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Looking closely at the blurry texture on the cover seems to suggest that it is the "DK64 Player's Guide".  The Banjo-Kazooie Wiki has a better angle of it, taken from the DK Vine. --[[User:Mysterii|Mysterii]] ([[User talk:Mysterii|talk]]) 16:28, 12 January 2018 (EST)
Looking closely at the blurry texture on the cover seems to suggest that it is the "DK64 Player's Guide".  The Banjo-Kazooie Wiki has a better angle of it, taken from the DK Vine. --[[User:Mysterii|Mysterii]] ([[User talk:Mysterii|talk]]) 16:28, 12 January 2018 (EST)
==Adjust or remove the "Cheato" redirect to "Book"==
'''Full disclaimer: This proposal will, in the event actual evidence for Books being called "Cheato", be almost assuredly rendered moot. In the event proof of the "Cheato" name gets found before the proposal deadline, we'd be fine to end it early.'''
We promise to make this one simple (or at least, simple for our standards). [[Cheato]] redirects to Book, due to a claim added October 27th, 2014 that "Cheato" is their name in Japan. This is backed up by the presence of a character in Banjo Kazooie--a very similar-looking sentient book--also being named Cheato in English. However, 9 years on, and this claim is ''still'' uncited. The original edit that added this didn't include any references whatsoever, and in fact, in the time since [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Book&diff=next&oldid=1748902 the first edit that added this], a "Names in Other Languages" section was removed for lack of proper citationwork... yet, the redirect stands. What only serves to complicate matters is that [[Rip Cheato]] is a character in the first place, who is ''actually'' called Cheato.
So... Um... ''Are'' they called Cheato in Japan? Since the English site is the source of the original name, we figured we'd check the Japanese site in specific; and [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_ndoj/index.html that's currently still up], so that's easy to check. Admittedly, our methodology as someone who doesn't speak Japanese basically amounted to "open every link and look for a book", and while there's a very real chance we missed a link somewhere, we couldn't find the Book anyways.
Until we can prove if this thing has ever been called Cheato in Japan, we have 3 real options here:
* '''Make "Cheato" redirect to "Rip Cheato":''' Odds are, an individual searching this name is looking for the character with Cheato as a last name.
* '''Delete "Cheato" as a redirect altogether:''' Exactly what it says on the tin. Obviously, if the name "Cheato" gets used for another character in the future--or if Cheato gets confirmed as a name for this thing--then we can remake this.
* '''Do nothing:''' This is a 9 year old redirect, is it really hurting anyone? ...I mean, we've deleted needless redirects with incorrect names before (hi, "[[Fury Bowser|God Slayer Bowser]]".), and while this is merely ''un''proven rather than ''dis''proven, it's been 9 years. This is probably a cold case unless this proposal changes things, which to be honest, we actively welcome in this case.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Camwoodstock}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 22, 2023, 23:59 GMT
===Change to redirect to Rip Cheato===
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This is our secondary option; while we feel like most people looking for Rip Cheato would just type "Rip Cheato", basically anything but redirecting to Book feels best, and if this redirect has to continue existing, we might as well point to him.
===Delete redirect entirely===
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This is our preferred option. Until the day comes we can prove for certain if this was a valid name, this really isn't helping anyone except the oddly specific demographic of people who have played Banjo Kazooie, have not played Donkey Kong 64, know of Cheato, are looking for this book enemy, and searched "Cheato" instead of both Book or [[Creepy Castle|the area it appears in]]. How often does this get used, anyways?
===Do nothing===
===Comments===

Revision as of 19:09, December 8, 2023

Is there an official name for the Ghost Book? --Taj The Genie 16:50, 9 February 2007 (EST)

I doubt it, I've looked through my guidebook and nothing; Its probably another one of those unamed enemies, like Killer Tomatos or Mecha-Kritter. -- Sir Grodus

Well apparently there's Cheato in Japan, which is the same name as one character from Banjo-Kazooie. I'm moving the page to Cheato anyways. --Metalex123 (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

Looking closely at the blurry texture on the cover seems to suggest that it is the "DK64 Player's Guide". The Banjo-Kazooie Wiki has a better angle of it, taken from the DK Vine. --Mysterii (talk) 16:28, 12 January 2018 (EST)

Adjust or remove the "Cheato" redirect to "Book"

Full disclaimer: This proposal will, in the event actual evidence for Books being called "Cheato", be almost assuredly rendered moot. In the event proof of the "Cheato" name gets found before the proposal deadline, we'd be fine to end it early.

We promise to make this one simple (or at least, simple for our standards). Cheato redirects to Book, due to a claim added October 27th, 2014 that "Cheato" is their name in Japan. This is backed up by the presence of a character in Banjo Kazooie--a very similar-looking sentient book--also being named Cheato in English. However, 9 years on, and this claim is still uncited. The original edit that added this didn't include any references whatsoever, and in fact, in the time since the first edit that added this, a "Names in Other Languages" section was removed for lack of proper citationwork... yet, the redirect stands. What only serves to complicate matters is that Rip Cheato is a character in the first place, who is actually called Cheato.

So... Um... Are they called Cheato in Japan? Since the English site is the source of the original name, we figured we'd check the Japanese site in specific; and that's currently still up, so that's easy to check. Admittedly, our methodology as someone who doesn't speak Japanese basically amounted to "open every link and look for a book", and while there's a very real chance we missed a link somewhere, we couldn't find the Book anyways.

Until we can prove if this thing has ever been called Cheato in Japan, we have 3 real options here:

  • Make "Cheato" redirect to "Rip Cheato": Odds are, an individual searching this name is looking for the character with Cheato as a last name.
  • Delete "Cheato" as a redirect altogether: Exactly what it says on the tin. Obviously, if the name "Cheato" gets used for another character in the future--or if Cheato gets confirmed as a name for this thing--then we can remake this.
  • Do nothing: This is a 9 year old redirect, is it really hurting anyone? ...I mean, we've deleted needless redirects with incorrect names before (hi, "God Slayer Bowser".), and while this is merely unproven rather than disproven, it's been 9 years. This is probably a cold case unless this proposal changes things, which to be honest, we actively welcome in this case.

Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk)
Deadline: December 22, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Change to redirect to Rip Cheato

  1. Camwoodstock (talk) This is our secondary option; while we feel like most people looking for Rip Cheato would just type "Rip Cheato", basically anything but redirecting to Book feels best, and if this redirect has to continue existing, we might as well point to him.

Delete redirect entirely

  1. Camwoodstock (talk) This is our preferred option. Until the day comes we can prove for certain if this was a valid name, this really isn't helping anyone except the oddly specific demographic of people who have played Banjo Kazooie, have not played Donkey Kong 64, know of Cheato, are looking for this book enemy, and searched "Cheato" instead of both Book or the area it appears in. How often does this get used, anyways?

Do nothing

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