Talk:Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in-game statistics
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Units
So MatPat brings up something here: What do these Mario Kart 8 units actually mean? https://youtu.be/wkpqiKj9eLM?t=5m21s 
18:19, 13 May 2018 (EDT)
- Those are points (PT), each one takes to the next row of the statistic translation table, with big jumps in the actual in-game weight every 4 points. Until you consider the final weight of the whole combination 9 does not directly correspond to an in-game weight, which is why I created this section on the main page in the first place and also added an explanation before the table.--Mister Wu (talk) 22:39, 13 May 2018 (EDT)
Code names
I have to agree with the IP that real names are far better in this situation over the code names. Code names are beneficial really only to data-miners and game modders, the latter which is already extensively documented to them to begin with on dedicated modding sites. And the IP has a point too: if characters indeed use code names, the vehicle parts should too: Monster tires should say "TireB_Big, TireK_Big, and TireT_Big". If we should absolutely include code names, which I do think we should still regardless of the extensive documentation, do what this article does, list them in a separate cell than the main one. 
Ray Trace(T|C) 14:54, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- The problem is what is the point of this part: since those first tables are already found in the main page with a user-friendly layout, these first statistics tables are meant to be a faithful reproduction of what is found in the binary tables - read copypaste of data with addition of headers, possibly those that are given directly by the game -, so it's also easier to spot interpretation or transcription errors in the main page, which already happened quite a few times before thanks to this layout. Since the second part - the translation tables - doesn't have a counterpart as there's honestly not much that can be done to make the tables more user readable, it includes descriptions along with the internal names. As for the codenames used only for the characters here is that only these were found in the binary files in the exact same order used by said files - the other parts don't have code names in the parts binary file, otherwise they would have been added. The link you pointed to doesn't refer to the internal names used by the binary files, so it's outside of the scope of this page, which stems from those.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Just because it's faithful to how it's originally displayed, doesn't make it the optimal solution. This page, just because it's more aimed at the technically-minded folk, doesn't mean we have to make it harder for people who don't know what these terms mean: we'll always get new people who are interested in this sort of stuff, and keeping the code name only because "that's how it is" is counterproductive to a wiki's purpose: to provide clear and accessible information, to the well-read and to newcomers. As it currently is, it's too inclusive and content, and honestly, I don't see the harm of "translating" the code to a clearer name either since you're not going to lose any information that way. The fact that we have an IP and me who disputes this says something about how it's not the optimal solution. Again, I also propose we add original names AND the code names: the code names are small enough to be compressed into yet another cell (since that's their purpose to begin with: be small yet descriptive).
Ray Trace(T|C) 16:30, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- I'll do it, since it's not a long job to do, but remember that the IP wasn't absolutely doing this. They were deleting the actual headers found in the files to put the names used by the game, which is a radically different thing - we were losing information which is fundamental for us to see whether we were reading the data right or not.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- That I can agree with: we can definitely use both, because code names had helped me in the past, when it comes to modding Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I should probably get around adding id names to Smash 4's my music page too, but it has a longer name than Brawl's so that could be trickier. Ray Trace(T|C) 17:03, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Done, I put the names below the UI ones since we already use two lines for the parts with different PAL names and this way we don't have too many columns. If there are other improvements to the layout, please tell me.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Thank you very much. Ray Trace(T|C) 17:45, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Is it worth putting the code names for the Kart parts too? Since having the Characters's CNs and the Karts CNs together would make sense. 79.67.209.35 17:54, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Mister Wu has already explained why the kart part names aren't on the list. The file names used for the model files and what not are not the same as what governs the stats files used for this page. They apparently don't exist, hence why there's nothing of the sort. Ray Trace(T|C) 17:55, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Oh I see, never mind then. 79.67.209.35 18:00, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Mister Wu has already explained why the kart part names aren't on the list. The file names used for the model files and what not are not the same as what governs the stats files used for this page. They apparently don't exist, hence why there's nothing of the sort.
- Is it worth putting the code names for the Kart parts too? Since having the Characters's CNs and the Karts CNs together would make sense. 79.67.209.35 17:54, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Thank you very much.
- Done, I put the names below the UI ones since we already use two lines for the parts with different PAL names and this way we don't have too many columns. If there are other improvements to the layout, please tell me.--Mister Wu (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- That I can agree with: we can definitely use both, because code names had helped me in the past, when it comes to modding Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I should probably get around adding id names to Smash 4's my music page too, but it has a longer name than Brawl's so that could be trickier.
- I'll do it, since it's not a long job to do, but remember that the IP wasn't absolutely doing this. They were deleting the actual headers found in the files to put the names used by the game, which is a radically different thing - we were losing information which is fundamental for us to see whether we were reading the data right or not.--Mister Wu (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
- Just because it's faithful to how it's originally displayed, doesn't make it the optimal solution. This page, just because it's more aimed at the technically-minded folk, doesn't mean we have to make it harder for people who don't know what these terms mean: we'll always get new people who are interested in this sort of stuff, and keeping the code name only because "that's how it is" is counterproductive to a wiki's purpose: to provide clear and accessible information, to the well-read and to newcomers. As it currently is, it's too inclusive and content, and honestly, I don't see the harm of "translating" the code to a clearer name either since you're not going to lose any information that way. The fact that we have an IP and me who disputes this says something about how it's not the optimal solution. Again, I also propose we add original names AND the code names: the code names are small enough to be compressed into yet another cell (since that's their purpose to begin with: be small yet descriptive).
