Category talk:Music

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Would it be a good idea to also have categories for instrumental music, themes or songs, as well as vocal music/themes/songs? I can see someone wanting to differentiate the Super Mario Bros. Ground theme, a completely instrumental track, from songs with vocals and lyrics like DK Rap or Jump Up, Super Star. {{User:Arend/sig}} 19:37, July 27, 2023 (EDT)

:It seems kind of like an arbitrary thing to differentiate by. You'd be surprised by how fuzzy the line can be, too: ''[[DDR: Mario Mix]]'' alone has [[Always Smiling]], a song with lyrics that aren't officially known; [[Hammer Dance]], a song with constant vocal interjections but no real lyrics; and [[Pipe Pop]], a song with a rap break that is completely unintelligible and probably on purpose. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 21:27, July 27, 2023 (EDT)

::If the lyrics of Always Smiling ''can'' be heard and transcribed, then I don't understand why the lyrics "not being officially known" is an issue. Even if there's a rule that all song transcriptions ''have'' to be officially released, Always Smiling is still clearly a vocal song with lyrics. I do agree that the other two songs are a bit more blurry, but I suppose that Pipe Pop still could count as a Vocal song despite the unintelligibility, same goes for Hammer Dance despite only having interjections (wonder if that is a form of sampling?)<br>All in all, I don't really see why the two categories ''need'' to be merged, when renaming the categories to something like {{fake link|Category:Instrumental themes}} and {{fake link|Category:Vocal songs}}, and/or {{fake link|Category:Lyrical songs}} if necessary (could replace "themes" and "songs" with each other or "music") is just as viable of a solution, and your objections against keeping them split sounds like you're overthinking the issue. It's basically like [[Category talk:Musical themes#Oppose|the general opposition of your prior cancelled proposal]] says. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:18, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

I'm undecided on the proposal itself, but I would disagree that [[Paah]] does not belong in the musical category as it is arguably a short musical phrase in its own right (as part of a song). It does feel a little awkward for it to remain in the main category as it is, though. [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]] ([[User talk:Pseudo|talk]]) 20:07, July 27, 2023 (EDT)

:And as the proposal states, the new category is for music, not music-related things. The better-fitting game mechanics category for paah works fine. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:07, July 27, 2023 (EDT)

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 Would it be a good idea to also have categories for instrumental music, themes or songs, as well as vocal music/themes/songs? I can see someone wanting to differentiate the Super Mario Bros. Ground theme, a completely instrumental track, from songs with vocals and lyrics like DK Rap or Jump Up, Super Star. {{User:Arend/sig}} 19:37, July 27, 2023 (EDT)
 :It seems kind of like an arbitrary thing to differentiate by. You'd be surprised by how fuzzy the line can be, too: ''[[DDR: Mario Mix]]'' alone has [[Always Smiling]], a song with lyrics that aren't officially known; [[Hammer Dance]], a song with constant vocal interjections but no real lyrics; and [[Pipe Pop]], a song with a rap break that is completely unintelligible and probably on purpose. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 21:27, July 27, 2023 (EDT)
+::If the lyrics of Always Smiling ''can'' be heard and transcribed, then I don't understand why the lyrics "not being officially known" is an issue. Even if there's a rule that all song transcriptions ''have'' to be officially released, Always Smiling is still clearly a vocal song with lyrics. I do agree that the other two songs are a bit more blurry, but I suppose that Pipe Pop still could count as a Vocal song despite the unintelligibility, same goes for Hammer Dance despite only having interjections (wonder if that is a form of sampling?)<br>All in all, I don't really see why the two categories ''need'' to be merged, when renaming the categories to something like {{fake link|Category:Instrumental themes}} and {{fake link|Category:Vocal songs}}, and/or {{fake link|Category:Lyrical songs}} if necessary (could replace "themes" and "songs" with each other or "music") is just as viable of a solution, and your objections against keeping them split sounds like you're overthinking the issue. It's basically like [[Category talk:Musical themes#Oppose|the general opposition of your prior cancelled proposal]] says. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:18, August 2, 2023 (EDT)
 I'm undecided on the proposal itself, but I would disagree that [[Paah]] does not belong in the musical category as it is arguably a short musical phrase in its own right (as part of a song). It does feel a little awkward for it to remain in the main category as it is, though. [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]] ([[User talk:Pseudo|talk]]) 20:07, July 27, 2023 (EDT)
 :And as the proposal states, the new category is for music, not music-related things. The better-fitting game mechanics category for paah works fine. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:07, July 27, 2023 (EDT)