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Why are these MK-related items (Red Homing Shell, Green Shell, Blue Shell) under a section of Koopa Troopa? Those are items that should have their own pages. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 15:25, 31 August 2006 (EDT) | Why are these MK-related items (Red Homing Shell, Green Shell, Blue Shell) under a section of Koopa Troopa? Those are items that should have their own pages. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 15:25, 31 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
:Long ago, in the early days of this Wiki, some users decided that it would be better to place info of items related to species in the articles. Those days should end now. I think we should seperate the items from the species page. They are related, but both are distinct enough to have their own pages. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | :Long ago, in the early days of this Wiki, some users decided that it would be better to place info of items related to species in the articles. Those days should end now. I think we should seperate the items from the species page. They are related, but both are distinct enough to have their own pages. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ||
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:::I checked the manuals for the American, Australian, and European releases, and found nothing. '''However''', I believe it's possible it came from a guide like a Nintendo Player's guide or a Prima guide, if the game has one. The (ridiculous) situation regarding [[Porcupine]] being called "Spiny" on this wiki for a long time despite what the manual says may also come from this sort of thing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:03, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | :::I checked the manuals for the American, Australian, and European releases, and found nothing. '''However''', I believe it's possible it came from a guide like a Nintendo Player's guide or a Prima guide, if the game has one. The (ridiculous) situation regarding [[Porcupine]] being called "Spiny" on this wiki for a long time despite what the manual says may also come from this sort of thing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:03, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
::::Can anyone check the [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/3/3c/Prima_Guide-N64_Secrets.jpg Prima's ''Nintendo 64 Game Secrets'']? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:56, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | ::::Can anyone check the [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/3/3c/Prima_Guide-N64_Secrets.jpg Prima's ''Nintendo 64 Game Secrets'']? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:56, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
:::::I know {{user|Time Turner}} had that book, but he seems to have become inactive on here recently. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:00, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::::On the Discord, he disconfirmed it. I consider the entire thing bunk. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:20, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Nintendo Player's Guide remains a potential source, though, if it exists, unless that's the "Nintendo Power" source Alex was talking about. Until all of that is examined, I think we should just not say anything on the subject. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:43, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::@Doc About the Porcupines, they were called "Spinys" in the [https://web.archive.org/web/19980224193815/http://www.nintendo.com:80/n64/mario_kart64/yoshi.html MK64 website].<br>--[[User:PhGuy12|PhGuy12]] ([[User talk:PhGuy12|talk]]) 16:38, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | :::@Doc About the Porcupines, they were called "Spinys" in the [https://web.archive.org/web/19980224193815/http://www.nintendo.com:80/n64/mario_kart64/yoshi.html MK64 website].<br>--[[User:PhGuy12|PhGuy12]] ([[User talk:PhGuy12|talk]]) 16:38, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
::::Hm. Strange. I was a tad peeved at the time as the only source I even knew | ::::Hm. Strange. I was a tad peeved at the time as the only source I even knew ''about'' them back in the day was the MK64 instruction manual, which I had read at a cousin's house. Suppose the alternate sourced name should be added to the Porcupine page. EDIT: I see that's already been done. Good. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:55, 4 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
Well, more than two years later, I inadvertently found the source: [https://datassette.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/revistas/nintendo_power_094_-_marco_1997.pdf Nintendo Power magazine vol. 94] (page 114), which included detachable cards about each of the eight characters in the game. There is no mention of the kart being painted purple, though.<br>--[[User:PhGuy12|PhGuy12]] ([[User talk:PhGuy12|talk]]) 15:18, November 30, 2020 (EST) | |||
:Sounds more like a humorous statement at the lack of Koopa Troopa than something that is actually "canon" to Mario Kart 64. But it works. | |||
:Also "Suspected of distributing counterfeit item cubes", Yoshi doesn't just evade taxes, he does forgery! {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:22, November 30, 2020 (EST) | |||
::Could those be added to the official profiles pages? I can't recall if normal NP was an official subsidiary of NoA or not.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:34, November 30, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::I think the kart being painted purple is an inference. If Wario has stolen its kart, then it's fair to assume he's using the kart he has stolen and, well, the kart is purple. I left it out. In the meantime, I think it should be added to other characters' bios and such, why not. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:42, November 30, 2020 (EST) | |||
==Electro-Koopa== | |||
I also think that Electro-Koopas should be delisted as derived species of Koopa Troopas. They're just too different to be considered subspecies. They should be listed under [[Koopa (species)]] derived species instead. Design-wise, electro-koopas are more different from Koopa Troopas than [[Boom Boom]]s are from [[Bowser]] and [[Chargin' Chuck]]. - [[User:Electric-Gecko|Electric-Gecko]] ([[User talk:Electric-Gecko|talk]]) 18:16, 31 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Well, you have [[Koopeleon]], [[Bombshell Koopa]], and [[Snooza Koopa]] categorized under Koopa Troopa. I think the Electro-Koopas look more similar to Koopa Troopas than the other creatures that have "Koopa" in their name (Spike Koopa). I think the similarity is close enough to be considered a derived species of Koopa Troopa. Finally, [https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_42#Stop_using_the_term_.22sub-species.22_on_the_wiki we've retired the use of "sub-species" in the wiki], so I recommend against using it. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 18:23, 31 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:They have Nokonoko in their Japanese name. They are a variant of Nokonoko. Nokonoko is Koopa Troopa. Ergo, they are a derivative of Troopa specifically. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:23, 31 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
== I just added info about how the koopas dance to the music == | |||
If you were wondering when the koopa troopas dance, they dance to the electronic vocal riffs, or as some might call it, "BAHs" in the theme song. | |||
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:It was already in the relevant ''NSMB'' sections, but thanks for trying :) {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:28, February 12, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Mario Clash == | |||
Can someone please add Koopa Troopa's sprites from Mario Clash. I can't find them anywhere. [[User:I'manumber1|I'manumber1]] ([[User talk:I'manumber1|talk]]) 22:49, November 8, 2021 (EST) | |||
== SMW Koopa Troopa speed == | |||
Since 2009, this page has asserted that blue and yellow koopas in ''Super Mario World'' are faster than red and green koopas respectively. However, ''[[Mario Mania]]'' page 102 declares the opposite. It claims they are slower than the reds and greens. These competing claims must be resolved. The [[Beach Koopa]] page also has a similar claim that must be checked. If found erroneous, the main SMW page will also have to be edited.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:24, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Is there a level in the game where we can see these multiple colored Koopas at the same time? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:39, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::One of the (secret?) levels in Donut Plains does IIRC. I also recall blue and yellow indeed being faster. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:23, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::Can you verify with a video of any sort if anyone got some time to spare? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:43, July 25, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::::Here you go, video proof that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GOXEydMCxo Blue and Yellow Koopas are faster]. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 17:11, September 10, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Water creatures == | |||
I know these categories have been going under enemies who have been using these elements in some way, but in this case, this is going too far. Currently, Koopa Troopas have been grouped under "water creatures" for water forming around them in a tennis game, and looking at the Puzzle and Dragons section only the green Koopa Troopas use water element and red Koopa Troopas use fire element, and we are not using a fire creatures category for this article. Bowser uses poison-based attacks in RPG games which to my view holds a lot more credibility than tennis games. It will also be confusing for readers who see that Koopa Troopas are grouped under "water creatures" only because of an obscure tennis move. Therefore, I still strongly think the category should have no place here. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:22, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:Bowser to me is just not viewed as a character of poison element, not from general perception of him to his character bios nowhere near his association with fire. Even in Bowser's case, those attacks are still relatively cryptic. The categories in [[:Category:Elemental creatures]], including the whole [[:Category:Fire creatures]] (such as me raising an eyebrow at Magikoopa being classified as a fire creature and not Mario divorced from his Fire form) and these other kind of elemental categories do need to be looked into more. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:04, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::Each of those categories are described as "Various species [...] '''that are composed of some sort of element''', or can produce or manipulate such an element." My solution to this would be to enforce the first half of the description for these categories, since those are much more universal aspects of those characters across most of their appearances. We should simply heavily discourage or outright remove the second half of that description. It is vague at best and invites subjective nitpicking as to what is enough to qualify for it, which is what resulted in this recent wave of edits and debates. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 16:29, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::I can agree to such a proposal. It'd deal with those irksome instances of subjects being in the elemental creatures categories because of one-off appearances--e.g. [[Boo]]s and [[Mini Goomba]]s in [[:Category:Electrical creatures]] and [[:Category:Poisonous creatures]] respectively because of ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]''. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 17:18, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::::I wanna point out that until a proposal from a few years back, habitat also qualified for it (ie, penguins were considered "ice creatures" by default). I think the current system is fine, but may need a bit more scrutiny. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:39, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||