first section. The Dab Master 15:25, January 27, 2026 (UTC)

When you say the "first section", do you mean the start of "Super Bell Hill" as shown in the OST, or the start of the main melody? Altendo 15:28, January 27, 2026 (UTC)

The start of the main melody, i.e. the loop point. The Dab Master 15:29, January 27, 2026 (UTC)

So it also ignores the short intro shown in the OST? Not the build-up, but also the release point before the main melody starts playing? Altendo 15:31, January 27, 2026 (UTC)

Yes. The Dab Master 15:43, January 27, 2026 (UTC)

Wow, this kind of changes a lot. I will confirm this myself, but does "Super Bell Hill" also play from the loop point in other courses like Mount Beanpole after losing a life, or is this just for Super Bell Hill? Because this could be an important factor in determining if the track that plays in Super Bell Hill is actually "Super Bell Hill" or just "Super Mario 3D World Theme". Because if it starts from a different point in other stages after losing a life, these tracks could potentially be different. However, if the track starts from the same loop point as Super Bell Hill on stages outside of Super Bell Hill, then I think these tracks could be seen as the same. Altendo 15:51, January 27, 2026 (UTC)

So, after some testing by @PopitTart on the Switch port, it seems that a level's respective intro is skipped only when restarting from its checkpoint. If you restart from the very beginning, so will the music track. The Dab Master 16:34, January 27, 2026 (UTC)

Interesting. That said, I still think that saying that "Super Bell Hill" is more appropriate for the level due to the non-synthesized instruments and the removed ending, on top of the loop points of these tracks on the levels. Altendo 18:32, January 27, 2026 (UTC)