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+==Honeybee==
 Can we move/split this to [[Honeybee]]? Look at this screenshot:
 [[File:SMG2 Letter Honeybee.png|thumb|none|500px]]
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 == Split Yoshi's Story Bee: Attempt 2 ==
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+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-2|split}}
 There was an attempt to split Yoshi's Story bees. First of all, they have a non-generic Japanese name. Second, there [[Frog|there]] [[Jellyfish|are]] [[Clam|other]] enemies based off of real world animals, but these have a non-generic Japanese name.
 I may have missed some points, but you'd add more points about it. Anyone has the Sunshine bee Japanese name? The Yoshi's Story bees being merged here seems pretty bzzzzzzzaffling to me. It' for the big ones.
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-#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} "But different Japanese names" is still not a convincing reason for me to support splitting.
+#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} "But different Japanese names" is still not a convincing reason for me to support splitting. Also, per comments below, this proposal is just going to blanket split everything when it's quite clear that only the big ones probably need to be split if we're going by Japanese names.
 #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Bazooka Mario.
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 ::::::I know fully well it says that. The larger ones are still in groups, just smaller groups.
 ::::::@Baz How about the "holding Yoshi in place by forming a weird hand shape" thing? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:38, 21 January 2019 (EST)
-:::::::@Bazooka Mario, it's less "because different name in Japanese" and more non-generic Japanese name. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:04, 22 January 2019 (EST)
+:::::::@Bazooka Mario and @TheFlameChomp, it's less "because different name in Japanese" and more because non-generic Japanese name, much like the frogs. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:04, 22 January 2019 (EST)
+::::::::To clarify, while sometimes i agree that the Japanese names [[Spear Guy#Names in other languages|are]] [[Relay Heihō#Names in other languages|a]] [[Bouncing Bullet Bill#Names in other languages|moot]] [[Sledge Bro.#Names in other languages|point]], the enemies based off animals in this game don't have a generic Japanese name. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:53, 24 January 2019 (EST)
+:::::::::It is not a good idea to apply blanket changes based on Japanese names. Sometimes, the localizers make a good call too, and our wiki has English readers, not Japanese readers. This whole "Creator's intent" is a substance less argument and just handwaves potential deliberate localization changed and it just doesn't really align with our wiki goals of prioritizing English names. Yeah, the bee will get an identifier, but this is at our expense of the bee article and we also make a small page that might be just an additional step, all over some name being different in a foreign language. Whenever Japanese names should be applicable to splits and merges has always been case by case; that Bee from Wario Land gets a split for unique gameplay function, being a transformation. This, this is just a generic bee in the end. This proposal hasn't made a single argument for splitting beyond different Japanese names, but in my experience, this went against precedent, and so that's why I oppose. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:16, 24 January 2019 (EST)
+::::::::::Admittedly, originally, the wiki relied on localizer's intent, but was later then changed to the creator's intent. You are allowed to vote what seems to be the most appropriate option for you though. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:40, 25 January 2019 (EST)
+[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:FanOfYoshi&curid=258892&diff=2590117&oldid=2589697 Update on this situation]; it should indeed only bee the large buns that should buzz off. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:18, 26 January 2019 (EST)
+:This raises an important question: Does the English name refer to both bees or just the small ones? It comes from a Prima guide, and only one page is cited. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:59, 26 January 2019 (EST)
+::Then the small ones are generic, and shouldn't be split. I kinda feel the "Yoshi's Story" identifier is redudant, as there are 2 different types of bees in this game. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:36, 27 January 2019 (EST)
+== The "Comparable" Species Section ==
+I'm curious as to why all those "comparable" species on the page are only comparable. This page is about the real-world species, right? And if all those comparable species are varieties of bees, then how are they just "comparable" if they are derived from the real-world species? And, another question, how is the ''Yoshi's Story'' [[Bumblebee]] the only variant of the real-world species, if it's the same exact case as all the other "comparable" species? [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 12:42, June 2, 2022 (EDT)
+:Probably a relic of when that was "related." It should probably be changed to "relatives." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:50, June 2, 2022 (EDT)