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== Bonjour ==

Bonjour.  J'ai vu que vous êtes/tu es Français comme moi? Enchanté! Moi, c'est FanOfYoshi, ici depuis 2015 (ou quelques années auparavant), et crée mon compte en Aout 2018. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:13, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

:Salut ! &mdash; {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 11:22, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

==Re:Hoppin≠Hoppycat==
Hey, I actually just noticed the visual difference in the ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' article when you messaged me, so yes, there's...confusion. I looked at the internals to hopefully make some sense out of it. So the basic Hoppycat enemy/expert is called by the early name "JumpUni" which basically "Jump Urchin" (no relation to Urchin, but possibly meant to have one to Biripyon aka JumpToge), and the big green one is called "JumpUniWonder" - so it looks like, for the Japanese guide, they repurposed the name "Wonder" for the "expert" recolor, and left the big green one unnamed? Am I understanding that right? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:55, January 26, 2024 (EST)
:The guidebook lists the large Hoppycat as「巨大なホッピン※」with the ※ mark indicating that the enemy does not have a formal name and the specified name was made up for the purpose of the guidebook (名前の横に※があるものは、正式名称がないため本書独自で名称をつけたもの). The orange Hoppycat is listed as「ワンダーホッピン」and lacks a ※ mark, which means that the name is official and was not made up for the guidebook. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 11:12, January 26, 2024 (EST)
::That's very interesting. So now, licensed guides have to be scrutinized for conjectural names like that Game Informer piece. I guess the current arrangement makes sense for now. We'll just see if anything changes. Thanks for explaining. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:22, January 26, 2024 (EST)
:::This is why I suggested to get the Kadokawa guide as well, to see if either has names the other doesn't. Still, I got myself the NinDori guide too and noticed "Big Hoppin" and "Big Konk" have second names outside the enemy list; でかホッピン (p. 293-295) for the former and ワンダーゴッツン (p. 175) for the latter. So those may not be the actual names, or they may be but the people writing the enemy list didn't get the memo from those putting together the walkthrough. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 11:30, February 18, 2024 (EST)

==Re:Internal localized names==
Yep, I added them to the page. It's basically like a glossary for localizers that didn't get dummied out, but it's incomplete. Some Switch games have them. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:36, March 16, 2024 (EDT)

== NoA Quebec Localizations ==

Hi! You seem to be very knowledgeable about the French localization so I thought I would ask. I thought that after Super Mario Galaxy and Spirit Tracks were localized for Quebec there was controversy about it teaching "improper french" and after that Quebec only got the identical localization as France did. Is this not the case after all? Just saw your update on the TTYD remake page. [[User:Zachruff|Zachruff]] ([[User talk:Zachruff|talk]]) 11:22, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
:The controversy was specifically about the use of "Joual", a sociolect of Québec French that is perceived as "improper French" and is accused of promoting poor literacy, in ''Super Mario Galaxy''. The subsequent games were localized in "International French" in Québec, but this does not mean that those localizations are identical to their NOE counterparts. In many cases, the NOA French localization is based on the NOE French localization, but is adapted to Québec French, for example by changing some words or phrasings that would feel unnatural to Québécois. In some cases, the NOA French localization is vastly different from the NOE French version and seems to be translated from the English version instead; one recent example is ''Super Mario RPG'' for Nintendo Switch. In all cases, the NOA French versions avoid Joual for the most part but are always more or less different from the NOE French versions. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 05:35, April 29, 2024 (EDT)

== Favorite Mario French quotes from the SMW cartoon: ==

Here are 5 of my personal favorites, since you have a section like this:

"C'est une bonne idée que tu as là, Mario! Je n'y aurais jamais pensé tout seul! En fait, c'est justement l'idée qu'il me fallait pour conquérir la ville du dôme!" ([[Ludwig]])

"Quel idiot! Je vous avais pris pour un fantôme!" ([[Luigi]])

"Toi vouloir la guerre? D'accord! Toi l'avoir!" ([[Yoshi]])

"Il faut pas perdre son sang froid, surtout pour un réptile! Le jeu est terminé, vous avez perdu, il faut vous rendre à l'évidence." ([[Mario]])

"Mais qu-est-ce que c'est que ce Pac-Man?" ([[King Koopa]])

Do you have any personal favorites yourself? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:45, July 25, 2024 (EDT)

:I'm not a big fan of the Mario DIC cartoons, but I like the quote « [https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxIqVixfKiXZJXhI6kc8xIP7E3AixawDTj 1295 dollars et 31 cents] !? » due to its use in some YouTube Poops. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 11:09, July 26, 2024 (EDT)
::I see. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:26, July 26, 2024 (EDT)

==La planète de Donkey Kong==

Merci d'avoir ajouté les paroles pour [[Remix Files]]. J'ai créé la page mais en raison la mauvaise qualité de l'extrait, j'avais de la misère à isoler les paroles. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 17:34, August 8, 2024 (EDT)

== European serial number ==

I reverted all your edits, because the European ROM using same ROM as US version. There are cases where only the serial code is written differently, but the contents of the ROM are the same as the North American version. In this case, it is written as USA/Europe. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 03:41, October 12, 2024 (EDT)
:It does not matter than the ROM is the same as the US version. If the serial numbers are different, it must be listed separately. ''Donkey Kong Land III'' was [https://www.game-boy-database.com/cartridges/547.jpg released in Europe with the serial number "DMG-AD3P-EUR"], therefore, it must be listed as "DMG-AD3P-EUR"! {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 03:47, October 12, 2024 (EDT)
::If the North American and European versions have same ROM, it is labeled as "UE" version. Then, since the notation is different, so I will add that it is the same. If the Japanese and North American versions are the same, the serial code ends with "A". [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 03:55, October 12, 2024 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Can you remove [[Cage Catch]] and [[Rinks to Riches]] from SMPJ NIOL? [[User:Justgetmycatch|Justgetmycatch]] ([[User talk:Justgetmycatch|talk]]) 09:54, November 11, 2024 (EST)

== Hey again ==

Can you create a page for On the Beet? And can you add foreign names as well? [[User:Justgetmycatch|Justgetmycatch]] ([[User talk:Justgetmycatch|talk]]) 10:52, November 11, 2024 (EST)

== Hey for the 3rd time ==

Can you add foreign names for [[Twist and Sort]], [[Flip 'n Find]], [[Roll with It]], [[A Stone's Throw]], [[Prize Line]], and [[Prize Drop]]? [[User:Justgetmycatch|Justgetmycatch]] ([[User talk:Justgetmycatch|talk]]) 08:12, November 12, 2024 (EST)

== Mario Party Names in Other Languages ==

Hi! I just noticed now you've been doing the hard work of adding citations for the foreign names for ''Super Mario Party Jamboree'' minigames. Thank you very much for this! I hope you found the datamine helpful! [[File:Go Mario.png]] {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:31, January 2, 2025 (EST)

== Raynforst Island ==

Hey Jtendo! Do you think you could lend a hand in expanding the article about [[Raynforst Island]]? {{User:ZanyDragon/sig}} 01:05, February 13, 2025 (EST)

== Super Mario Bros. Wonder name question ==

Hello. I was wondering, since you own a Japanese Super Mario Bros. Wonder guidebook, if you could check if it gives the blue and green [[Mushroom Platform]]s a name. If it's not too much trouble, of course. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 14:38, February 21, 2025 (EST)

== On whether to use "English (United States)" for English localizations of games exclusive to the US (and how to classify Spanish, French and Portuguese localizations specifically for if not exclusive to one region)==

I wanted to make sure to ask you specifically, since in my opinion you presented the most compelling argument in support of [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/74#Standardize_the_use_of_.22English.22.2C_.22English_.28United_States.29.22_and.2For_.22English_.28United_Kingdom.29.22_as_languages_in_game_infoboxes|my earlier proposal]], which ended up passing. At the moment and as a result of the wording of the option that ultimately won, game infoboxes no longer list "English (United States)" specifically as a language at all if "English (United Kingdom)" is not also as one (which per the policy change I successfully proposed now requires a substantially different UK-specific English localization). Anyway, first of all, I wanted to ask about games like ''[[Mario Super Sluggers]]''. Since that game was localized in American English by Americans and that localization exclusively ended up in the American market, do you think it would make sense to still list it as only supporting "English (United States)"?

Even if it does, there's further edge cases to consider like ''[[VS. Super Mario Bros.]]''. That game is only available in English to begin with and initially only ended up in the American market (and very well may have been specifically developed with that market in mind), would it make sense to classify ''that'' game's language as specifically "English (United States)"? Then again, as far as we're aware, it was still exclusively ''developed'' – and by extension its original English text was written – in Japan by a Japanese team, and most if not of all of said English text was recycled from ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'' and ''[[Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels]]'', which were worldwide and initially Japan-exclusive releases respectively.  But then what about ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'' (not the remake)? That was initially localized in English exclusively for the American market by Americans; however, it saw an ''eventual'' European release (albeit treated as an "import"), in which a single line was changed specifically with the UK's variety of English in mind. So does ''that'' game have both US- and UK-specific English localizations, by a sheer technicality?

And then there's the localizations for non-English languages associated with multiple regions. Now, this doesn't happen nearly as often as the reverse does with English, but there have been cases – [[Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest|specifically]] [[Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!|with]] [[Donkey Kong Country (Game Boy Color)|certain]] [[Mario Tennis: Power Tour|games]] [[Mario Power Tennis#New Play Control! series|in]] the ''[[Donkey Kong Country (series)|Donkey Kong Country]]'' and ''[[Mario Tennis (series)|Mario Tennis]]'' series – where NoA appears to have reused NoE's France- and Spain-oriented French and/or Spanish localizations wholesale in their American release. So should we still only list those same language localizations also available in the American version as "French (France)" and "Spanish (Spain)" specifically, or as simply "French" and "Spanish" (which appear to have outright gone unused from the language template) or both, despite any lack of actual distinction? What about the ones that ''are'' currently exclusive to Europe but NoA has simply yet to make their own ones for any would-be American reissue?

I think it's also worth noting that Spanish and Portuguese as languages specifically – according to nearly everything I've learned about them – have especially notable and ''prominent'' regional differences that English could only dream of for the most part. Though as far as I'm aware, this is only half true for French; European French is considered "international" – a "lingua franca", one might say – to some extent in a way that Canadian/Quebec French simply isn't. Though you'd know better than I do in that regard. But regardless, for Spanish and Portuguese especially there's effectively no way to do a translation or localization that isn't inevitably oriented more toward one region or another. Hence why they're almost always done separately for Latin America and Europe respectively, or are otherwise primarily intended for either the former or the latter. So back to ''Super Sluggers''. As you mention on your own userpage, that game was also released in French (and Spanish) despite never being released in France (or Spain, or any part of Europe) itself. So does that make those language localizations at least de facto "French (France)" and "Spanish (Latin America)", despite NoE never having a chance to make their own localizations to officially differentiate them as such? The same could be said for NoA's English one simply listed as "English" at the moment, as previously mentioned. [[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]] ([[User talk:PaperSplash|talk]]) 02:16, March 3, 2025 (EST)

:Not sure about what to do for Mario Super Sluggers, but in the case of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, it was the term change for one line that made me list English (United States) and English (United Kingdom) separately. [[User:CarlosYoshiBoi|CarlosYoshiBoi]] ([[User talk:CarlosYoshiBoi|talk]]) 22:34, March 8, 2025 (PST)

== The octagonal Triple Threat Deluge bumpers (''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'') ==

Hey, would it be okay if I asked you if you could check your Japanese ''[[Super Mario Bros. Wonder]]'' guide, and see if they mention the small, blue-and-gold octagonal bumpers from the [[Shining Falls Special Triple Threat Deluge]] course (such as the five bumpers around the Shikaku Trampoline in [[:File:SMBW Shining Falls Special Triple Threat Deluge first 10-flower coin.jpg|this image]]) by a particular name? [[User talk:Nintendo101#The octagonal Triple Threat Deluge bumpers (Super Mario Bros. Wonder)|I already reached out Nintendo101 about this and they're happy to help out]], but also suggested I should reach out to you as well in case your ambit guide might be covering or naming the object differently compared to their Kadokawa one. {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:15, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

== "[[Peaches]]" ==

Hey, hope my [https://www.mariowiki.com/Special:MobileDiff/5164906 edits on "Peaches"] didn't come across as poor taste. I'm just trying to clean the page up, and currently, the Lyrics section is a bit overwhelming. I figured since the Wiki is mainly English and it being the language that the lyrics were originally, that having the rest be a drop-down was appropriate. I'm not crazy on sections that are just a drop-down, but I think that's the most inclusive way to handle it.

Sorry if I came across as ignorant. I respect you as a Frenchman doing language edits on a mostly English Wiki, and would love if you gave input. {{User:Sargent Deez/sig}} 16:11, January 9, 2026 (EST)

== "logical" quotation ==

I take issue with that wording. What is "logical" to ''me'' is that a full stop should always be connected directly to the word preceding it, as a space before a full stop looks ugly. I suggest you word that system differently to be less subjective, like, for instance, "disconnected quotation." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:57, January 31, 2026 (UTC)

== Re: NIOL ==

Sorry, but in addition to that absolutely '''not''' being a rule, [[Template talk:Foreign names#Order|I'm no fan of that order]]. As for sourcing, I don't see the point when it's obvious to any-frickin'-one who owns the game and can check for themselves. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 03:35, March 5, 2026 (UTC)
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	Sorry, but in addition to that absolutely '''not''' being a rule, [[Template talk:Foreign names#Order\|I'm no fan of that order]]. As for sourcing, I don't see the point when it's obvious to any-frickin'-one who owns the game and can check for themselves. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy\|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy\|talk]])</span> 03:35, March 5, 2026 (UTC)		Sorry, but in addition to that absolutely '''not''' being a rule, [[Template talk:Foreign names#Order\|I'm no fan of that order]]. As for sourcing, I don't see the point when it's obvious to any-frickin'-one who owns the game and can check for themselves. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy\|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy\|talk]])</span> 03:35, March 5, 2026 (UTC)
	:The order was determined by the proprietor, and in fact, for the past few days, tables not following that order have actually been [[Special:Contributions/PorpleBot\|automatically converted to fit it]] by the Proprietor. Altering the language order would require a proposal, and that there is not a rule ''expressly'' stating the order isn't [[MarioWiki:Don't shoot your foot off\|a green light for breaking said order]]. As Jdtendo also mentioned in their original post, sourcing names is [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/68#Require citations for names in other languages\|required per proposal]], as not everybody owns every game, and thusly, cannot check for themselves. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 04:43, March 5, 2026 (UTC)