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So, the argument is they have the same Japanese name. Why, let's just re-merge the Ice Snifits from ML:SS and Yoshi's Wooly World because they have the same Japanese name despite having different appearances and attacks. The Mario Portal is very untrustworthy because several of its names come directly from us (Ant, Whimp, Sewer Rat) and let's not forget that the Pirahna Plant trophy used Ghost instead of Polterpirahna most likely because it was easier. No way Jose because again, the two plants have COMPLETELY different appearances and attacks. Like Mario said, you can just rename this to Frost Pirahna or something instead of making an entire proposal because of the Japanese names. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 10:03, April 29, 2023 (EDT) | So, the argument is they have the same Japanese name. Why, let's just re-merge the Ice Snifits from ML:SS and Yoshi's Wooly World because they have the same Japanese name despite having different appearances and attacks. The Mario Portal is very untrustworthy because several of its names come directly from us (Ant, Whimp, Sewer Rat) and let's not forget that the Pirahna Plant trophy used Ghost instead of Polterpirahna most likely because it was easier. No way Jose because again, the two plants have COMPLETELY different appearances and attacks. Like Mario said, you can just rename this to Frost Pirahna or something instead of making an entire proposal because of the Japanese names. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 10:03, April 29, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:Its distinct appearance and slightly different function are completely meaningless in the context of this franchise. There's been a lot of enemies that have gone through significant redesigns in appearance and function that we still keep merged, because they still have the same identity (off the top of my head, there's [[Bully]] before SM3DW, [[Tox Box]] in SM64, [[Skeeter]] in all of its appearances, [[Pokey]] in almost every game pre-NSMBW, [[Thwomp]] in the early Mario Kart games and the N64 era, [[Bull's-Eye Bill]] in SMB3, [[Whomp]] in their original appearances, [[Maw-Ray]] prior to SMO, etc.). How is this creature different from any of those redesigns, especially when [[Fire Piranha Plant]] had a significantly different color in SM3DL? Plus, enemies in the Paper Mario series almost always had distinct designs in the original 3 games (again, this situation perfectly compares to the [[Para-Beetle|Parabuzzy and Para-Beetle]] merge), such as Bullet Bills being stationary in battle, or Goombas having a headbonk attack, or being the only time where Bob-ombs don't die after exploding, or changing the color of [[Spike Top]] to be | :Its distinct appearance and slightly different function are completely meaningless in the context of this franchise. There's been a lot of enemies that have gone through significant redesigns in appearance and function that we still keep merged, because they still have the same identity (off the top of my head, there's [[Bully]] before SM3DW, [[Tox Box]] in SM64, [[Skeeter]] in all of its appearances, [[Pokey]] in almost every game pre-NSMBW, [[Thwomp]] in the early Mario Kart games and the N64 era, [[Bull's-Eye Bill]] in SMB3, [[Whomp]] in their original appearances, [[Maw-Ray]] prior to SMO, etc.). How is this creature different from any of those redesigns, especially when [[Fire Piranha Plant]] had a significantly different color in SM3DL? Plus, enemies in the Paper Mario series almost always had distinct designs in the original 3 games (again, this situation perfectly compares to the [[Para-Beetle|Parabuzzy and Para-Beetle]] merge), such as Bullet Bills being stationary in battle, or Goombas having a headbonk attack, or being the only time where Bob-ombs don't die after exploding, or changing the color of [[Spike Top]] to be Red, and so much more. How is this situation different from any of those? Plus, if we're willing to keep this split based solely on appearance and slight function, then we should be willing to split the two distinct [[Yoshi's Island (location)|Yoshi's Islands]] from each other, since they are completely different locations, yet the opposition for this merge also opposes that split. May I ask why that is the case? {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 10:17, April 29, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:The ''Land 2'' names do seem to be taken from the wiki, but that's a game where most of the enemies don't really have official names. It makes sense to me that, for a game like NSMBU, they would be more likely to have access to official names for the game's characters. The ''Sunshine'' situation makes it look that way, at least. (Also, the Ice Snifits don't have the same Japanese name. It's the English name that is the same.) [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 10:24, April 29, 2023 (EDT) | :The ''Land 2'' names do seem to be taken from the wiki, but that's a game where most of the enemies don't really have official names. It makes sense to me that, for a game like NSMBU, they would be more likely to have access to official names for the game's characters. The ''Sunshine'' situation makes it look that way, at least. (Also, the Ice Snifits don't have the same Japanese name. It's the English name that is the same.) [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 10:24, April 29, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:As I stated before, several enemies of the first three ''Paper Mario'' games have different appearances compared to their mainline counterparts (see [[Pokey]], [[Spiny]], [[Buzzy Beetle]], etc), so considering the Frost Piranha's only appearances is IN those first three ''Paper Mario'' games, using their different appearances to justify they are different... is NOT a good argument. It's actually not even "completely" different like you claim it is; the only difference they have in appearance is just that the Frost Piranhas in ''Paper Mario'' are blue, while the ones in NSMBU are red.<br>As I also stated before, the 3D Land and 3D World versions of the Fire Piranha Plant also has a different appearance to the original Fire Piranha Plant... which, prior to 3D Land, we called "Venus Fire Traps" instead, and we got those merged too due to their Japanese names being the same (and the Venus Fire Traps eventually using the Fire Piranha Plant name too as of 2012).<br>As for the "completely different" attacks, both of them attack using ice coming out of their mouths. Sure, you can say it's ''sorta'' different, with one spewing ice balls and another spewing ice breath (or having a frosty bite in TTYD's case), but that's really splitting hairs IMO. [[Fire Flower]]s also work a bit different in the first two ''Paper Mario'' games (erupting an array of fireballs that targets all enemies) compared to its mainline appearances (allowing Mario to shoot one to a couple of fireballs at a time), and some enemies in ''Paper Mario'' have attacks that they don't have in mainline titles (e.g. Goombas don't headbonk in the mainline titles).<br>Also, the English version Mario Portal has used several names for other enemies that were NEVER used by this wiki before (Parachute Galoomba, Bomber Bill, Mikey Mine, etc), so calling an official English translation from an official Japanese website "very untrustworthy" just because some of the names just so happen to be used by us before as well is speculation at best an conspiracy-theorizing at worst. Also, two of your examples (Ant and Sewer Rat) ''do'' in fact have sources outside of the Mario Portal, too ("ant" was used in a couple player guides, and "sewer rat" was used in an Australian magazine). {{User:Arend/sig}} 10:35, April 29, 2023 (EDT) | :As I stated before, several enemies of the first three ''Paper Mario'' games have different appearances compared to their mainline counterparts (see [[Pokey]], [[Spiny]], [[Buzzy Beetle]], etc), so considering the Frost Piranha's only appearances is IN those first three ''Paper Mario'' games, using their different appearances to justify they are different... is NOT a good argument. It's actually not even "completely" different like you claim it is; the only difference they have in appearance is just that the Frost Piranhas in ''Paper Mario'' are blue, while the ones in NSMBU are red.<br>As I also stated before, the 3D Land and 3D World versions of the Fire Piranha Plant also has a different appearance to the original Fire Piranha Plant... which, prior to 3D Land, we called "Venus Fire Traps" instead, and we got those merged too due to their Japanese names being the same (and the Venus Fire Traps eventually using the Fire Piranha Plant name too as of 2012).<br>As for the "completely different" attacks, both of them attack using ice coming out of their mouths. Sure, you can say it's ''sorta'' different, with one spewing ice balls and another spewing ice breath (or having a frosty bite in TTYD's case), but that's really splitting hairs IMO. [[Fire Flower]]s also work a bit different in the first two ''Paper Mario'' games (erupting an array of fireballs that targets all enemies) compared to its mainline appearances (allowing Mario to shoot one to a couple of fireballs at a time), and some enemies in ''Paper Mario'' have attacks that they don't have in mainline titles (e.g. Goombas don't headbonk in the mainline titles).<br>Also, the English version Mario Portal has used several names for other enemies that were NEVER used by this wiki before (Parachute Galoomba, Bomber Bill, Mikey Mine, etc), so calling an official English translation from an official Japanese website "very untrustworthy" just because some of the names just so happen to be used by us before as well is speculation at best an conspiracy-theorizing at worst. Also, two of your examples (Ant and Sewer Rat) ''do'' in fact have sources outside of the Mario Portal, too ("ant" was used in a couple player guides, and "sewer rat" was used in an Australian magazine). {{User:Arend/sig}} 10:35, April 29, 2023 (EDT) |