Editing Talk:Scuttlebug

== Offical Artwork? ==
Is there any offical artwork we could put instead of the scuttle bug's stand?
Just asking.
We could make the article look better if there was offical artwork.
If you find any offical artwork, post it here and I'll put it onto the article.
{{User:Superfiremario/Sig}}

== The Gold Scuttle Bug ==

Should we make a page for the Golden Scuttle Bug, which appear in a minigame in Mario Party DS ? It can seems stupid but, look: almost all the golden version of normal enemies have a page: http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=gold&go=Go
[[User:Fire-Luigi|Fire-Luigi]] 06:20, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

==Klamber's Name==

Even though "Klamber" is listed as "Scuttle Bug" in the Nintendo Power guide, he's still technically a different enemy. His name is カサカサ (Kasakasa) in Japan. [[User:Vent|Vent]] ([[User talk:Vent|talk]]) 15:23, 10 August 2012 (EDT)

:Then it should get a different article. {{User|Raven Effect}}

==Spoing and Sprangler==

Who decided they were Scuttle Bugs? Not only are they not named "Scuttle Bug" in the only existing English guide, their names in Japan are バネグモ (Banegumo) and ツリグモ (Tsurigumo). [[User:Vent|Vent]] ([[User talk:Vent|talk]]) 15:30, 10 August 2012 (EDT)

==This article is a mess.==
Cmon guys, just because they are all spiders doesn't mean they are the same thing. That is like shoving goombas, toads, and super mushrooms into one article e_e

{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

==Split Spoing, Sprangler and Klamber from Scuttle Bug==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-0-0-0|split into separate articles}}
I was looking around the wiki when I noticed Vent's comment above: Spoings and Spranglers are not named Scuttle Bug in either the English or Japanese guide versions, which indicates that they are both separate enemies, regardless of appearances. The other comment he made was that Scuttle Bug/Klamber(currently Scuttle Bug due to naming priority policies) was named differently in Japan. Even though I believe that the English name takes priority over the Japanese name, I figured: "Why not just kill two birds with one stone?" I'm suggesting 4 courses of action here:
1.Split Both(Spoing/Sprangler into one article, Klamber into another)
2.Split Spoing and Sprangler Only
3.Split Kalmber Only
4.Do Not Split

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Vommack}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 3, 2012 23:59 (UTC) 

===Split Both===
#{{user|Glowsquid}} - see comment below.
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per Glowsquid.
#{{User|Vommack}} Per Glowsquid.
#{{User|MarioManiac164}} Per all.
#{{User|Yoshi K}} [[Goomba|This article]] and [[Goomba (Super Mario World)|this article]] are split, why not these?

===Split Spoing and Sprangler Only===

===Split Klamber Only===

===Do Not Split===

===Comments===

"in the case of Klamber, the NA Nintendo Power guide takes priority over the Japanese guide(I believe-if I'm mistaken, please correct me.) "

If a creature has a different name in the Jp script and looks/act reasonably different, they get a separate page even if the English name is the same (ex: [[Goomba (Super Mario World)]]). I feel the SMS "scuttle bug"  looks and acts differently enough to be one of those cases. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 23:16, 20 October 2012 (EDT)
:Alright, thanks for clearing that up. I'll change my vote.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 12:39, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

The only thing that I'm wondering about is the name of the page for the Klmaber/SMS Scuttle Bug. My guess is that it's name would be Scuttle Bug(SMS), based off its official NA name.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 16:17, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

I'm withdrawing my vote for the time being, as I want to clear up some concerns first.

#Why are you splitting Sproing and Sprangler into a combined article? If they're both officially named, don't they both deserve an article?
#As pointed out by Vommack above, the article concerning the Klamber will be named Scuttle Bug (Super Mario Sunshine), not Klamber, correct? That would be right by the Naming Policy. -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] ([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]]) 16:58, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
:The SMS Scuttle Bug(That's it, that's what I'm calling it from here on out, whether you like it or not) should be called that, yes, and if that's what it takes, I think we can get Sproing and Sprangler separate articles.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 17:03, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

If ''any'' official name's different in ''any'' language, that gives us grounds to split something based on appearance, behaviour and/or ability differences between it and whatever subject it's currently grouped with. In this case, all three species have different names in ''both'' English and Japanese, and they all look different, so they should ''all'' get separate pages. Klamber's a teeny bit complicated because different guides say different things, but like translation conflicts, we should go with the guide that makes more sense, and that's Prima, although [[MarioWiki:Article naming#Acceptable_Sources_for_Naming|the naming policy]] states that Nintendo Power gets priority for the title, making the new page "[[Scuttle Bug (Super Mario Sunshine)]]" (as others suggested already). [[Spoing]] and [[Sprangler]] are more straightforward: just move the info to the existing redirects; they should ''not'' be given one page to share because they're just as different from each other as from regular Scuttle Bugs, which is why I'm just commenting here, not supporting the faulty "Split Both" option. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:26, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
:Scuttle Bug (Super Mario Sushine) is a definite, and since wiki policy requires it, I/we/whoever-it-comes-down-to will put the Spoing and Sprangler info on the redirects(addressed above, albeit briefly). --[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 21:18, 28 October 2012 (EDT)

==Soooooo...==
Since Spoing and Sprangler the above were voted to be split, but never were split, should they be able to be split without a new proposal? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:14, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
:Unless the opinion in the community has changed they should still be split. {{User|Chester Alan Arthur}}
::As far as I know, nobody's ever discussed the issue since then, so they definitely should be split. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 00:29, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

== Regarding this and [[Skeeter]]'s relationship ==

As far as SM64 goes, on land, Scuttle Bug and Skeeter are essentially a reskin. While I don't know what would happen if one were to artificially spawn a Scuttle Bug onto water (that's for one of you speedsters or modsters to try), for gameplay purposes in that game, Skeeter is an aquatic variety of Scuttle Bug. Scuttle Bug's analogue in ''Sunshine'', [[Klamber]], also very closely resembles the Skeeters in its game in appearance (note the eye structure and various lines) and odd durability. I suppose what I'm saying is that from what I can tell, Skeeter, Klamber, and those two ''Galaxy'' spiders all appear to be derivative of Scuttlebug here rather than just similar. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:10, May 5, 2024 (EDT)
:Or I could just look at the decompilation. Skeeters seem to have code specifically to check whether they are on land or on the ground, changing their behavior accordingly. Scuttlebugs have nothing of the sort. And according to Ukikipedia, Skeeters have 1200 buoyancy and Scuttlebugs have only 2. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:53, February 21, 2025 (EST)
:They are clearly both ballish arthropods with suction-cup feet. I don't know enough about the design philosophy of the people that made it to decipher if this means they are supposed to be viewed as very closely related species, because for the game itself, I would not feel comfortable to assert that Skeeters are essentially Scuttlebugs, but in water. I don't think they are. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 19:16, February 21, 2025 (EST)
::Also, per our previous conversation, I do not think we have the grounds to assert whether Sproing and Sprangler are supposed to be related to Scuttlebugs. Across generations of media, cartoon spiders have ballish bodies with silly legs and little eyes, so I do not see anything in their design that tells me it is supposed to be aligned with Scuttlebugs. Neither Sproing or Sprangler in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' exhibit the same behavior as Scuttlebugs in ''Super Mario 64'' or even divergent behavior, which one may expect for something that was designed with the intent of being related. (''New Super Mario Bros.'', in which Scuttlebugs hang from webs somewhat comparably to Spranglers, was developed independently by a different team from ''Galaxy'' - plus hanging from webs is not a particularly remarkable trait for a spider enemy to exhibit.) So, in lieu of the developers or a piece of licensed, well-made media asserting otherwise, I would not think it would be accurate or us to assert that Sproings or Spranglers are related to Scuttlebugs, in the same way I would not say [[Uproot]] was supposed to be seen as a relative of [[Pokey]]s. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 19:26, February 21, 2025 (EST)
:::I see Spoing's hopping as derivative of Scuttle Bug jumping out of pits in SM64, and in all respects they're a lot more similar than [[Klamber]] is to either, yet it gets to be listed as a relative while the others are stuck in the "comparable" section. There's no explicit confirmation that [[Monty|these moles]] are based on [[Rocky Wrench]] aside from a re-localization from years later, but given they look and act nearly identical, I'd say it goes without saying, and the spiders are in the same boat. For the example you gave, Uproot'd make more sense to try and compare to Bramball than Pokey, IMO. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:45, February 21, 2025 (EST)
::::That's a really strange comparison. "Mole (or mole-like turtle as the case may be) that throws wrenches" is a lot more unique a concept than "spider that jumps". Super Mario 64 didn't invent jumping spiders. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 08:20, February 22, 2025 (EST)
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 :::I see Spoing's hopping as derivative of Scuttle Bug jumping out of pits in SM64, and in all respects they're a lot more similar than [[Klamber]] is to either, yet it gets to be listed as a relative while the others are stuck in the "comparable" section. There's no explicit confirmation that [[Monty|these moles]] are based on [[Rocky Wrench]] aside from a re-localization from years later, but given they look and act nearly identical, I'd say it goes without saying, and the spiders are in the same boat. For the example you gave, Uproot'd make more sense to try and compare to Bramball than Pokey, IMO. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:45, February 21, 2025 (EST)
 ::::That's a really strange comparison. "Mole (or mole-like turtle as the case may be) that throws wrenches" is a lot more unique a concept than "spider that jumps". Super Mario 64 didn't invent jumping spiders. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 08:20, February 22, 2025 (EST)
-==Cover image should be updated to Dr. Mario World's artwork==
-I think the cover image should be updated despite [[Dr. Mario World#Only use in-game artwork in infoboxes as a last resort|the proposal]], since both the DMW and [[Super Mario Run]] artwork are only seen in-game and the former is of higher quality. [[User:TomAndTheCats|TomAndTheCats]] ([[User talk:TomAndTheCats|talk]]) 18:51, May 18, 2025 (EDT)