Talk:Blue Falcon

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The kart is also mentioned here. Do we need both articles? Time Questions 16:16, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

We made a difference between Barrel Train and Barrel Train (kart) because the first was a train and the second was a kart. But in this case, both are racing vehicles, so it seems kind of unneeded to make a difference between them. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:19, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

True, but the actual Blue Falcon and the kart are two totally different vehicles. The actual Blue Falcon hovers in the air, and is much bigger and faster than the kart. Not to mention it's also a Final Smash. The kart is simply a standard kart (note the wheels) made to resemble the actual thing. -- Booster

But then we would have the Final Smash from Captain Falcon's actual vehicle (cameo as a model in Super Mario RPG) as well. And as a cameo, it wouldn't have an article but be in List of Cameos. Organisatorical problem, I see. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 16:28, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, the SMRPG model technically is a cameo, so it could very well go on that page. Also, since the Blue Falcon itself is used for Captain Falcon's Final Smash, it might as well stay where it is. -- Booster

Deleting Trivia

Which trivia sections should I delete? Right now, I'm going for the one about the colouration. (T · C) 12:03, 22 June 2015 (EDT)

Removed the entire section. I relocated most of the information, but removed a few. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:52, 22 June 2015 (EDT)

Jet Bubble

Although there are some significant stat differences, the Blue Falcon does actually have a bike equivalent in the Jet Bubble. This is clearer when you consider that the stats other than speed and weight have very similar distributions to the Jet Bubble. Trainer Alex (talk) 12:20, 17 January 2019 (EST)

I agree with this. Also, having two differences (albeit vital) are insignificant when the stats you mentioned among others are very close to one another. If there were more that were different, then they wouldn’t be counterparts.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.198.170.150 (talk).

Change article to be about the Blue Falcon F-Zero machine

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So, looking over old Nintendo Directs for no reason (actually, for The Legend of Zelda x Mario Kart 8 reasons), and found that when introducing this kart, the video (15:00) says "the Blue Falcon from F-Zero". As in, the kart is a crossover element, I think it really is a reinterpretation of the Blue Falcon and not just a kart that happens to be based on the vehicle. This is supported by how the Master Cycle is referred to: "...The Master Cycle based on The Legend of Zelda., which is distinct from how the Blue Falcon is being described. (The Master Cycle sentence follows directly after the Blue Falcon sentence, so this isn't an apples to oranges comparison.)

Given this, I think the article should be reformatted to lead on the Blue Falcon as an F-Zero machine, the primary interpetation of the Blue Falcon, then discuss how it is also a kart. This would make the page work similarly to Wario Car, the other "established vehicle that has also been used as a kart. The article is already kind of doing this, since it has a Smash Bros. section to begin with, but it leads on the Blue Falcon kart incorrectly and it doesn't have all the categories it should have if it is an article about the F-Zero machine. Salmancer (talk) 22:00, November 1, 2025 (EDT)

Okay, but what about the Wii version? PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:56, November 3, 2025 (EST)

Mario Kart Wii is too old for a naive google search to work anymore, meaning I would have to trawl through youtube videos to find scraps. And further, it predates me using YouTube regularly so I don't know where to look to find a trailer announcing the Blue Falcon, if any were even made. With this in mind, I think the best answer is to ignore the problem for now. If it turns out we should treat Blue Falcon (Mario Kart Wii) as a separate entity from the combination "F-Zero machine and the kart that has a close resemblance to the F-Zero machine", we can always do that split later. Salmancer (talk) 23:50, November 7, 2025 (EST)

Why would we make it into an article based on a vehicle that doesn't make any sort of notable appearance in the series? The page is about the vehicle's role in the Mario games, and the primary role of which it appears in is as a kart. BubbleRevolution (talk) 22:55, November 7, 2025 (EST)

Because the author's intention when marketing the kart is "Wow, the Blue Falcon from F-Zero is now a go kart." We make a lot of decisions in favor of authorial intent. (First that comes to mind is the Ice Snifit split.) Also because it matches Mute City and Big Blue. If a hypothetical F-Zero wiki puts the Mario Kart 8 versions of those tracks on the pages for Mute City and Big Blue, because they're versions of the tracks from the F-Zero series and not fully distinct conceptually from the tracks from the F-Zero series, then yes our Blue Falcon article is strongarmed into having to talk about the F-Zero machine the kart is a version of. (Big Blue isn't fully distinct from the Big Blue in F-Zero because "A remastered version of Big Blue from the F-ZERO series." [1], though the equivalent article for Mute City doesn't bother noting its a crossover track. Though that's probably because its F-Zero, F-Zero is peanuts popularitywise compared to the simultaneous of crossovers with both The Legend of Zelda and Animal Crossing, and the article's notes on crossovers are not written in the form of a list. [2]) (We don't put F-Zero Mute City or Big Blue on our Mute City and Big Blue pages because Mario Kart 8 Mute City and Big Blue are different incarnations of Mute City and Big Blue, and we said we're allowed to split incarnations of locations. As of yet, we cannot split incarnations of vehicles.)

As for why we have to lead on the F-Zero machine: the opposite is weirder.

"The Blue Falcon is a kart in the Mario Kart series modeled after the vehicle of the same name used by Captain Falcon in the F-Zero series... (rest of current intro) The Blue Falcon's original F-Zero machine form sometimes appears alongside Captain Falcon"

The above reads worse than

"The Blue Falcon is an F-Zero machine, a futuristic vehicle from the F-Zero series that can drive at high speed. In the Super Mario franchise, it usually appears along with its pilot, Captain Falcon. A kart version of the Blue Falcon appears in the Mario Kart series. (rest of current intro)"

Salmancer (talk) 23:50, November 7, 2025 (EST)

The primary appearance of the vehicle in the series is as a kart. "It usually appears along with its pilot, Captain Falcon" is fundamentally not the case, as Captain Falcon has not appeared in the Mario franchise aside from a single cameo appearance in a German comic. Within the Mario series, it is primarily a kart, which the article should reflect. It is based off of the F-Zero vehicle, this is just fundamentally the truth. It's far weirder to treat the page as primarily focusing on the F-Zero incarnation rather than focusing on the kart. You compared it to the Wario Car, but the thing about that is both that and the Wario Bike appear in the greater Mario franchise in significant roles outside of their kart appearance, while the Blue Falcon does not. BubbleRevolution (talk) 11:25, November 8, 2025 (EST)

No offense but this seems like quibbling over a small detail? Is the argument about like, if the Blue Falcon refers to the vehicle itself vs like a vehicle modeled after it? I don't find these two distinctions important in the grand scheme of things when it concerns Mario Kart. As far as I'm concerned, you can call it a kart based off the Blue Falcon, you can call it the Blue Falcon, but it's counterproductive to insist on one thing or the other. I would reword the opening sentence that states that it's a "kart" to "The Blue Falcon has made several appearances in the Mario series and it later appears as a driveable kart in Mario Kart.". Something to that degree. But otherwise, I see little problem with how the article is currently laid out. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 12:55, November 8, 2025 (EST)