Editing Talk:Tox Box

So, are these things alive? [[User:Binks|Binks]] 22:33, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
:They're animate. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 22:41, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Are the Thwomp versions officially named Tox Boxes?  If so, no problem.  If not, we may want to consider splitting the article into a new page, even if it has a conjectural name. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} P.S. "Thwomp Box"...perhaps?

Thwomp versions? The Super Mario Galaxy Boxes are the same as the SM64 boxes. Just updated to have a more distinct look. I don't have sources for that statement though. {{User:Geniusguy445/sig}} 17:24, 6 January 2013 (EST)

"Their name may be intended to sound like 'Toy Box'"? What significance does this "trivia" entry have? I know people commonly mistake "Tox Box" for "Toy Box" upon first reading it, but if these things are toy boxes, they belong in ''Yume Nikki'' or some other surreal game of the sort. This item of trivia has no support or relevance to me, so should it be removed? [[User:8BrickMario]]

== Potential replacement? ==
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I'm not actually suggesting a split, but isn't the SMG one a replacement of the original one? Yes, i know that some returning enemies are off-model, but the two don't even look similar. Well, for the Bomp, it is not drastic either, as the Throwback Galaxy uses it as the Pushy Walls. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:28, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:The design was replaced, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the trivia previously suggesting that the enemy itself was replaced. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:13, 28 February 2019 (EST)
::Regarding the Bomp, it does look similar, and like i said, the Throwback Galaxy (which is based on Bob Omb Battlefield) used them as the Pushy Walls, so they can stay merged. (perhaps asking to Nintendo would settle thing, but i think it is a dumb idea) --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:23, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:::What do the Prima guides say about them? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:31, 28 February 2019 (EST)
::::They are called Tox Boxes in the SMG2 Prima guide. [[User:TheDarkStar|TheDarkStar]] ([[User talk:TheDarkStar|talk]]) 13:33, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:::::Also called Tox Boxes on the SMG collector's card for them. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:03, 28 February 2019 (EST)
::::::As the ''SMG'' and ''SMG2'' Tox Boxes are called Tox Boxes they are definitely the same enemies as the Tox Boxes in ''SM64'', they just got redesigned. (Them having different names in different game sections in the ''Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guidebook '' is most likely an error due to their different designs, as the Tox Boxes in both games act the same). {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 14:29, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::That said, I do wonder which version was used by Shigeru Miyamoto in [http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06/27/e3-2017-shigeru-miyamoto-and-the-legacy-of-mario that interview] (it could even have been the nondescript "Onimasu"). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:36, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::@Doomhiker Not necessarily, remember the situation with [[Tweester]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:47, 28 February 2019 (EST)
::::::::@Doc von Schmeltwick True, however one of the main reasons the Tweesters were split is because they had different functions, while these Tox Boxes act exactly the same. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 14:50, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::::Not "exactly," but admittedly much more similar than the Tweesters. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:53, 28 February 2019 (EST)
::::::::::[[media:SMP page 58-59 excerpt.jpg|I've found a scan of two Super Mario Pia pages]], and which supports them being separate enemies, note how it doesn't list it in SM64, while they are only listed in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2, supporting them being different enemies, and that the Super Mario Galaxy ones are used as replacement, so this might be a factor for splitting. I considered to ask to Mister Wu, but eventually found scans. I might ask Mister Wu something else for the Pia. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:39, 1 March 2019 (EST)
:::::::::::Also, it's for the same reason we have [[Rhomp]] split from [[Spindel]]. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:36, 3 March 2019 (EST)
::::::::::::Asked to Mister Wu for the Bomps as well. Onimasukun isn' mentioned. Exactly the same case for Bomp. It might indicate that the Throwback Galaxy used them as a replacement rather than a redesign (unlike Spiked Fun Guy which has the same Japanese name as Pokey). --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:03, 4 March 2019 (EST)
:::::::::::::He also specifically told you that due to many similar cases (namely the "big" enemies), that the author was very likely just given the current names to work with without Nintendo giving knowledge of name changes. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:35, 4 March 2019 (EST)
::::::::::::::Like i said, they look nothing alike. The Urchins do have a different appearance and Japanese name in this game, but it is not drastic either. The two Tox Boxes don't even look similar. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:30, March 12, 2019 (EDT)
{{multiframe|[[File:Sum64dstoxbox.png|150px]][[File:Tox Box SMG.png|150px]]|align=center}} Do they even look similar? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:30, March 13, 2019 (EDT)
:There are some one-off similarities, at least if you're observant enough to spot them. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:22, March 13, 2019 (EDT)
::The only similarity between the two is that they are boxes with faces on each side within one Mario can go in. Otherwise, they don't even look similar. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:59, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::They act the same, though, aside from the latter one doing a slight hop before backtracking. They seem to be more a comprehensive redesign with a slight name change to have theme naming with Thwomp than a true "replacement." Besides, "they look nothing alike" isn't an outstanding argument by itself when there are some very odd redesigns in the franchise. Just look at what Thwomp, Cheep Cheep, and Pokey have been through, to say nothing of the ''Sunshine'' versions of enemies in general. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:33, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
::::I wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. About that and Bomps. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:21, March 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, admittedly, there are pretty odd redesign in the series. (i will however note that some depiction of one and the same enemy, Chain Chomp, is in some games depicted without a chain, where it is called Chomp. Also, given the Japanese name, it makes the Flutter just considered to be the base Wiggler with just wings in Japan) --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:18, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Please don't topic change. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:20, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Actually, i'm not trying to be off-topic, you actually mentioned the odd redesigns in the series. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:21, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::That's more a temporary retool, as there are significant behavioral differences as well. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:26, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, i guess you're right. Still, i wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:34, March 19, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::In fairness, the mistakes in ''Super Mario Pia'' tend to be in the list of appearances, not in entirely splitting enemy entries. They were competent enough to detect at least [[:File:SMP Sledge Bro.png|one]] name change. Although if the article splits, then we need to find out which Tox Box is applicable to Miyamoto's quote. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:02, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
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 == Potential replacement? ==
+{{talk}}
 I'm not actually suggesting a split, but isn't the SMG one a replacement of the original one? Yes, i know that some returning enemies are off-model, but the two don't even look similar. Well, for the Bomp, it is not drastic either, as the Throwback Galaxy uses it as the Pushy Walls. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:28, 28 February 2019 (EST)
 :The design was replaced, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the trivia previously suggesting that the enemy itself was replaced. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:13, 28 February 2019 (EST)
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 :::::::::Yeah, i guess you're right. Still, i wonder what would Mister Wu think about it. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:34, March 19, 2019 (EDT)
 ::::::::::In fairness, the mistakes in ''Super Mario Pia'' tend to be in the list of appearances, not in entirely splitting enemy entries. They were competent enough to detect at least [[:File:SMP Sledge Bro.png|one]] name change. Although if the article splits, then we need to find out which Tox Box is applicable to Miyamoto's quote. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:02, March 20, 2019 (EDT)
-:::::::::::I think it is that Nintendo wanted to make them look like their SMG counterpart but... there is just so much you could do back then! {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 17:31, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
-== Another way to die from a Tox Box in SMG ==
-In SMG (Idk if that's present in SMG2), you can instantly die if you go on top of a Tox Box: https://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/693037465832947712/in-super-mario-galaxy-the-code-that-determines-if
-Should that be added in Super Mario Galaxy along with a reference link?[[User:ToadMushroom823|ToadMushroom823]] ([[User talk:ToadMushroom823|talk]])
-:Seems like you have to be on top of it during a particular animation. I assume from the image is that you have to be on top while the Tox Box hops? {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:44, April 19, 2023 (EDT)