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| | A Talk For Wario's Woods |
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| == Wario game? == | | == Wario game? == |
| Should this really be in the [[:Category:Wario Games|Wario Games category]]? [[User:Cobold|Cobold]] 13:49, 3 February 2007 (EST) | | Should this really be in the [[:Category:Wario Games|Wario Games category]]? [[User:Cobold|Cobold]] 13:49, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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| ::[[Challenge Mode (New Super Mario Bros.)]] - We have a complication. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 01:56, 8 July 2016 (EDT) | | ::[[Challenge Mode (New Super Mario Bros.)]] - We have a complication. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 01:56, 8 July 2016 (EDT) |
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| ==Split?== | | == Split? == |
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| [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Split Switch.2F3DS ports with substantial new content|Given this proposal,]] I'd say the SNES ''Wario's Woods'' is more than transformative enough to qualify for a split. In addition to adding the VS COM and extra difficulty, the existing Round Game and Time Race game modes have significant changes between consoles as well, with entirely different monster layouts per screen, soundtrack, and the removal of standard bosses. It's somewhat forcing it to keep them in the same article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:25, October 20, 2019 (EDT) | | [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Split Switch.2F3DS ports with substantial new content|Given this proposal,]] I'd say the SNES ''Wario's Woods'' is more than transformative enough to qualify for a split. In addition to adding the VS COM and extra difficulty, the existing Round Game and Time Race game modes have significant changes between consoles as well, with entirely different monster layouts per screen, soundtrack, and the removal of standard bosses. It's somewhat forcing it to keep them in the same article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:25, October 20, 2019 (EDT) |
| :It's been almost a year since this was initially suggested, but I agree with splitting. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:36, October 11, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::Now, hold on. If we split the NES and SNES versions, then what should we do with the Satellaview versions? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 14:17, February 22, 2023 (CST)
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| :::That would go with the SNES (at least for now). The NES and SNES versions are for all intents and purposes different games. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:41, February 22, 2023 (EST)
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| ::::Ok. Maybe there could be a proposal for this game? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 08:23, March 13, 2023 (CST)
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| == Split Wario's Woods. ==
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| {{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-2-0|Split NES and SNES versions, keep Satellaview information with SNES}}
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| I know that I made a port/remake proposal before, but this one's different. First, some context. On July 18, 2018,[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/52#Split_Switch.2F3DS_ports_with_substantial_new_content|a proposal]] to split Switch/3DS games on a case by case basis passed. On October 20, 2019, {{User|LinkTheLefty}} said
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| <blockquote>[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Split Switch.2F3DS ports with substantial new content|Given this proposal,]] I'd say the SNES ''Wario's Woods'' is more than transformative enough to qualify for a split. In addition to adding the VS COM and extra difficulty, the existing Round Game and Time Race game modes have significant changes between consoles as well, with entirely different monster layouts per screen, soundtrack, and the removal of standard bosses. It's somewhat forcing it to keep them in the same article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:25, October 20, 2019 (EDT)</blockquote>
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| <blockquote>[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Split Switch.2F3DS ports with substantial new content|Given this proposal,]] I'd say the SNES ''Wario's Woods'' is more than transformative enough to qualify for a split. In addition to adding the VS COM and extra difficulty, the existing Round Game and Time Race game modes have significant changes between consoles as well, with entirely different monster layouts per screen, soundtrack, and the removal of standard bosses. It's somewhat forcing it to keep them in the same article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:25, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
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| :It's been almost a year since this was initially suggested, but I agree with splitting. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:36, October 11, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::Now, hold on. If we split the NES and SNES versions, then what should we do with the Satellaview versions? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 14:17, February 22, 2023 (CST)
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| :::That would go with the SNES (at least for now). The NES and SNES versions are for all intents and purposes different games. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:41, February 22, 2023 (EST)
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| ::::Ok. Maybe there could be a proposal for this game? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 08:23, March 13, 2023 (CST) </blockquote>
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| So that's what I'm doing. I can see that SNES and NES "are for all intents and purposes different games", the problem is the Satellaview versions. On the one hand, they have differences too, like SMA3 vs. YI, but on the other hand, those differences might not be enough.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': March 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Split NES and SNES versions, keep Satellaview information with SNES===
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| #{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Secondary choice per proposal.
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Long overdue. We don't have much information on the Satellaview versions though, so those can probably stay merged for now.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per Waluigi Time--how has this not been done ''sooner?'' While we'd like to split the Satellaview version at a later time, we figure it can't hurt to keep them merged until those are more documented.
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| #{{User|MegaBowser64}} Per all, and I was gonna make a joke about Wario's Woods but I couldn't think of one :'(
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| #{{User|ReeceeYT}} Per all.
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| #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Thing with Satellaview ''Wario's Woods'' is that it's not just one version, but ''at least'' four. Right now, deeming them edits of the SNES version is well enough. When there's more information, we can reconvene and gather which Satellaview versions are worth splitting further and whatnot.
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| #{{User|Zootalo}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} Per all, it baffles me how it took this long for this to happen.
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| #{{User|Arend}} Per all. Satellaview version can stay with the SNES version until we have further information on its differences.
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| ===Split all 3===
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| #{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Main choice per proposal.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Our secondary option--we feel like for now, there may be slim pickings for coverage, but hey, if it's our ultimate goal, this might kickstart further discoveries.
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| So, how come the NES and SNES versions weren't suggested to be split until now? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:21, March 14, 2024 (EDT)
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| :No one really thought to or was willing to do all the work; for most people, this game is pretty low-priority, to the point that basically the only reason anyone references it ever is because of the version-exclusive mermaids. A similar case is ''Missing'' and ''Time Machine'' which are not split between systems despite being functionally completely different games. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:29, March 14, 2024 (EDT)
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| Question: if the first option passes (and it's looking poised to), are we going with "''Wario's Woods'' (Nintendo Entertainment System)" for the title? <small>Yes I know I suggested it but it's been nearly five years with little traction until now.</small> Since it was released first by about ten months and it's the version that gets re-released much more often, I'm thinking the NES one should be the "default" article, [[Donkey Kong Country (Game Boy Color)|following]] [[Donkey Kong Country (Game Boy Advance)|the]] [[Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Nintendo Switch)|formatting]] [[Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Nintendo Switch / Nintendo 3DS)|of]] [[Luigi's Mansion (Nintendo 3DS)|other]] [[Mario vs. Donkey Kong (Nintendo Switch)|subjects]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:03, March 14, 2024 (EDT)
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| :I dunno, since it's not an outright remake, I don't like giving priority for that type of thing since one version will always be the "real" version in ''someone''{{'}}s eyes, for instance with the ''Mario & Sonic'' games and the console vs handheld versions of them (note I also don't like it when one of those ''Sonic'' games that get multiple concurrent releases with the same plot and basic assets get one version prioritized, like with ''Colors'', ''Generations'', ''Lost World'', and '''especially''' ''Unleashed''). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:31, March 14, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Fair point. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:53, March 14, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Yeah, fair point. Though honestly, it's kind of surprising. I leave this going for 2 days, and 6 other people have voted on it! "(note I also don't like it when one of those ''Sonic'' games that get multiple concurrent releases with the same plot and basic assets get one version prioritized, like with ''Colors'', ''Generations'', ''Lost World'', and '''especially''' ''Unleashed'')" Yeah, although there ARE Sonic Colors Ulltimate(which is one of those remakes that actually is somehow WORSE than the OG game/s) & the upcoming Sonic X Shadow Generations(yes, it's real), but then again, those are CONCURRENT releases. Though Wario's Woods is also a concurrent release in the US and probably Europe too, it's not in Japan. So that's a problem, which is the "OG", and which is the "remake/port"? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 07:18, March 15, 2024 (CST)
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| :::My guess: the Famicom version came out very late in the console's life cycle that it probably almost didn't release on the NES, and the condition to release it in the West was to make a SNES version. Possibly, the decision to skimp on the Super Famicom physical release was to cut on cartridge costs for the then-upcoming Satellaview (maybe not unwise, because if you can believe it, there was a time when SNES games like ''Wario's Woods'' and ''Kirby's Avalanche'' were sold complete in bargain bins). Solid development information on this game is scarce, though. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:50, March 15, 2024 (EDT)
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