Talk:Beanerang Bro

Why are they not a mini-boss? You olny enconter them 1 time, I think. (I lost this game and this is what i remimber from it)
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They are standard enemies. Also sign your comments with ~~~ Mario & Luigi

Merge with Boomerang Bro

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It seems these were separated because they look fairly different from the standard appearance of Boomerang Bros., and the names are not exact in every language. For one thing, the original Mario & Luigi spritework noticeably deviated a bit from the norm, so I don't think the thinner, sunglasses-wearing Boomerang Bros. should be separated on that merit (plus, saying that they are Beanish relatives based on the leaves on their helmets is bordering on speculation). Second, there are already plenty of existing articles where alternate foreign names are simply treated as "names in other languages" and noted as being specific to a particular title, so the differing French and Italian names can be identified in parenthesis (as the Spanish names already do in the main article).

Proposer: LinkTheLefty (talk)
Deadline: April 9, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

Support

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) Per proposal.
2. Binarystep (talk) It's pretty obvious it's just a redesign, M&L:SS enemies acted pretty weird compared to their behavior in the main series/other M&L games (see: Cheep Cheeps that grow spikes if jumped on, Dry Bones suddenly being on all fours again, Hammer Bros looking more like Sledge Bros, Piranha Plants being blue, Spinies being green).

Oppose

1. Walkazo (talk) - Per my arguments for splitting the page in the first place and my reasons for opposing the first TPP that tried to merge them back (the next section of that talk page). Having a plant growing out of their heads is a fairly significant departure from normal Boomerang Bros: it's more speculative to say it's "just a helmet" when bare-headed species like Troopeas and Lakipeas also have plants growing out of their heads as their main departures from the classic enemies. That's not the only difference anyway: even the basic build of the species is in direct opposition to M&L:SS's stocky depiction of Hammer Bros., which are typically identical to Boomerang Bros in their shared appearances save for shell colour and weapon choice, yet look nothing like these guys. I don't know why they weren't renamed in English or Japanese, but they do have different names in Spanish, French and Italian, and those PAL translators have the right idea because these guys are just as much separate, Beanish counterparts to the classic Koopa species as the universally renamed enemies.
2. Time Turner (talk) I may have been more inclined to agree if there wasn't a clear standard for what a "normal" Boomerang Bro looks like, but Dream Team clearly establishes that this (i.e. the design that matches every other appearance of the Bro) is what a Boomerang Bro usually looks like in the M&L universe. They have the same name, but different appearances and stats (oh hey, sounds familiar), and that's why I support keeping the articles split.
3. Andymii (talk) In other languages, these Boomerang Bros. have different names, indicating they are very different characters from the normal Boomerang Bro. They appear very different as well. Per Walkazo.
4. LudwigVon (talk) Per all.

Comments

I think this is somewhat of a fringe case, but despite the multiple languages, this seems more like an early (non-English) instance of NoE vs. NoA, and the wiki is otherwise openly slanted towards the latter. When you get down to it, it's basically a Boomerang Bro and is already technically named as such in most versions* (if we count cartridge production [EU territory] over in-game localizations), just redesigned to blend in the Beanbean theme and with no obvious differences between the two outside of outward appearance. The Gritty Goomba and Dry Bones examples listed above have two different variants stemming from the same game, so it's not quite the same thing that's being proposed here. Using the Boomerang Bro enemy from another game in the same sub-series also doesn't quite work out (Pokey, for instance, has mild to moderately different stats in every Paper Mario game) - up to that point, Boomerang Bro only had a major appearance in SMB3, and the usual enemy designs only somewhat recently started becoming a whole lot more standardized for modern titles around the time of NSMB. It makes more sense to split Isle Delfino Yoshis from the Yoshi species because despite identical appearance, they at least have observably different behavior. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

The wiki only goes with NA over PAL when it comes to English article names and that's only because most of the readers and editors are from North America and we want to minimize the number of people inconvenienced by unfamiliar names, and even more importantly, to avoid losing precious search traffic to Wikipedia or Wikias using the more popular names. In all other respects, they're on equal footing, and this isn't a matter of which English name to use, so what or how many regions called them one thing or another doesn't matter: what matters is presenting the material that makes the most logical sense given all the facts. No other enemy was given plant themes in order to fit in without also being given a name change: the Hammer Bros that appear in the same game certainly weren't Beanified. Perhaps the English and Japanese namers forgot that "Boomerang Bro." was already a thing (due to it being an old one-off enemy at the time) and merely thought the name was enough of a departure from the normal Hammer Bros. like how the un-legumey "Limbo Bro", "Chomp Bro" and "Yo Bro" names were perfectly unique for the other three Beanish Hammer Bros. Of course, we'll never know the real reason why for sure, but we don't have to know or even speculate about it, because the enemy's appearance and the context of all the other Beanish Koopas is more than enough cold hard facts to go on. - Walkazo 19:08, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

I've got to admit, I hadn't considered that the possibility of the reason for the different style being lack of research on the part of the design team... then again, I'm not sure that's too likely an explanation since Tanoombas also exist and are obviously a reference to SMB3 (or they could've stopped playing after the first level or something)... Okay, so looking at the subject more closely, they can appear alongside red Elite Troopeas, and have a similar palette as purple overworld Troopeas. Limbo Bros., who don't appear in the same areas, also share the same shell color, so that can support the "they're Beanbean cousins" hypothesis... However, on the flip side, many other entirely unrelated enemies also share overall similar palettes as these shell colors, so it could just as easily be coincidence as a result of reusing resources. It's also impossible to tell from the sprites alone if the leaves are part of the uniform or their head like Troopeas and apparently the tribal-looking Limbo Bro, but I'm assuming it's not actually growing out of their skull given the helmets are visibly taller than a Koopa's usual head shape (that, and it invites questions about the color-coded flags sticking on the top of the Border Bros.). LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:55, 26 March 2015 (EDT)