Talk:Pouncer

(First topic)

I really don't see why the Wario Land II weights are described on this page – they don't really have anything in common besides the ability to crush Wario in some fashion. I would like to suggest moving the description of these weights to the D-Bat page, given how closely associated they are. AmossGuy (talk) 18:32, January 9, 2025 (EST)

They are explicitly given the same name in Japanese, ie the language-of-origin. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:22, January 9, 2025 (EST)

I agree with AmossGuy. I understand the perspective that these weights from Wario Land II are distinct from Pouncers, and I agree they aren't directly related. However, I believe it's more accurate to compare these weights to the Omodon from Wario Land 3, as the Omodon is essentially a variant of a weight. This suggests that the Wario Land II weights share a closer conceptual relationship with the Omodon than with Pouncers.

Given this, I think it's best to keep the Wario Land II weights separate from Pouncers, as they are different entities with different functions. While they can all be considered part of the same general "family" of Wario Land enemies, they each deserve their own dedicated pages to avoid confusion and to accurately represent their unique characteristics. SuperBallBro (talk) 1:15, May 13, 2025 (EST)

The only actual name the latter are given explicitly connects them. Things get redesigned sometimes. They aren't really any more different than SMB3 and SM64 Thwomps are from each other. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 09:52, May 13, 2025 (EDT)

Split into Weight (Wario Land II)

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do not split 2-8

This proposal aims to split the article into two pages—Pouncer and Weight (Wario Land II). Let me tell the differences between Pouncers from Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 and weights (a.k.a. blocks) from Wario Land II. Pouncers are grey, stony enemies that have spikes on it—causing Wario to lose a life upon contact—except for the top, and weights are blue, more rectangular weapons that lack any spikes, are carried and routinely dropped by D-Bats, causing Wario to become Flat Wario upon being crushed, and have noses similar to Wario's. Pouncers also change expressions when dropping, which weights do not. I propose that we split the pages into their own pages to make sure that everything is right again. Lucky for me, I made a draft for the weight article. That way, it'll be more interesting for the split.

Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Deadline: April 25, 2026, 23:59 (UTC)

Support: Split

1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal.
2. SuperBallBro (talk) I also find it strange that these are on the same page, as the two Thwomp-like creatures bear little resemblance to each other. I wouldn’t have recognized them as the same entity if one were not labeled as a “variant” of the Pouncer. Despite the supposed redesign to bridge the two Wario Land games, Pouncers and Weights differ significantly. In fact, the Weight has its own distinct variant, Omodon, which closely resembles it and should not be confused as a direct variant of the Pouncer. Keeping them separate would be the best approach to avoid confusing readers.

Oppose: Keep as-is

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - These are Pouncers, per the language of origin, just with a redesign to fit the new gameplay style. Nintendo Power just failed to get the connection. You know what else got a similar redesign in a contemporary game? This guy -> . Also, your description is straight-up false in some parts, namely that the WLII ones do change their faces when dropped; their nostrils flare a lot.
2. Wandering Whomp (talk) Per Doc von Schmeltwick.
3. Pounceshi (talk) Per Doc con Schmeltwick.
4. Camwoodstock (talk) Per Doc Von. These are pretty clearly meant to be the same enemy, just with a redesign between games.
5. Wilben (talk) Per Doc Von.
6. Paradox (talk) I honestly think that these are too similar to be split. And (I know that was a draft) I think if they were split, the articles would be too short to be stand-alone.
7. Sorbetti (talk) Per Doc.
8. I... am R.O.B. (talk) If Thwomps can be covered on one page, so can this.

Comments Land

I disagree with too many oppositions. Should we have an Admin cancel the proposal? GuntherBayBeee 17:55, April 21, 2026 (UTC)

"Proposers can request their proposal be canceled by a wiki staff member after the self-cancellation cutoff, but they must provide a valid reason for doing so. In most cases, the proposal should simply run its course.", rule 21. So, no. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:26, April 21, 2026 (UTC)

Gotta be honest, Gunther, that's a REALLY awful, shallow, and dumb reason to cancel a proposal. I genuinely hope that has nothing to do with why you've recently cancelled your King Koopa proposal... nor with why you've cancelled 20 of your other 87 proposals, for that matter. rend (talk) (edits) 20:36, April 21, 2026 (UTC)

So you want to cancel your proposal because you don't want your proposal to fail, not because you agree with the opposition? Jeez, we were just talking about this... I... am R.O.B. Full set! 21:15, April 22, 2026 (UTC)

Also, to clarify, I'm abstaining from voting, because I can see either way (though probably erring on Oppose if I had to vote). On the one hand, the WL2 weight is quite different-looking from the Pouncer, not only having a different face, but also being made of a different material, and lacking spikes; plus its effect on Wario is rather different, and in some cases, Pouncer behaves rather differently as well. On the other hand, they DO share the same Japanese name, and we've had enemies with different appearances and behaviors before that end up being the same thing. Plus, the different effect on Wario is a natural consequence of Wario Land 2 working differently compared to Wario Land 1 in the first place, anyway. rend (talk) (edits) 20:46, April 21, 2026 (UTC)

@Doc von Schmeltwick @Wandering Poplin @Yoshi18 @Camwoodstock @Wilben @Paradox @Sorbetti @I... am R.O.B. I've got a better idea. How about we just rename the Pouncer page Weight (Wario Land series) instead of just splitting the Pouncer page? GuntherBayBeee 16:25, April 23, 2026 (UTC)

Ignoring the fact that what you're proposing isn't related to the topic of this proposal, so it will require a different proposal... What benefits will this change even bring? Sorbetti (talk) 21:32, April 23, 2026 (UTC)

I think he's proposing this name change as a compromise, because "weight" would technically be the subject's most recent """name""". rend (talk) (edits) 21:42, April 23, 2026 (UTC)

@GuntherBayBeee I feel like "Weight" is too vague. I think we should just keep it as "Pouncer" Paradox (talk) 21:21, April 23, 2026 (UTC)

What's more, judging from the fact that "weight and "block" are phrased in lowercase, one could easily argue that they are "descriptors" rather than proper names.

I would also imagine that Nintendo Power is very likely a lower priority source compared to the game's own instruction manual. Wandering Poplin (talk) 21:35, April 23, 2026 (UTC)