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:::No. No, no, no. It does not work like that. We cannot just consider everything not fought at the end of a chapter or world a miniboss. [[Category talk:Mini Bosses|That is exactly why the category had to be hosed down to begin with]]. And claiming that "boss themes mean nothing" is nonsense. They're not everything, but of course they mean something. They're part of the presentation. The mid-bosses share a theme because they're "less important" than the chapter bosses. Not that that's the single defining criterion for what makes a miniboss, but the point is if a game does not actually draw a fine line between "boss" and "miniboss", then there is absolutely no good reason to be forcing the category on it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:13, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | :::No. No, no, no. It does not work like that. We cannot just consider everything not fought at the end of a chapter or world a miniboss. [[Category talk:Mini Bosses|That is exactly why the category had to be hosed down to begin with]]. And claiming that "boss themes mean nothing" is nonsense. They're not everything, but of course they mean something. They're part of the presentation. The mid-bosses share a theme because they're "less important" than the chapter bosses. Not that that's the single defining criterion for what makes a miniboss, but the point is if a game does not actually draw a fine line between "boss" and "miniboss", then there is absolutely no good reason to be forcing the category on it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:13, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
::::If we're going down that route, I'd like to point out that virtually no game has actually ever referred to a miniboss as a miniboss by the word itself, or anything other than implication, an implication shared with the SPM minibosses. They are presented in an identical manner, ie a lesser boss. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 0:05, 7 July 2017 (CT) | ::::If we're going down that route, I'd like to point out that virtually no game has actually ever referred to a miniboss as a miniboss by the word itself, or anything other than implication, an implication shared with the SPM minibosses. They are presented in an identical manner, ie a lesser boss. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 0:05, 7 July 2017 (CT) | ||
:::::The statement is technically incorrect: in-game data of ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' refer to ''zako | :::::The statement is technically incorrect: in-game data of ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'', such as the unit data table [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12jSeMI6-xEia0ocOrG_ykpCXNoEmX5pGitHnfsuf9ag/pubhtml here], refer to ''zako boss'' and ''boss'', the latter are of course the Koopalings and Bowser, with the former being the other bosses. The distinction is not as arbitrary as it may sound. Still, I don't have a dump of ''Super Paper Mario'', so I don't know how developers classify the bosses in the game.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 05:51, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
::::::Doc von Schmeltwick noted that no boss is ever referred to as mid-boss or mini-boss in any game. I would like to note the page [[Superboss]] is about to be deleted, partially for the fact that superboss is a fan term. Could the same scenario apply here? | ::::::Doc von Schmeltwick noted that no boss is ever referred to as mid-boss or mini-boss in any game. I would like to note the page [[Superboss]] is about to be deleted, partially for the fact that superboss is a fan term. Could the same scenario apply here? | ||
::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 09:14, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | ::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 09:14, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
:::::::At the moment, I only have information on ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' and ''Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time'', both games that do not feature Superbosses, so at the moment I cannot say anything direct on the matter of Superbosses. What is said here applies exclusively to the matter of mini-bosses and bosses, on which data confirm that developers indeed make such distinction.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:29, 7 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
