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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!").
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option on proposals with more than two choices.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "May 8, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPPDiscuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{SettledTPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Merge the Wrecking Crew and VS. Wrecking Crew phases into list articles, Axis (ended February 24, 2022)
Do not consider usage of classic recurring themes as references to the game of origin, Swallow (ended March 9, 2022)
Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022)
Enforce WCAG Level AA standards to mainspace and template content, PanchamBro (ended May 29, 2022)
Change how RPG enemy infoboxes classify role, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2022)
Trim away detailed special move information for all non-Mario fighters, Koopa con Carne (ended January 30, 2023)
Classify the Just Dance series as a guest appearance, Spectrogram (ended April 27, 2023)
Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)
Consider filenames as sources and create redirects, Axis (ended August 24, 2023)
Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023)
Remove elemental creatures categories from various Super Mario RPG enemies, Swallow (ended January 11, 2024)
Standardize the formatting of foreign and explanatory words and phrases in "Names in other languages" tables, Annalisa10 (ended February 7, 2024)
Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024)
Remove profiles and certain other content related to the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia from the wiki, Koopa con Carne (ended April 30, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split the various reissues of Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended April 22, 2022)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Expand source priority exception to include regional English differences, LinkTheLefty (ended January 14, 2023)
Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023)
Remove the list of Super Smash Bros. series objects, Axis (ended May 10, 2023)
Merge Start Dash with Rocket Start, Koopa con Carne (ended August 17, 2023)
Use italics for the full title of the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe – Booster Course Pass, Hewer (ended September 15, 2023)
Split Special Shot into separate articles by game, Technetium (ended September 30, 2023)
Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023)
Decide which series certain Yoshi games are related to, GuntherBB (ended December 14, 2023)
Change the Super Mario 64 DS level section to include more specific character requirements, Altendo (ended December 20, 2023)
Replace "List of Game Over screens" and "'Game Over' as death" sections with a "History" section, DrippingYellow (ended December 20, 2023)
Split the Jungle Buddies from Animal Friends, DrippingYellow (ended December 22, 2023)
Make major changes to the MarioWiki:Links page, PnnyCrygr (ended January 10, 2024)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Merge the "Johnson" running gag into one page, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Merge the ghost Bats and Mice from Luigi's Mansion to their respective organic counterparts from the later games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024)
Split Strobomb from Robomb, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024)
Split the NES and SNES releases of Wario's Woods, SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (ended March 27, 2024)
Merge Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, and Mii Gunner to Mii, TheUndescribableGhost (ended March 28, 2024)
Merge Masterpieces to the Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U articles, Camwoodstock (ended March 31, 2024)
Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024)
Rename Beanstalk to Vine, DrippingYellow (ended April 11, 2024)
Remove non-Super Mario content from Super Smash Bros. series challenges articles, BMfan08 (ended May 3, 2024)
Merge Stompybot 3000 with Colonel Pluck, DrippingYellow (ended May 4, 2024)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Create a category for cowhands

Howdy pardners! I was taking a look at the current discussion going on in the Category talk:Pirates page, and Mario made a suggestion to create a category for cowboys (but to address to both genders, I've decided to name it cowhands).

The problem is, I don't know how many cowhands there are in the Mario franchise. The only one I can think of is Bravado, because it was from Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope, a game I have played. So as such, I would kindly request that any viewers who see this proposal to add characters in the comments. If this proposal passes, a category on cowhands will be created and added to all necessary characters.

Proposer: Sparks (talk)
Deadline: January 21, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Sparks (talk) Per proposal. YEE-HAW!
  2. MegaBowser64 (talk) Per proposal.
  3. DrippingYellow (talk) No less limited than Category:Annelids, so I'm fine with this.
  4. Dark-Boy-1up (talk) I really dont see any reason not to. Per DrippingYellow.
  5. RetroNintendo2008 (talk) Never hurts to have more organization. Per proposal.
  6. PnnyCrygr (talk) On second thought, maybe it's for the best; organization allows for greater convenience of finding what character you want to find. In this case, cowhands. If this proposed category weren't there, there would be no convenient spot to find cowhand character articles.
  7. Mario (talk) Artwork of Mario dressed as a cowboy, from Mario Party 2. Stick 'em up. We have pirates and ninjas. Might as well have something for the cow people.
  8. Camwoodstock (talk) Alright, you're now as ready as you'll ever be to experience "The Mario Wiki Category With No Name". Good luck. (per all)
  9. Tails777 (talk) I've been thinking it over for a while and I have supported the idea from the get go, but I do believe making sure other similar categories are organized properly first so that this one can follow suit. Cause there's a difference between being a cowboy/cowgirl and dressing up as one.
  10. Mushroom Head (talk) Per all, because why not

Oppose

#PnnyCrygr (talk) Probably unnecessary, and I too think the number of Super Mario cowhands featured here are scarce.
#Super Mario RPG (talk) Per PnnyCrygr.
#Swallow (talk) I can't think of any western characters either. EDIT: maybe the three Paper Macho outlaws in Paper Mario: The Origami King even if they're basically dressed and named that for a theater performance, and still wouldn't be enough to warrant a category.

Comments

@Opposition I take it none of you have looked through Category:Saturday Supercade characters. Not that I blame you. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:58, January 14, 2024 (EST)

Might need a different name so it wouldn't be confused for "Characters made in Western countries". Because that's what I first thought of instead of anything related to the Wild West, Old West or Western Frontier. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 01:18, January 15, 2024 (EST)

I guess I can change it to "Old West characters". That would be better and less confusing. link:User:Sparks Sparks (talk) link:User:Sparks 08:44, January 15, 2024 (EST)
Cowboys still exist in real life, though, that wasn't solely a frontier/goldrush occupation. That's just where they had (or for many fictional depictions, still have) the most popularity; note that some of the included characters aren't really 'old' West-themed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:35, January 16, 2024 (EST)
Perhaps the name "Category:Cowhands" could work instead? SolemnStormcloud (talk) 11:02, January 16, 2024 (EST)
Maybe cowhands is the right word, but does it fit all of these characters? link:User:Sparks Sparks (talk) link:User:Sparks 11:06, January 16, 2024 (EST)
Name changed to "cowhands" for the time being. If someone has a better name idea you're welcome to speak it. link:User:Sparks Sparks (talk) link:User:Sparks 20:30, January 16, 2024 (EST)

Might as well put this here. Here is a list of all characters that would be affected by this proposal if it passes (please note that I'm not super familiar with Saturday Supercade, so I apologize in advance):

Anyone is welcome to add to this list because there are probably characters I'm missing here. link:User:Sparks Sparks (talk) link:User:Sparks 08:09, January 16, 2024 (EST)

There's also Cowboy Jed and Bean (Mobile Golf). Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:44, January 16, 2024 (EST)
Noted! link:User:Sparks Sparks (talk) link:User:Sparks 20:46, January 16, 2024 (EST)

Note for the above list: Please don't add in any of King Koopa's alter egos that fit the category, because the article is a list and even has alter egos that would fit other categories like Category:Pirates. link:User:Sparks Sparks (talk) link:User:Sparks 21:22, January 16, 2024 (EST)

Removals

Cull categories from or delete the various Mega Legends & Mega Man moveset redirects

Mega Legends featuring Proto Man and Bass in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Pictured: Mega Man, and 6 redirects to him.

Full disclosure, we made this with the approval of the person currently running a proposal about the Third-party characters category. If this is an overstep for whatever reason, we can cancel this and launch it later on.

This concerns the following redirects:

And concerns the following categories:

All of these redirects exist to lead back to one spot--Mega Man's final smash. MegaMan.EXE, Volnutt, and Star Force Mega Man are all entirely identical category wise; Mega Man series, Third-party characters, Smash 4 3DS and Smash 4 Wii U trophies, and Smash Ultimate spirits. And then Mega Man X is in all of those, and also in Robots. Protoman and Bass lack the 3DS trophy category, but have the Robots category. Rush and Beat are also part of the custom special moves categories, and robots, and the rest.

We'd get these redirects being in these categories if any of these guys had appeared in a comic or cartoon relevant to Mario like Mega Man himself did, but as far as we can tell, none of them do; they're exclusive to either Mega Man's final smash, or his Up+B move--and poor Proto Man and Bass only get to be there for Ultimate, while Beat, bless his robot bird heart, he's only here for a custom move in Smash 4! The result is that a few of these aforementioned categories just kind of get clogged with needless Mega Man's final smash or Up+B redirects--in a few cases, some of these are literally right next to one another alphabetically!

Now, we do acknowledge a counterpoint that we have categories for Smash 4 custom special moves, as well as Smash 4 trophies and Smash Ultimate spirits. This is way out of the scope of this proposal, but while we feel as though the trophies categories are largely redundant nowadays since we've been gradually scaling back Smash coverage to things that aren't related to the Mario series, we understand those categories do still currently exist, and they have trophies and spirits; those inclusions do make sense. In addition, in Rush and Beat's case, we understand their presence in Category:Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U special moves entirely--they exist entirely to be the focal point of the move, and the move with Beat is literally named after him. But um... Look, we're going to be real here; outside of them being in those categories, which seem to be outdated as-is as our trophy list articles have culled any non-Mario trophies, we can't think of any other compelling category to put these guys in. Though, since they are reasonable to put them in, we have an option to retain those categories for the time being.

Now, while putting these things in categories is beyond us, we can understand keeping the redirects themselves for the sake of the Wiki search function--there's likely someone out there who's been getting to Mega Man's final smash by simply searching one of Mega Man's variants (or Proto Man and Bass), and Rush and Beat are valid names for Mega Man's Up-B in Smash. But having these all fully categorized feels... a little overkill, right?

And even worse, and our ultimate point here; having all these redirects in these categories where they don't really fit in causes certain categories to decay heavily in usability. Yeah, this is mostly about Category:Third-party characters, but also the Category:Robots category get rather gunked up because of this. Which is pretty silly when Mega Man himself is in both of those categories! So, there's a few options we can understand taking:

  • Remove all categories period, keep the redirects: This would effectively leave the redirects solely to catch searches. We feel this may be extreme in the case of Rush and Beat's cases, but we understand. We didn't bring it up, but the Category:Mega Man series category is related to his Smash appearances, so those would also vanish. We refuse to comment further on the state of that category, this proposal is long enough, but uh... It's a thing, alright.
  • Remove the Third-party characters and Robots categories, keep the trophy/spirit/custom move/Mega Man series categories and keep the redirects: Like the above, but we leave an exception for the explicitly Smash-related categories.
  • Remove all categories and remove the redirects: The full-on nuclear option. DELETE EVERYTHING!!! This feels a little extreme, especially in Rush and Beat's case, but we figure it's worth acknowledging it.
  • Do nothing: We'll just... Keep every category as they are. We don't really like this, considering Mega Man is currently linked to 9 times in the Third-party characters and Robots categories (once for his actual article and 8 redirects), but hey, we are required to have this as an option, so we're not going to decline it just because we dislike it.

Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk)
Deadline: January 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 19, 2024, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Remove all categories, retain the redirects

  1. Camwoodstock (talk) Our secondary choice, but this definitely feels like a rather nuclear option (somehow even moreso than the "delete the redirects" one!).
  2. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal. Secondary choice.
  3. Mario (talk) These just take up space in the category. Them being redirects is also pretty obnoxious (if you're searching these on the wiki, maybe to check if they have any appearance in some obscure German comic the way Mega Man did, they're just all going back to that trivial part of the article) and I wouldn't be opposed to deleting these either.

Remove the Third-party characters and Robots categories, retain the redirects and Smash categories

  1. Camwoodstock (talk) This is our primary choice, if we haven't made it clear. We do see the value in retaining those categories while they still exist in their current states, and removing them would only make sense if we began pruning Smash-related categories--not exactly unlikely, but definitely not right now, and way out of the scope of this proposal. But the Third-party characters and Robots categories should've been pruned long ago if you ask us; There's literally 8 redirects to Mega Man in these categories at the moment. Besides, even if it is true that Beat is a robot, that's not exactly helpful information when his only Mario presence is as a custom special move.
  2. Hewer (talk) Per proposal, seeing as Mega Man already being in the categories makes the bunch of redirects a little redundant.
  3. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Primary choice.

Delete redirects wholesale

Do nothing

Comments

I'd move to pruning the Smash Bros redirects in categories such as Category:Pokémon series. It'll probably happen sooner or later but worth thinking about. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 12:31, January 5, 2024 (EST)

I agree, we need to get rid of all non-Super Mario content in Super Smash Bros. Super Game Gear (talk) 12:34, January 5, 2024 (EST)
Don't get carried away. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:45, January 5, 2024 (EST)
sharpens axe 🪓 I'm still looking at those bloated list pages with red in my eyes. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 12:53, January 5, 2024 (EST)
Not to derail the discussion, but I still think we should merge those list pages on a per-game basis rather than covering the entire series, like I have partially done with the page for the original Super Smash Bros.. That way, it covers their existence and basics without needing to go into detail. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:03, January 5, 2024 (EST)
Yeah, your idea seems okay. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:16, January 5, 2024 (EST)
We saw that, and it's a nightmare. We explicitly want to save that for a future proposal, since it's way out of the scope for this proposal (which, believe us, we just made originally for Third-party characters before a category-themed rabbit hole dropped us inside it and we had to climb out of it), but in the meantime, let's play a game; how many times does Category:Mega Man series redirect you to Mega Man after several distinct article merges? ~Camwoodstock (talk) 14:38, January 5, 2024 (EST)
I counted 28. Twenty-eight. (29 if you count the Charge Shot disambiguation page.) That's as many pages as most Robot Masters have hit points. Also, why do we even have redirects for Elec Man's Thunder Beam and Zero's techniques? Elec Man and Zero are not playable characters but Assist Trophies, which don't even have individual pages anymore. We also don't have redirects for moves used by non-playable Pokémon like Eevee's Take Down (nor do we need them), and I highly doubt anyone would be looking for these moves on this wiki. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 14:57, January 5, 2024 (EST)
We initially counted 29 (not even including Charge Shot!), which we think is terrifying that we somehow came out with different answers (the culprit was Thunder Beam, we forgot Elec Man was an assist trophy, probably because he isn't even in this category. Poor guy.). We think the only reason redirects like the special weapons even exist is just because of legacy--awhile back (and we mean awhile back, like, pre-Smash Ultimate), Smash moves were split into their own articles. They've somehow never been questioned until right now. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 15:27, January 5, 2024 (EST)
That's true for the Special Weapons Mega Man uses, yes, but the redirects for Thunder Beam and Zero's techniques were created pretty recently — September 24, 2023, to be exact. We had long since merged the Assist Trophy summons to the Assist Trophy page. EDIT: I discovered redirects for many other named Assist Trophy moves, also created on September 24, 2023. I don't know why we should have redirects for them but not the non-playable Pokémon's moves — or better yet, why we need them at all. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 15:47, January 5, 2024 (EST)

I noticed you put Category:Super Smash Bros. for Wii U trophies a second time instead of Category:Super Smash Bros. Ultimate spirits. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 12:44, January 5, 2024 (EST)

Oops! Our bad. That's been fixed now. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 14:38, January 5, 2024 (EST)

Changes

Legitimize the usage of tabber to compare between appearance iterations of locations and minigames in general

This proposal aims to legitimize the use of the tabber template based on the two already approved cases: minigames in the Mario Party series and race courses in the Mario Kart series. Both of these pre-approved cases compare the different iterations of a minigame and race courses respectively.

I'm aware that there's been conflict and confusion over the use of the tabber template. For example, recurring WarioWare microgames have not been approved when the case for using them is very similar to the Mario Party minigames. It's difficult to determine what the fine line is, but the documentation shows a rule of thumb that's based on the pre-approved cases. If the proposal passes, this will allow using tabber solely for the purpose of comparing between different iterations of locations and minigames. The exception to this is major recurring locations that do not exist in the same iteration and form throughout their appearances, such as Bowser's Castle and Peach's Castle. Tabber will continue to be used only in infoboxes.

Here are some examples of what will be allowed and what counts as "comparing between appearance iterations," if this proposal passes, and anything very similar to these cases will be allowed:

  • Courses and rooms in a game with a remake (i.e. Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS, or Luigi's Mansion GCN to Luigi's Mansion 3DS)
  • Microgames in the WarioWare series
  • Levels in the Super Mario games and Donkey Kong Country games
  • NPC locations like Brothers Bear areas in DKC3

And just so it's clear, proposal is not about allowing the use of tabber to compare between different formats (e.g. artwork to sprites to models), and those will remain disallowed even if this proposal passes.

Edit: I think the number of images in tabber for the proposed cases above should be no more than five, meaning pages such as World 1-1 from Super Mario Bros. won't get the template.

Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk)
Deadline: January 25, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Super Mario RPG (talk) As proposer.

Oppose

  1. Camwoodstock (talk) While we see some merit in some tabbers, we don't really like... well, um, any of these. For "levels shared between remakes", see the state of this old revision of Bowser in the Fire Sea to see how that can backfire--if that link didn't work, it was set up with a tabber that is for Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS, yet the images provided are both Super Mario 64 DS, meaning it's functionally 2 images for the same thing; even if that were resolved in a way that was not just "removing the tabber", we don't see any substantial reason to include it when a gallery does just as good, if not better at conveying the information anyways. For Microgames, while there are some Microgames that have merged infoboxes like, say, Eject Reject where this could maybe work, it certainly doesn't# work for Microgames that function noticeably differently across their incarnations like Gold Digger that have their infoboxes split. We genuinely don't understand what is meant by "Levels in the Super Mario games and Donkey Kong Country games"--is it like Bowser in the Fire Sea above, or is it something else entirely? Nowhere is this clarified in the proposal, so we don't actually know what we're voting on here... As for NPC locations, this just kinda falls back into the remade course dilemma where the images are just too similar, and a gallery would be better fit. There are places where tabbers fit and make sense and have something over a traditional gallery, but basically all of these are not it. We've said it before, and we'll say it again; just because we have tabbers does not mean we need to use tabbers whenever one can fit.
  2. Mario (talk) I'm opposed to tabber creep on the wiki. Tabber I think overall hinders usability in the wiki and has javascript issues.
  3. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Mon, just remove it from the places you shouldn't have put it. I'm tired of this.
  4. DrippingYellow (talk) Wait, if I'm reading this correctly: this wouldn't even allow tabber in just an infobox, but in any situation where locations are being/could be compared. I mean, when has an "NPC Location" ever appeared in an infobox? Besides, 99 times out of 100, a "(left) Original game, (right) remake" should suffice. Hard oppose.
    My initial complaint has been addressed, but I still don't see the value in comparing levels in the infobox that are identical in terms of layout and only vary visually.
  5. Swallow (talk) Per all, because of javascript we should be strictly limiting usage of tabbers rather than using it in way more areas.
  6. LadySophie17 (talk) Per all. I don't like tabbers
  7. PnnyCrygr (talk) Tabbers are the worst. All they do is hide important pictures behind the maintext.
  8. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Yeah, no. If this was just "use tabbers in infoboxes", then yeah, I would support, but otherwise no, sorry.
  9. Mushroom Head (talk) Per all. This requires JavaScript, and everyone is aware this is a very annoying requirement that some users may not have.

Comments

@Camwoodstock: Levels in the Super Mario/DKC means articles like World 7-2 (Super Mario Bros.) and Barrel Shield Bust-Up. It doesn't have to be used for microgames with separate infoboxes. Super Mario RPG (talk) 22:12, January 17, 2024 (EST)

...Wait, do you mean like. A tabber that'd cover both SMB1 World 1-1's appearances in Super Mario Bros., Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, the 25th anniversary edition, All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., and even potentially its remakes in Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and New Super Mario Bros. 2? We just woke up and it's been a week, so correct us if we're wrong, but that'd be a tabber with at the very least 5 entries and potentially 8 of them. To us, a tabber is already extremely questionable when there's 3 entries--5 is literally a "gallery preview for a larger gallery that got split off" quantity of entries!

Tangentially related: We'd honestly just like to let the record state, in completely unambiguous terms, we personally think that in addition to the Mario Party and Mario Kart tracks it's already permitted on, the only other place we can think of off the cuff where we should put tabbers is the Thwomp article and nowhere else, because they seems to be the only thing Nintendo has 2 concurrent designs for that they regularly fluctuate between, which is like. The primary reason to even use tabbers. Nothing in this proposal has been a concurrent design that Nintendo flips back-and-forth between, if we might add, which also probably contributes to our vote rationale, but it's already so long and we'd feel bad for adding onto it. ;P ~Camwoodstock (talk) 10:39, January 18, 2024 (EST)

Okay, I've added in the hard limit of five for this proposal, and I clarified that this will only apply to infoboxes. Super Mario RPG (talk) 11:47, January 18, 2024 (EST)
Fire Piranha Plant? Hewer A Hamburger in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. (talk · contributions · edit count) 13:32, January 18, 2024 (EST)
How could we forget him so soon,,, our socially awkward son,,, You're right, our apologies! ~Camwoodstock (talk) 13:34, January 18, 2024 (EST)

@SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) To be fair, the author did clarify that this proposal only applies to infoboxes after I raised my concern about that. DrippingYellow (talk) 17:58, January 19, 2024 (EST)

Rewrite cited quotes into a new style

It's been two years since the {{ref quote}} was deleted. This time, I was wondering if there's a possibility to rewrite the cited quotes into a new style to match the Wikipedia citation templates {{Cite video game}}, {{Cite episode}}, and {{AV media}}. Here are some examples: 

<ref>[[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo EAD Tokyo]] (November 1, 2007). ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' ([[Wii]]). [[Nintendo]]. Level/area: [[Bubble Blastoff]]. "'''[[Captain Toad]]''': 'That Undergrunt Gunner is keeping us from exploring the area!'"</ref>

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Nintendo EAD Tokyo (November 1, 2007). Super Mario Galaxy (Wii). Nintendo. Level/area: Bubble Blastoff. "Captain Toad: 'That Undergrunt Gunner is keeping us from exploring the area!'" 

<ref>Shelly, Bruce; Shelly, Reed (September 8, 1990). "[[Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopas]]". ''[[The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3]]''. Episode 1. "'''Royal Parrot''': 'You can't evict me! Braw! I'm the Royal Parrot!'"</ref>

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Shelly, Bruce; Shelly, Reed (September 8, 1990). "Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopas". The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3. Episode 1. "Royal Parrot: 'You can't evict me! Braw! I'm the Royal Parrot!'" 

<ref>Coffin, Pierre; Balda, Kyle Balda (director) (June 14, 2017). ''{{wp|Despicable Me 3}}'' (Motion picture). "'''Bratt''': 'It's on like Donkey Kong!'"</ref>

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Coffin, Pierre; Balda, Kyle Balda (director) (June 14, 2017). Despicable Me 3 (Motion picture). "Bratt: 'It's on like Donkey Kong!'"

Proposer: GuntherBB (talk)
Deadline: January 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. GuntherBB (talk) Per proposal

Oppose

  1. PnnyCrygr (talk) As User:Wayoshi puts it, "We are not Wikipedia." Also, unnecessary.

Comments

Will this proposal allow for the aforementioned citation templates to be created? I'm not completely clear on what this proposal is aiming to accomplish, but I would support citation templates, to help create a consistency around the use of the references tags. Super Mario RPG (talk) 00:39, January 20, 2024 (EST)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.

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