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:::::::Does it? They all still seem to be two halves of the same idiot to me. With the exception of Paper Luigi, all of the important character ones are always in the same place anyways. It's not ridiculous, it's common sense. Again, Nintendo's interpretation in each individual game can be different at any given time, but that does ''not'' justify a split. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:16, November 17, 2019 (EST)
:::::::Does it? They all still seem to be two halves of the same idiot to me. With the exception of Paper Luigi, all of the important character ones are always in the same place anyways. It's not ridiculous, it's common sense. Again, Nintendo's interpretation in each individual game can be different at any given time, but that does ''not'' justify a split. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:16, November 17, 2019 (EST)
::::::::At this point you're suggesting merging clearly distinct entities who appear on screen at the same time. Merging Mario and Paper Mario sounds particularly disastrous, good luck explaining 2/3 of an RPG's playable characters in one article without getting clunky and messy. Plus, if we'd do that, then it only makes sense to merge Dr. Mario, Mr. L, Rookie, and every other alter-ego because those are actually the same person. If an alternate version of Mario from another dimension doesn't deserve his own article, then Mario putting a lab coat on definitely doesn't. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:17, November 18, 2019 (EST)
::::::::At this point you're suggesting merging clearly distinct entities who appear on screen at the same time. Merging Mario and Paper Mario sounds particularly disastrous, good luck explaining 2/3 of an RPG's playable characters in one article without getting clunky and messy. Plus, if we'd do that, then it only makes sense to merge Dr. Mario, Mr. L, Rookie, and every other alter-ego because those are actually the same person. If an alternate version of Mario from another dimension doesn't deserve his own article, then Mario putting a lab coat on definitely doesn't. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:17, November 18, 2019 (EST)
:::::::::Except "alternate persona" and "the exact same person from another world" do not the same thing make. I'll concede that it may need a bit more thought, but I didn't want to rush that sort of thing regardless. In any case, I see no reason to not re-merge the paper enemies, as they aren't characters, they're a species, and we have things such as the distinct-looking Bob-ombs from SMB3 and the varyingly-statted Magikoopas from the first PM covered in the same place, so I see no reason that this identifier should hold any more weight than a color variation in that case. Besides, we already make [[Sombrero Guy|some]] [[Tower Power Pokey|exception]] to that due to it debuting in a PM game.
::In the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiZ8BrT5e1Q E3 2012 footage], Megasparkle Goomba was originally named "Boss Goomba"; what other reason would they have to go from that to "Megasparkle" without thinking of Mega Goomba, and why couldn't they have thought of any other name if they didn't connect the dots? Not to mention, [[Mizzter Blizzard]] is also a "Boss" enemy in Japan, meaning that having a generic look of a generic mook isn't a dis-qualifier from the boss status from a developer's point of view, especially if there's also "vanilla big type" enemies in. That also makes Mario Party Mega Goombas a bad example because the Megas both have "kyodai" in Japan to identify them as "big types" and appear alongside "boss" and "king" types. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 10:07, November 18, 2019 (EST)
::In the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiZ8BrT5e1Q E3 2012 footage], Megasparkle Goomba was originally named "Boss Goomba"; what other reason would they have to go from that to "Megasparkle" without thinking of Mega Goomba, and why couldn't they have thought of any other name if they didn't connect the dots? Not to mention, [[Mizzter Blizzard]] is also a "Boss" enemy in Japan, meaning that having a generic look of a generic mook isn't a dis-qualifier from the boss status from a developer's point of view, especially if there's also "vanilla big type" enemies in. That also makes Mario Party Mega Goombas a bad example because the Megas both have "kyodai" in Japan to identify them as "big types" and appear alongside "boss" and "king" types. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 10:07, November 18, 2019 (EST)
:::Considering how often Mega is used in the Mario series to describe "really big stuff", the presence of "Mega" in the name alone isn't really convincing that these were intended to be the same entity. Frankly, the amount of stretching that has to be done to say "Mega Goomba and Megasparkle Goomba ''might'' be the same thing" makes me think this is a bad idea and they should be left alone. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:17, November 18, 2019 (EST)
:::Considering how often Mega is used in the Mario series to describe "really big stuff", the presence of "Mega" in the name alone isn't really convincing that these were intended to be the same entity. Frankly, the amount of stretching that has to be done to say "Mega Goomba and Megasparkle Goomba ''might'' be the same thing" makes me think this is a bad idea and they should be left alone. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:17, November 18, 2019 (EST)
::::And there's nothing saying that Atomic Teresa and Boss Teresa are the same thing other than the English name, which can be said the same of later Kyodai Kuribo and Boss Kuribo. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:16, November 18, 2019 (EST)
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