Talk:Space Troopa

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What is this page for, exactly? So far it covers:

• An implied species that never explicitly shows up on-screen
• Astronaut Koopas that may be Space Troopas
• Astronaut Koopas from Mario's Time Machine that almost certainly aren't Space Troopas

Am I missing something here? Niiue (talk) 07:13, 6 August 2017 (EDT)

They're all Troopas. They're all Spacemen. Spacemen Troopas. Space Troopas. Technically the ones in MTM would be Space Troopas, as they are space-themed Troopas. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2017 (CT)

I don't like the idea of giving an article to Koopa Troopas solely because they happen to be wearing a different costume, let alone the idea of grouping Koopas together because they happen to look similar. In Mario's Time Machine, at the very least, there is nothing that distinguishes the "space" Koopas from the regular Koopa Troopas besides the outfit change, and that could easily be covered on Koopa Troopa. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 20:03, 6 August 2017 (EDT)

I don't see why the Mario's Time Machine ones can't have their own page, at least. Niiue (talk) 01:38, 8 August 2017 (EDT)

There's a precedent for merging elements that are literally nothing but palette swaps. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:03, 8 August 2017 (EDT)

Technically these are tile swaps, the palette is the same. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:04, 8 August 2017 (CT)

Fair enough, but you know what I meant. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:07, 8 August 2017 (EDT)

Remove non-The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! information from this article

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.

Move non-TSMBSS information to the Notes section 3-8-0
So similar to what happened to the Big Bullet Bill page, this page was originally about the species that appears in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! when the page was first created back in 2007. However, a user added information on the space-helmet wearing Koopa Troopas in Mario's Time Machine in 2017, and later another user added information for the purple Koopa Troopa wearing a space helmet that appears in Super Mario Odyssey in 2021. This is despite both of these Koopa Troopas not only not being named Space Troopas in their sources, but also not really looking like the Space Troopas in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!. If this proposal passes, non-The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! information will be removed from the article, as the subject that appears in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! was the article's original intent and main focus. A second option keeps the non-The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! information but relegates it to the Notes section, where the concept of a Space Troopa appearing in later Super Mario media can be mentioned without mixing it with the actual species.

Proposer: Maw-Ray Master (talk)
Deadline: March 30, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Support: Remove non-The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! information from the article

1. Gringill Master (talk) Second choice; per proposal.
2. Ninfan64 (talk) See my reply in comments for full thoughts, but generally I think the ambiguity of whether or not Space Troopas are even helmet-wearing Koopas in the first place is grounds for these alternate subjects being removed from the article. I can see why some would want the Mario's Time Machine Koopas to be mentioned in the article, but personally I find the mention of Odyssey's trace walking Koopa to be egregious. This Koopa simply wears the hat sold in the shop of his region, like all other trace walking Koopas do, it just happens to be an astronaut helmet him.
3. Sorbetti (talk) Per Ninfan64.

Partial Support: Move non-The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! information to the Notes section

1. Gringill Master (talk) First choice; per proposal.
2. Salmancer (talk) This will help discourage misguided users from adding the same sections again, so I prefer this approach.
3. Wandering Stargazer (talk) This is what the article should have been like from the beginning. It's time we threw these fake Space Troopas for a galactic Loopa!
4. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - I added the MTM one, and worded it then in a "this is a similar thing"-type of manner. There weren't any actual sections then.
5. Hewer (talk) Classic case of everything but the kitchen sink.
6. Camwoodstock (talk) Another day, another page pulling way beyond its carry weight because of the Genericification Beam. Per proposal.
7. Space Rykitu (talk) Per the kitchen sink.
8. Yoshi18 (talk) Per all.

Comments

I watched the full episode this subject is from, and as it turns out, there is actually nothing that implies that the helmet-wearing Koopa Troopas are Space Troopas. While flying his spaceship at the beginning, Mario mentions he is getting chased by Space Troopas, but they remain offscreen during this and are never mentioned again. In fact, this was mentioned in the article until being randomly removed in this edit.

I think it's likely that the Space Troopas are actually meant to be some sort of space patrol, while the Koopa Troopas seen later are just generic. This is backed up by the fact that every character in this episode is also wearing a generic oxygen helmet. Now, Mouser in this episode is referred to as "Astro Mouser," which gives some credit to the idea of Koopa Troopas being called Space Troopas here, but the thing is, if this is the case, then I don't think this subject actually deserves a page. In this case, Space Troopas are essentially the same exact subject as Koopa Troopas and are only renamed for the purposes of the space theming of the episode. Likewise, there is no separate page for Astro Mouser nor "Moon Man Koopa," King Koopa's title in this episode.

At best, I think this page should return to its original state before the previously mentioned edit, where it largely focuses on Mario's mention of the group at the beginning of the episode. At worst, the page should either be completely disconnected from the idea of helmet-wearing Koopa Troopas, or just straight-up deleted.

--Ninfan64 12:57, March 29, 2026 (UTC)

Actually, That's a pretty fair point. Perhaps later on, we should consider looking into our somewhat inconsistent treatment of "King Koopa alter-egos" "Koopa Pack alter-egos," and related subjects. Wandering Poplin (talk) 16:57, March 30, 2026 (UTC)

"Troopa" in the show is generally used specifically for the turtle enemies. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:45, March 31, 2026 (UTC)