MarioWiki talk:Proposals
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Someone propose the chat be moved. Por favor. I don't think it even needs a vote, so I won't put it there.SaudyTalk!
- I'm a bit undecided if I should leave it up to the community. I will consider it though. Wa
TC@Y 23:34, 29 May 2007 (EDT) EDIT: You're a sysop. You can bring it up. 23:34, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
What is this exactly? Mr. M 
TCCragley ho!
[edit] Splitting
Shouldn't we perhaps move this page to subpages? The edit glitch problem is starting to happen again.<<< Knife 13:57, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
Anyone?<<< Knife 16:30, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
- Agree.
Go ahead and do such splitting. I don't what type of page is this.(Super F22 Pilot 05:00, 22 November 2007 (EST))
[edit] Complete Rehaul
Expect a complete rehaul of this page and archives WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS by me – sub-pages of this & archive page. It's next on my to-do list after a couple of new MarioWiki pages. Wa TC@Y 20:59, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
- No way, that would make things hard to find if you make a sub-page for every proposal or category. 23:29, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
[edit] Question
I made the "It's not just america" section,and I want to know, did I set it out right? And about the deadline, is it just the time the section was made plus "EDT"? I don't understand that part... Davidk92
[edit] Archives
We need to do something about the super big archive page. It's getting harder and harder to load, so I can't even archive was I just removed from this page. -- Son of Suns
- Simply make a second archive. The simplist explanation is almost always the corret answer.
Black Hole Sun
I was thinking, a better way to lower load times would be to thin out the archives. How, you might ask. Simple, each section would have it's own archive. IE: Merges & Splits has it's own archive, right? Well, New Features would get the same treatment, as would all other sections. Yes, this will increase the number of archives, but it will drastically cut down the load times for everyone. In fact, I might just make this a proposal. -- 
Chris 01:52, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
- Actually, now that I think about it, this isn't such a hot idea. It would create more work that needed. --
Chris 02:01, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
Didn't I start a proposal? User:TehBooKid/sig
[edit] Old proposals coming up again
Seriously, a lot of these proposals are on a previous subject. We should do something about it. MarioGalaxy2433g5 17:28, 15 January 2008 (EST)
- It is annoying, but the most we can really do is point out that the proposal's already been done. Odds are the votes will turn out the same, or the person who proposed the idea again might just take it off, but we can't make them as far as I know. Besdies, things change over time, and I remember at least once instance where a proposal that passed was revoked the second time around because people looked at it again and thought of it a different way and realized it really wasn't really an idea that would fly. - Walkazo
- A time limit could always be put in place. Say, a particular topic may not be brought up again until 60 days have past since it's last proposal. -- Chris 22:03, 16 January 2008 (EST)
- I'd support a proposal for that if you made it. Stumpers! 01:17, 17 January 2008 (EST)
- Perhap we could also have a list of proposal idea that passed/failed (and perhap the reasons why said proposals passed/failed) on the proposal page to indicate if it has already have been brought up. That way, perhap we could prevent something like the Improvement Drive from being brought up, accepted and turn out to be a simillar flop. --Blitzwing 06:59, 17 January 2008 (EST)
- Good idea, it'd be like a shorter, easier to load version of the Proposal Archives. But that list is gonna be pretty big, so we should probably have it on a seperate page from Proposals. - Walkazo
- Yeah, of course. I think this page (If it ever get created) should be organised in a table. --Blitzwing 17:12, 17 January 2008 (EST)
- Or we could just say, at the top of the page, to check the archives before making a proposal. MarioGalaxy2433g5 16:35, 18 January 2008 (EST)
- Yeah, of course. I think this page (If it ever get created) should be organised in a table. --Blitzwing 17:12, 17 January 2008 (EST)
- Good idea, it'd be like a shorter, easier to load version of the Proposal Archives. But that list is gonna be pretty big, so we should probably have it on a seperate page from Proposals. - Walkazo
- Perhap we could also have a list of proposal idea that passed/failed (and perhap the reasons why said proposals passed/failed) on the proposal page to indicate if it has already have been brought up. That way, perhap we could prevent something like the Improvement Drive from being brought up, accepted and turn out to be a simillar flop. --Blitzwing 06:59, 17 January 2008 (EST)
- I'd support a proposal for that if you made it. Stumpers! 01:17, 17 January 2008 (EST)
- A time limit could always be put in place. Say, a particular topic may not be brought up again until 60 days have past since it's last proposal. --
The thing is, there are tonnes of archived proposals and most people will not have the patience to look through them all. Plus some of us have old cruddy computers that can't handle the massive amounts of data in those archives or take forever to load the pages. - Walkazo
- It isn't my fault that some of you have images in your sigs which significantly increases the loading. MarioGalaxy2433g5 17:28, 28 January 2008 (EST)
[edit] "Per"
I have a question, and this might make me sound not smart, but remember, I'm new here. What does it mean exactly when you say "per" all the time? I mean, by now, I've figured out that it means "I agree with this person." But why, and how did everyone here learn what it means? Everyone's always like, "Per this user. Per that user." And I'm wondering, "Is that a real thing that people say, or is it Mario Wiki slang? If you think I'm silly because I don't know this, just remember that I'm new here and I don't know many of these terms that people use. Could someone just answer the question? Orangeyoshi 20:33, 21 January 2008 (EST)
- I just moved this so that it would get more traffic. I don't know personally. If it is MarioWiki slang I should put it in the glossary. Stumpers! 21:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)
- It's not MarioWiki slang (see definition 4). Time Questions 01:21, 22 January 2008 (EST)
Ah. Thanks for helping me out. But why does everyone on MarioWiki use it? I didn't know what it means before Time Q showed me a dictionary entry. Before I was a user, did everyone on MarioWiki get together and say, "You know what? Let's say "Per" all the time when we're voting in proposals.", or what? (Just so you know, I wasn't serious.") Orangeyoshi 20:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)
- Well, it's way faster than saying "I agree..." and I'm sure a few users have heard it used in real life (like me) or on other Wikis or polls or whatever, and decided to incorporate it here to save time, then everyone started copying them. But I dunno for sure; I've only been here a few months. - Walkazo
- You're probably right. That's good enough for me. Orangeyoshi 18:55, 23 January 2008 (EST)
[edit] More rules
I believe we need two more rules for the proposals page. First, something that appears to be pretty obvious to me but the guidelines don't mention it yet: Every vote must be signed in order to count. (Currently, there's an unsigned vote by Fly Guy 2 on the proposal about Bob Hoskin's quote - I'm not suggesting the rule so his vote will be removed, I'm suggesting it to prevent this in future.) Second, there should be a deadline after which it won't be allowed anymore to edit the wording of a proposal - say, 3 days before the actual deadline. This is to prevent that users who don't visit the wiki very often have no chance to change their minds when a proposal's subject is modified (or when there are new voting options added - yeah, the Bob Hoskins proposal inspired me to that too :P). What do you think about this? Or should I start a proposal about it? ;) Time Questions 14:50, 9 February 2008 (EST)
- Signing your votes sorta seems like one of those "well duh" things and I just assumed it was already a bonafied rule... But if it's not we should definitely make it one. But maybe we should be a bit less lenient about editing the proposal. Things like fixing grammar are fine, but if anyone wants to actually change the proposal they should just pitch the idea in the Comments section, and if anyone agrees with that change they can just vote Yes but also say something like "as long as User's idea is enacted." That way, the people who voted for the original proposal and never came back are still voting for the same thing (since it's always possible they only agree with the original idea, and not the updated one - it's like twisting someone's words and meaning, it's just not right). Also, if it's a major enough change, another section can always be added; if any of the original votes say something like "yes we can remove the quote, but I'd rather it be censored with f---" (to use a recent example) then whoever is mediating the proposal (or someone else) can move that vote accordingly (but keep the wording the same so you can tell where it originally was from). Long story short, I think saying "no more rewrites, period" or "only in the first 48 hours" is better than "not during the last 3 days". - Walkazo
- Yeah, you're right, the changing crap was stupid. *Hits head* It should be a rule. .
[edit] Problem
Am I the only one who gets an error when trying to view this page? Everytime I try to view it, a problem occurs, closing the page, and stopping me from viewing it. I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, but its prooving fairly difficult for me to argue a Proposal. If the problem isn't just my Computer, then, can someone please try to figure out what is wrong with this page, and fix it. 
Black Hole Sun
- It works for me. Clear your browser's cache (Ctrl+Shift+Del for Mozilla) and then try to load it again. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 07:28, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Making them?
How do I do it?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nintendofan146 (talk).
- It is NOT editing Template:Proposal. Read the steps on this page carefully. Wa TC@Y 23:35, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
- Well, sorry to say this, but you made it the wrong way. I wouldn't really know how to make one either, but all the proposals I've seen list the proposer and deadline, and have a "support", "oppose", and "comments" section. And maybe you should explain your idea more, I don't really get it.
CrystalYoshi
07:35, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Another Error...
Huh? The page keeps giving my Computer an error everytime I try to load it... AGAIN! I checked the file history, and browsed through all edits in the last three days, and it didn't mess up until this edit. Strangely, when I skipped that edit, and moved on to the following edit, it was working fine, til' I attempted to view Time Q's following edit, in which it bugged up again... Uh, that sounded kinda stupid. But it's true. I think it has something to do with PY's sig, but I'm not sure. Can anyone give me an explanation or a solution? :\ Black Hole Sun
- All the pages you linked to worked for me. The problem must be on your end. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:42, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
...Ugh... I guess I'm the only one with the problem. Blitzwing says the problem comes from someone's sig, and I have reason to believe it's PY's, but that doesn't explain how two of her edits were fine for me, but the one between them gave me an error. My Computer must be getting old. -_-' I guess I won't be able to vote for a while. D: Black Hole Sun
I was discussing this error with Stumpers, and he agreed with me that we shouldn't allow "special sigs" on the Proposals page. They cause errors for some people, and according to Stumpers, they prove as a hastle in archives. Since I can't, ya know, propose anything (and a proposal on something like this is stupid), I ask that rather than signing sigs, people merely sign their name. Like this -> Pokemon DP.
- The problem with the sigs in the archieve is that they can cause computers to get sluggish when there are, say, 10+ proposals on a page for, say... 100-300 sigs. I don't have any specific numbers on my side, but if someone want me too I could check out the archieve again. Anyway, this was coming up a while ago that users who have slow computers don't check archieves because they're so hard to see. Stumpers! 01:32, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Is there any kind of shortcut to put only the name instead of the sig? I always put ~~~(~), which is converted into my sig. I don't think it's very attractive to put the whole [[User:xyz|xyz]] code everytime you sign a comment. Time Questions 06:29, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm sure there's a shortcut to signing your name in that style. Not sure, though. Black Hole Sun
- You can use {{user}} for it. I agree we could make this page more formally and easier to load and stop these annoying line breaks because of problems in people's sigs when we use that way. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Well, if we're gonna go along with the idea, can we do it really soon? I'm eager to vote! D: Black Hole Sun
- Do we even need a proposal to do that? Since it's an answer to a technical problem I don't think it's democratic for people to not be able to vote or view past votes because people desire to use a signature... Stumpers! 23:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah... So, what's the final decision? :| Black Hole Sun
- I don't think we need a proposal, everyone here seems to agree that it's best to not use signatures, so let's lay down the rule. Time Questions 05:17, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
OK, perfect. I'd do it, but... Ya know, I can't visit the page right now cuz of said problem. X| Black Hole Sun
- I added a note to the rules, feel free to edit it. So, uh, what to do with the current signatures? Should we convert them all to the {{user}} thing? Time Questions 07:56, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
...Uhhhhh... Lol. This is funny. Dude, I Can't visit the page BECAUSE the sigs are there. Unless someone else removes them, I am still unable to visit the page. xP Black Hole Sun
- LOL. I didn't talk specifically to you when I said "feel free to edit it", but of course you're right, someone should remove the sigs so you can visit the page again, haha. I'll start right now. Time Questions 08:04, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Yay! Thanks! :D If the page still messes up after the sigs are removed, I'm killing myself. o_o Black Hole Sun
OMGWTF?! IT STILL DOESN'T WORK! ...Just kidding! :P It works perfectly now! :D - Pokemon DP
But now no one knows what time someone made a comment. Uh, is that a problem? 
CrystalYoshi
13:41, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
- It will always be in the page's history if a dispute comes up, and I don't believe it ever has yet, especially with the precident that a proposal cannot be majorly changed after submission. Stumpers! 18:29, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
- Lots of people (myself included) don't include the time anyway... - Walkazo
- I'd like to note that by adding 5 "~"s (that's ~~~~~), it adds solely the time stamp to your statement. That might come in handy for those of you who commonly place times stamps in your signature. — Stooben Rooben Although, I may have added this comment a little late. :P 19:52, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
- Lots of people (myself included) don't include the time anyway... - Walkazo
- It will always be in the page's history if a dispute comes up, and I don't believe it ever has yet, especially with the precident that a proposal cannot be majorly changed after submission. Stumpers! 18:29, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Repeal?
Are we allowed to make a proposal to repeal a proposal? .
- Hmm, that might be a good idea. Courts allow repeals against certain verdicts; I don't see why that shouldn't apply here. — Stooben Rooben 19:54, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
- It happened before, so yes, it's possible. --Blitzwing 20:09, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
- You'd have to wait four (?) months after the proposal, though, because of that new rule about no proposal replicating another proposal... hypothetically anyway. I suppose it depends on which proposal we're talking about. Stumpers! 20:32, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
- Erm, there's no rule about that. I only added the "No Banjo & Conker" notice because:
- It happened before, so yes, it's possible. --Blitzwing 20:09, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
1: The proposal gets brought up every two weeks, (Infact, before I added the notice, Plumber talked about creating a Banjo & Conker proposal right after a proposal for it got removed.)
2: The result is alway the same: No article for these two.
3: IT'S BLOODY ANNOYING.
Otherwise, there's no rule about replicating a proposal :). Blitzwing (talk · gnome work)
- Thank you. :D .
- I just hope we won't get stuck going around in a circle over this FA voting-reworking thing... - Walkazo
[edit] Removed Votes
I don't understand why votes are removed. Even if they are fan/biased votes, a vote is a vote. Like I've said before, a fan vote has just as much value as a per vote. So why are we picking through vote reasons and removing them based on "not a strong enough reason"? I understand people can re-vote after a vote has been removed, but what if you aren't active between the period your vote was removed and the proposal ended?<<< Knife 16:54, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- IIRC, your "reason" was something like "As long as it doesn't get overused" - that's not a reason but a condition on which you support the proposal. This doesn't work; either you support the proposal in it's full form or you don't. I can see your point that it might be a problem if votes are removed and the users are not notified - but it's one of the rules that any vote must have a strong reason, so I don't think it's unfair to remove votes which break a rule. Time Questions 17:09, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- Also, the 'a vote is a vote' argument doesn't really hold water. All voting systems have rules in play to prevent abuse and to assure that most of the people voting know what they are voting on. -- Chris 18:44, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
Hmm... yeah, I understand.<<< Knife 15:18, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Article Moves
I was wondering if a proposal could be made to move an article (for example, Cyan Yoshi to "Light Blue Yoshi")? If so, which section of the page would it go under? Stumpers (Talk)
- I don't think an actual proposal is needed for this. Why not make a "pseudo-proposal" on the Cyan Yoshi talk page? If there's no agreement, it can still be made an "official" proposal. (I would put it in the "Changes" section.) Time Questions 18:30, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
- I opened the topic on the talk page, so far there are just two of us talking about it, and he/she is also supporting it. Stumpers! 18:55, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Template Inside Scrollbox?
When archiving Walkazo's Fire and Ice template proposal, I noticed that it doesn't seem to be possible to put a template (Soler put a template as an example on the proposals page) inside the scrollbox. So when I archived it, I put <!-- before and --> after the template syntax. Is there a way to show the template inside the scrollbox? Time Questions 09:09, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
- I don't think so. Templates shouldn't really be put on the page either, just linked to. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:29, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
[edit] new proposal
how do make one? can I have a step by step dont wanna get it wrong...
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lu-igi board (talk).
- It's easiest to simply copy another proposal, and replace it with your text. So, go to the Proposals page, click "edit", and choose a proposal to copy. Select the appropriate section (depends on what your proposal is about: Splits & Merges, Changes, Removals, etc.) and paste it there (if there already is a proposal in the section, paste it below). Now, change the header and the actual proposal text, and be sure to replace the Proposer and Deadline lines. How to add the correct deadline is explained at the top of the Proposals page. Remove the Support, Oppose and Comments sections, leaving just the headers, and then it's done, I think. Time Questions 06:03, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Signature Tech Issue?
Can someone tell me what exactly is wrong with putting sig templates on this page? They worked completely fine at the beginning. Wa TC@Y 14:02, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
- Some sigs mess up the numbering of lists. Which is why I'm trying to make people use the user template on FA nomination articles as well.
Garlic Man 
- That isn't the only reason. As seen before this "policy" was put up, a lot of sigs were used. Due to this, it gave some users' computers problems, such as Pokemon DP's computer. --Palkia47 14:25, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Per votes
This is something that's been bugging me for a while now. Many votes are simply "Per X" and nothing more. While I don't know how all this "per" nonsense got started, it needs to stop, at least with those users whose vote consists of "Per X". It doesn't add anything and only serves to provide one more vote to overcome when actual reasons could be given instead.
By the by, "per" is nothing new. I remember using it in an edit summary as early as 2006. However, I've only rarely used it since then and only when its use is necessary. I know it's a lot to say about a simple three-letter word, but I'm seeing it everywhere on the Proposals page and it's irritating me. Stop saying it if you don't have anything to add. 
Phoenix 15:00, 13 November 2008 (EST)
- There was a proposal to get rid of Per Votes. It failed miserably.
The reason? "Per" mean you agree with someone and you have nothing to add. I'd rather see a bunch of three-letter support than redundant votes that takes up space merely to say the Exact same thing. --Blitzwing 17:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)
- I'm not trying to be funny when I say this, but...per Blitz. — Stooben Rooben DX 19:19, 13 November 2008 (EST)
- I agree with Blitz. uper-Yoshi
hahahahahah i didnt use per blitz at all.
- Me three! There just three letters. (Is this turning into a proposal?)
Grapes
- Me three! There just three letters. (Is this turning into a proposal?)
- I agree with Blitz. uper-Yoshi
- I do see your point, Phoenix; there's a lot of one-off voters who just put "Per X" in order to make their votes count. It may seem unfair that their quick votes count just as much as those by users who are actually concerned about an issue, comment on it etc. But what do you want to do about it? Ban the phrase? Soon another one would be found. It won't help. Plus, it's indeed a very useful phrase if you agree with someone completely. Time Questions 11:07, 14 November 2008 (EST)
I also agree with Blitzwing's assertion that "Per X" is better than the redundant rehashing of the same ideas; he put it better than I could have, and that's often the case with proposals. It's not necessarily the "Per"-er's fault they don't have anything to add: if they got there first, they would have been the one writing the speech and being "Per"ed, but they weren't. Unfortunately, there's no fair way to separate them from the "one-off" voters, and it looks like the stigma and the phrase will remain for quite a while. - Walkazo 20:48, 14 November 2008 (EST)
[edit] Proposal deletes
Why was the super mario wiki in various languages proposal deleted? 
☃ The 'Shroom
- Only Steve (the founder) can make that sort of monumental decision for the Wiki; it's not up to us. - Walkazo 19:22, 15 November 2008 (EST)
I have a proposal. We should add 10 users to the administrator rank, therefore the wiki gets more protection against vandalism.MT Televisa Plk 16:12, 25 January 2009 (EST)
- We have 12 sysops, 5 bureaucrats and 2 patrollers, but no "administrators" (Because the rank doesn't exist, durrrrrr), we have a lot more than what we need. --Blitzwing 18:01, 25 January 2009 (EST)
- One patroller, Blitzwing I gave up the rank. Grapes
- Blitzwing: administrators is a Wikia rank. It's basically a sysop. Stumpers! 19:52, 25 January 2009 (EST)
- I think "Administrator" can also be used as a blanket term for Stewards, 'Crats, Sysops and Patrollers (anything that's not a User). - Walkazo 20:16, 25 January 2009 (EST)
- Indeed. And besides, the small amount of vandalism we do get is always controlled by the, er, "Administrators." Besides, the Bureaucrats decide Adminship anyway, so a proposal wouldn't do anthing. .
- I think "Administrator" can also be used as a blanket term for Stewards, 'Crats, Sysops and Patrollers (anything that's not a User). - Walkazo 20:16, 25 January 2009 (EST)
- Blitzwing: administrators is a Wikia rank. It's basically a sysop. Stumpers! 19:52, 25 January 2009 (EST)
- One patroller, Blitzwing I gave up the rank.
[edit] Ending Coding
How does the code & n b s p ; (without the spaces between the characters) work? It was on the bottom of the page for the longest time, and got accidentally removed a couple months ago without being missed. Today I noticed that the new proposal's "Comments" header wasn't working: it showed up as a proper header in the preview, but once I saved, it appeared as ====Comments==== on the main page (though it acted like a normal header in that it didn't appear as part of the "Oppose" sub-header when it was edited). Once I put the code back on the bottom of page, it worked fine. What gives? Is it just to give the bottom section some sort of content so the header works? Also, why doesn't <nowiki> work on it? - Walkazo 21:18, 1 February 2009 (EST)
- Aw, crap, I put my comment in that section... Should I put it above the little slippery code or below it? And I'm also curious about Walkazo's question... .
- Put it above the code, with a line skip or two in between (so it doesn't get archived by mistake again). Actually, that brought me to another point (which I was gonna save until after my questions were answered, but now's as good a time as any): there should be an actual rule advising people to comment above the code and to make sure it doesn't get removed by mistake. - Walkazo 21:31, 1 February 2009 (EST)
- creates a non breaking space, which is basically just a regular space, but it won't automatically become a line break if a word runs over the end of a line. Instead, the last "normal" space on the line is used. It's actually not a wiki thing, as evidenced by the fact that <nowiki> doesn't work. I think it was invented to make French quotation marks work right, but don't quote me on that. - 2257(Talk)
23:40, 1 February 2009 (EST)
- creates a non breaking space, which is basically just a regular space, but it won't automatically become a line break if a word runs over the end of a line. Instead, the last "normal" space on the line is used. It's actually not a wiki thing, as evidenced by the fact that <nowiki> doesn't work. I think it was invented to make French quotation marks work right, but don't quote me on that. - 2257(Talk)
- Put it above the code, with a line skip or two in between (so it doesn't get archived by mistake again). Actually, that brought me to another point (which I was gonna save until after my questions were answered, but now's as good a time as any): there should be an actual rule advising people to comment above the code and to make sure it doesn't get removed by mistake. - Walkazo 21:31, 1 February 2009 (EST)
[edit] Y WOZ MY PROPASAL DELETED???!!!
? Lu-igi board 10:17, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
If you're talking about the proposal made for using North American region names, it is because there was a proposal to use PAL names that passed not a long time ago. Yoshario
Oh, I'm sorry that was Yoshikart's proposal. What proposal are you talking about? Yoshario
- I believe Lu-igi board is talking about a deleting repeated polls proposal. The proposal was removed because that is already one of the rules, so any user can remove repeated polls as needed. -- Son of Suns (Talk)
really? oh wow! thanks 4 letting me no :) Lu-igi board 15:51, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
[edit] Remove Tucayo's Vote from "Change 60-Day Rule to One Month" Proposal
"The last proposal wasnt more than 60 days ago, so it cant be reversed"
This is the reason for Tucayo's vote. But it has been proven wrong. Here is a quote from the comments section directed towards another user who had the same thoughts as Tucayo.
"Super Mario Bros. is actually correct. This proposal would not overturn the previous proposal, and thus it should be allowed. The previous (unstated) rule was actually any proposal could immediately be overturned at any time. The current rule is to wait sixty days to overturn or reverse a decision. This proposal would clearly not reverse the decision of the original proposal back to zero waiting time, so it is within the rules."
This is the quote. It was made by Son of Suns. It is quite clear that Tucayo's vote was cast in bad faith, so shouldn't it be deleted His vote does not have a good reason with it, he says the proposal is against the rules when it isn't, and is that a good reason to oppose it? Tucayo never stated any other reasons why he opposes the proposal, so that is why he should add a better reason to his vote or remove it.
If you think it should, go to my proposal and vote to remove it. Thank you. Super Mario Bros. (Talk)?
Cast in bad faith? I think it's more likely that he just misunderstood the 60 day proposal. - 2257(Talk)
16:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Now do you get what I mean (Look Above)? Ok, I guess you're right Super Mario Bros. (Talk)
Yes, sorry, I misunderstood it, i'll erase my vote Tucayo (Talk)
Nevermind, it is ok, you can keep your vote, as you have a good voting record any way. I also think that it was wrong of me to go pestering you and being a tyrant. That alone forced my conscience to let your vote count. Super Mario Bros. (Talk)
[edit] "Clear Majority" Rule
Since the Clear Majority Rule (number 11 on the list) is a little elaborate, here's a bit more exposition to make it absolutely clear what the new policy entails.
If a proposal has more than ten (10) votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three (3) votes (ex. 14-11). If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two (2) or less votes (ex. 14-12) or if there is a tie, the deadline will be extended for another week. If a clear majority is still not reached by that point, the deadline will be extended again; however, the proposer is encouraged to remove the current proposal and rethink it (i.e. decide on any possible compromises), so as to better accommodate the needs of the community. As the proposal did not pass or fail, the revised version can be re-pitched at any time (with no mandatory 28-day waiting period).
The point of this rule is so that large, controversial changes cannot be made without the clear support of the community; this ensures that more users will be content with the latest policies, and lessens the possibility of proposals being brought up multiple times (and alternating passing or failing), thus necessitating lots of work but yielding little progress. - Walkazo 17:40, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
[edit] What happened to the page?
for some reason, the proposals page went back to an earlier version, changeing various edits by me and other people. - 
- Not just this page. It seems that all edits made on April 27 have disappeared (that goes at least for my account). --Grandy02 14:15, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
[edit] New Rule
The new rule is: "If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental (harmful) to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time." It may sound tyrannical at first, but it is only meant as a last resort to stop proposals the Sysops feel would not be beneficial to the Wiki should they pass. If a problematic proposal appears, we'll take it to the Sysop boards on the MarioWiki Forum and discuss it amongst ourselves. In order to give the community a chance to speak for itself, we will not veto a proposal until there is no hope of it failing through the normal voting procedure. This, of course, only applies to valid proposals: anything in violation of the Wiki's rules and regulations can be deleted by any Sysop at any time. Vetoing proposals requires the approval of the majority of the Sysops; however, the way the Sysops are voting here on the Proposals page should not be read as an indication of what we may be deciding behind the scenes on the Forums. In no way do the Sysops' votes hold more sway than those of regular users. Again, this rule is a last resort only, and we sincerely hope we will never have to use it. - Walkazo 19:03, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
[edit] So we can just do it?
Wait, so if we have a proposal, can we just shoot it out onto the page as active to support/oppose? Or do we have to get some sort of approval first? 
Dry ParatroopaNow the official messenger of Lord Dry Bowser.
- No approval, just make it
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