Talk:Sheik

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It say "Sheik is indeed female", but should there be some reference that Sheik's official sex in SSB series is female, while in tLoZ series it is unknown?Alphaclaw11

Perhaps. Maybe one brief line would do the trick. My Bloody Valentine

trivia[edit]

In the trivia section, we can't list every single thing that sounds like the subject of the article. (ex. TaBoo and Tabuu). That trivia doesn't have to do with Sheik. I think it's unrelated. Marcelagus (TCE)

Sheik in Ultimate[edit]

In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Sheik has a new Palutena's guidance in which Sheik is referred to as male by Palutena and Viridi. How should we treat this development? It could be going off the joke in the old Palutena's guidance where they don't know who Sheik really is (note they also didn't use pronouns in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U) - or it could mean that this Sheik isn't that Sheik (given Pit's remarks about the Zelda timeline) - or it could even mean that this is the direction for the character going forward. I don't think we should go as far as to remove existing references since the series has consistently referred to Sheik as female up until this point, but we should figure out if and how this affects the character in its current incarnation. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:24, 7 December 2018 (EST)

The Wii U guidance came off to me as a joke to the players who don't know Sheik's identity. In Ultimate, Pit states something like "You guys know Sheik is really Zelda in disguise, right?" Seems to me they're using male pronouns to try and cover up Sheik's actual gender... and then Pit blows it at the end :P
Actual Zelda games and past Smash Trophies refer to Sheik as female, aside from that instance with Ruto in Ocarina of Time. But the way Smash handles the Zelda characters is kind of confusing. The characters seem like a mix-match representative of their characters (Link can use a Boomerang in Smash 64 and Melee when he can't in OoT, for example). But for Sheik, Sheik has always been Zelda in disguise in the two games she's been in. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 10:19, 7 December 2018 (EST)
I concur, given the only statements she was male had previously been a non-canon manga and a mood-swinger fish falling for a disguise. She's always sounded on the feminine side of androgynous, so this seems more like how in FNAF World, Phantom Mangle's description actually alternates between "he" and "she" between appearances. Just to bait the people who still want to make a needless issue of it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 12:04, 7 December 2018 (EST)
As much as I'd like to believe it was only Kid Icarus humor, since we've had an established history of Sheik as a she with practically the sole exception being Ruto's mistake... the official website hinted earlier that Nintendo's modern stance might have changed. From what I've been able to gather, the French and German versions also indicate that Sheik is now considered a he, the Russian version is the only one that keeps referring to Sheik as a she, and the rest are ambiguous. So I think it's likely deliberate, although it depends on the language. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:09, 7 December 2018 (EST)
When Sheik's blog was posted, there was discussion about it on SmashWiki's Discord. Ultimately (yes, that pun is easy to make), we decided it was a typo. But now with the Guidance, it seems to be a clear attempt to cover her gender. Regarding Sheik's article on ZeldaWiki, Zelda is in disguise as a male Sheikah. It really depends on the game and who is addressing her, but officially, Sheik is female, and I don't know why they changed pronouns for Ultimate after calling Sheik female for the past 17 years... Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 12:16, 7 December 2018 (EST)
It does seem pretty silly that Nintendo would suddenly care about spoilers in Smash, but since we've had Eiji Aonuma and Bill Trinen both state that Sheik is female, I can accept the cover-up explanation unless Nintendo comes out and starts saying otherwise (and I'd imagine the Sheik persona wouldn't particularly care what you call her either way, as long as you definitely don't think she's Zelda then it's all good). Though should we at least make a note of the apparent contradiction? LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:39, 7 December 2018 (EST)
I wouldn't call it a "contradiction", but yeah. Maybe adding to the opening line "Her appearance is very androgynous, and was made that way in order to make the reveal at the end more surprising. Because of this, she is referred to with both male and female pronouns, but is canonically female."? Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 12:44, 7 December 2018 (EST)
That ought to cover it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:59, 7 December 2018 (EST)
As an addendum just in case this is brought up again, I've found that the rest of the in-game text refers to Sheik as female, so...joke's on me. LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:07, 8 December 2018 (EST)