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I'm not very sure about this idea, but it's possible that the small tokens could act like moon shards rather than green stars --[[User:Chompers|Chompers]] ([[User talk:Chompers|talk]]) 18:59, January 12, 2021 (EST) | I'm not very sure about this idea, but it's possible that the small tokens could act like moon shards rather than green stars --[[User:Chompers|Chompers]] ([[User talk:Chompers|talk]]) 18:59, January 12, 2021 (EST) | ||
The tokens are called [[Cat Shine Shard]]s, and they do act more like moon shards. {{User:Bowser64/sig}} | |||
:Keep the timestamp in mind when replying; this was posted before the game came out when we knew little about the game. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:31, April 10, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Bowser's Fury formatting == | == Bowser's Fury formatting == | ||
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== Small Mistake == | == Small Mistake == | ||
In the Locations section it says that you must fight Fury Bowser 6 times in order to beat the game when in reality is only five times. {{unsigned|88.17.224.99}} | In the Locations section it says that you must fight Fury Bowser 6 times in order to beat the game when in reality is only five times. {{unsigned|88.17.224.99}} | ||
Technically it's 6, since [[Giant Bowser]] is the final boss, and (Obviously.) [[Fury Bowser]] is [[Bowser]]. {{User:Bowser64/sig}} | |||
== Springs == | == Springs == | ||
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:"Super Bowser" is what the [[Giant Bowser]] article used to be called, that seems to be where that name came from, which in turn was used by PRIMA games for New Super Mario Bros. Wii. That YouTube channel you linked doesn't seem to be an official one either. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 10:34, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | :"Super Bowser" is what the [[Giant Bowser]] article used to be called, that seems to be where that name came from, which in turn was used by PRIMA games for New Super Mario Bros. Wii. That YouTube channel you linked doesn't seem to be an official one either. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 10:34, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | ||
::''Bowser's Fury'' doesn't have an official soundtrack release right now, and in ''Super Mario 3D World'' the file names usually don't match the actual track names of the soundtrack. For example, the track ''Plessie'' is named ''Redc_bgm_Waiting'' (i.e. the actual name is ''Waiting'', as ''Red Carpet'' is the codename of ''Super Mario 3D World'') and the track ''Victory Parade'' is named ''Redc_bgm_Afterboss''. The track names given in those videos don't fit what is usually found in the file names, so they are likely made up.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:01, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | ::''Bowser's Fury'' doesn't have an official soundtrack release right now, and in ''Super Mario 3D World'' the file names usually don't match the actual track names of the soundtrack. For example, the track ''Plessie'' is named ''Redc_bgm_Waiting'' (i.e. the actual name is ''Waiting'', as ''Red Carpet'' is the codename of ''Super Mario 3D World'') and the track ''Victory Parade'' is named ''Redc_bgm_Afterboss''. The track names given in those videos don't fit what is usually found in the file names, so they are likely made up.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:01, March 18, 2021 (EDT) | ||
Well, the video has the exact same music in the game, so it's not made up. {{User:Bowser64/sig}} | |||
:Yes, but the name is. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:17, April 10, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== minimum amount of lives == | == minimum amount of lives == | ||
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[[File:Furyshadowluigi.png|thumb|The said “Fury Shadow”]] | [[File:Furyshadowluigi.png|thumb|The said “Fury Shadow”]] | ||
It's not a boss, the bosses in the games are in arenas, like for example, [[Boom Boom]] And [[Pom Pom]] | |||
It's not a boss, the bosses in the games are in arenas, like for example, [[Boom Boom]] And [[Pom Pom]]. Fury Shadow reappears through [[Lake Lapcat|The Island,]] like in [[Scamper Shores]], and [[Risky Whisker Island]]. {{User:Bowser64/sig}} | |||
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== [[Toad Brigade]] Locations.== | |||
I think we should add the locations onto where the members of the Toad Brigade are found, like [[Scamper Shores|Captain Toad's Location.]] {{User:Bowser64/sig}} | |||
== Cat enemies redirects == | |||
Since there are no plans to create articles for the cat variations of enemies that appear in Bowser's Fury due to them all being nothing but aesthetic changes, I was thinking would redirects to the Bowser's Fury sections of each enemy article be appropriate? e.g "Cat Boomerang Bro" redirecting to the SM3DW / SM3DW+BF section of the [[Boomerang Bro]] article. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 13:02, May 5, 2021 (EDT) | |||
I think this is a good idea as Cat enemies are technically different enemies despite acting the same. {{User:Matthew aka Mario}} 11:24, May 5, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Is Bowser's theme from Super Mario 3D Land rearranged and/or referenced in this game? == | |||
Good afternoon, everyone, and Moe-st cordial greetings to all of you. As I feel that I need to be taken seriously in the following Moe-tter, I have taken some Moe-dicine to curb my al-Moe-st constantly running Moes. And the Moe-dicine should go into effect... at this... moment! Ah, there. I don't like the taste, but it's worth it to get my point across. | |||
So, a while back I made an edit in the "References to other games" section which stated that the theme which plays when [[Fury Bowser]] appears for the first time on [[Fur Step Island]] is a rearrangement of his chase theme from ''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]''. You know, like, the normal boss theme for [[Tail Bowser]]s. For reference, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g3zpajpoxo this] is that song from ''Super Mario 3D Land'', and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEbHrmr2QNk this] is the music which plays on Fur Step Island when Fury Bowser first appears. Take a listen to both. Do you notice a striking similarity between the two songs' main repeated phrases? Though their notes are different, their tone is identical, and they play at the exact intervals (adjusting for tempo) as each other. I really don't even think I need to explain so much - the near-identical refrains are obvious. The "frontal" melodies are different; covered by tanpura in the former and seemingly by brass instrument(s) in the latter. But the five-note phrase which repeats underneath both songs? Effectively the same. And, let the record show, I'm not the only one to notice. I originally added the trivia because a large number of commenters had said the exact same thing ("This is Bowser's theme from 3D Land!") and, going back to compare them for myself, I agreed. | |||
I'm reasonably confident this is indeed a direct and deliberate reference, but another user removed what I added, commenting on it: "Not really, the rhythm at the beginning is just similar but the notes are different and so is the rest of the theme". Not wanting to start one of the dreaded "edit wars" I've heard of (which, thankfully, I have never partaken in as of yet), I decided to take it to the discussion page instead. I know I'm not infallible, yet I also know that those who correct others aren't infallible themselves. And I don't mean to make this personal in the slightest. I simply believe the most rational course of action to be: Leaving it to others. I simply ask: Is it too apocryphal to link these two similarly-sounding Bowser themes from 3D platformers, only because they're not ''identical''? I'll have to accept it if others deem the songs to be unrelated, but at least the point will have been given a second chance to stand. | |||
One final note: The trivia currently connects [[Boom Boom|Boom Boom's]] boss fight in [[Clawswipe Colosseum]], which takes place on spikes, to one in ''3D Land'' which also takes place on spikes. Any connection here is somewhat weak: Drawn only from vaguely shared circumstances, when, in all likelihood, the spikes were not a deliberate reference on the developers' part to ''3D Land''. With that in mind, if we cannot keep evidence of a much more concrete musical reference in the trivia section, I see no good reason why this point should also stay. If someone can provide a good distinction, I'd be willing to hear it! | |||
Thank you sincerely for reading! I'm always glad to help contribute, however I can, to the Wiki's breadth of accurate infor-Moe-tion. Oh, and the Moe-dicine's worn off. That's fine, of course - I like Moe speaking style. '''- Moses the [[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 18:23, May 12, 2021 (EDT)''' | |||
:The YouTube account that uploaded the Bowser's Fury track was taken down, can you find a different upload of it? Also, I'm in the camp of the Boom Boom battle on spikes not being a reference. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:00, May 12, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::Yes, I Moe-st certainly can (thank you for Moe-ntioning that). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjsCzQWmZKw&list=PLjJC3hyewH5BcqFs_c_ydfgN3vZRAUudt&index=4 Let's try this link instead.] This song begins with an orchestral swell not present in the ''3D Land'' song, but that's not the part I'm calling si-Moe-lar. It's the five-note riff which comes after and repeats. '''-Moses the Moe-sical [[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 22:34, May 12, 2021 (EDT)''' | |||
:::Oh yeah, I definitely hear it. Might want to get a few more opinions on it before adding it back as a reference though. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:45, May 13, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::::I thought it sounded very similar too. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 11:51, May 13, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::::Good to Moe I'm not alone here! Now, is two agree-Moe-nts enough, or should I wait for Moe input? I don't want to be too hasty. "Moe and steady", that's my Moe-tto. '''- Moses the [[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 19:19, May 23, 2021 (EDT)''' | |||
::::::I actually think that Fury Bowser's encounter theme is based on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixA3SzX6uUc the castle theme of ''Super Mario Bros. 3''], if this were the case then the similarities with ''Super Mario 3D Land'' would be due to how that latter game's soundtrack is also based on the soundtrack of ''Super Mario Bros. 3''.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 11:41, May 24, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Mystery pic == | |||
On the News page from the Switch menu, there's a North American region-exclusive article published around March 30, 2021 titled "Uncover a mystery pic from Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury" that has a picture and bio of an enemy from ''Bowser's Fury'', and apparently they're different across different Switch systems. I thought we could check which enemies we got and add the bios to the corresponding profiles and statistics pages/sections (I got Cat Koopa Troopa and added it to its [[List of Koopa Troopa profiles and statistics|page]]). {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:36, May 12, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:Mine's Cat Goomba, I went ahead and added it to the page. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:01, May 13, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::I've switched to the Americas region but I can't find the article. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:18, May 13, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::Sorry, I should've mentioned that you need a North American Nintendo Account connected to view the news; changing the Switch's region unfortunately doesn't work. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:55, May 13, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I added Cat Bully's description - [[User:RHG1951|RHG1951]] ([[User talk:RHG1951|talk]]) 22:40, May 13, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:I added Cat Piranha Plant's. [[User:0blivion|0blivion]] ([[User talk:0blivion|talk]]) 08:37, May 14, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Enemies' projectiles ? == | |||
Should projectiles like [[hammer]]s and [[boomerang]]s be included ? I wouldn't count [[fireball]]s, but these look like they should be included as well. What do you think ?[[User:Giga Cat Weegee|Giga Cat Weegee]] ([[User talk:Giga Cat Weegee|talk]]) 10:02, May 29, 2021 (EDT) | |||
:That would just be going overboard IMO. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 10:28, May 29, 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Cat Shine available before credits == | |||
According to IGN's walkthrough [https://www.ign.com/wikis/super-mario-3d-world/Lake_Lapcat_Cat_Shines], the following 4 [[Cat Shine|Cat Shines]] can be obtained before seeing the credits, so a total of 81 Cat Shines obtainable pre-credits, instead of 77. | |||
*Wasteland Rabbit Plays Tag | |||
*Shining on a Hidden Isle | |||
*Hurry! Slip to the Shine! | |||
*Gazing Down at Lava | |||
[[Special:Contributions/123.203.22.25|123.203.22.25]] 12:39, June 3, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== Finalize the ''Bowser's Fury'' split == | |||
The ''[[Bowser's Fury]]'' article has been split from [[Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury|this article]] per [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/64#Split the "[remake title] + [completely new game title]" games|proposal]], but this article still retains an entire section with all of the ''Bowser's Fury'' info. I guess this section should be trimmed down to a small paragraph with a link to the [[Bowser's Fury|main article]], but how should we handle the "Featured Article" status of [[Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury|this article]]? {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 03:20, January 13, 2024 (EST) | |||