Editing Talk:Gloop

==Context==
I'm not sure if the Nintendo Power preview is the ideal source for this name. The trivia that was on the page wasn't illegitimate: to clarify, the page clearly attributes the name "Pucka Jr." next to [[:File:Fangfish_DKL.PNG |artwork]] and a [[:File:Fangfish_DKL.PNG|screenshot]] of what became Fangfish. Above it, the regular "Pucka" is only listed with the unusual [[:File:Pucka.png|artwork]]. Here is the Pucka description: "''As a big fish in a little sea, Pucka makes swimming a challenge. He’ll undoubtedly make diving dangerous for land-lubbers like Diddy and Donkey.''" The Pucka Jr. description: "''Pucka Jr. is smaller and quicker than its senior counterpart.''" The assumption here seems to be that the names were mistakenly swapped and the non-Fangfish was redesigned, but that's not necessarily the only conclusion with current knowledge. Due to the lack of a pictured implemented sprite and the fact that both texts specifically mention size differences, I had the impression that the Pucka design was supposed to be an obviously larger enemy, but was cut, causing Pucka Jr. (Fangfish) to be renamed. There's no conclusive proof for either scenario; just because names from development ''can'' be used doesn't necessarily mean it's applicable.

There's also this important tidbit on pg. 89: "''The game is still in development, so some of what you see here might change for the final version, but we wanted to give Nintendo Power readers an exclusive sneak peak at what's in store for them when Donkey Kong Land comes out this spring.''"

I've went ahead and looked for an official source of the previously unverified Japanese name, and found that it more clearly points to this enemy… [http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/jEIAAOSwzrxUskz9/s-l1600.jpg Scan of 「スーパードンキーコングGB攻略ガイドブック」 (''Super Donkey Kong GB Kōryaku Guide Book'').] [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:00, 10 January 2016 (EST)
:I made the connection that the two fish enemies of varying sizes in-game were the same fish enemies of varying sizes from the manual. It's an assumption, sure, but it seems like a simpler and clearer assumption than one of the fish enemies being retooled into another fish enemy while the other was dropped entirely and then a third fish enemy was also created. I brought it up [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1802313#msg1802313 on the forums], and the path of least resistance seemed to win. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

==Name==
Given that "Pucka Jr." was intended for Fangfish, while "Pucka" was unused entirely, why is this article called Pucka Jr.? The above conversation is rather unfollowable, even with the forum link. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:24, 16 October 2017 (EDT)
:What about the above conversation is unfollowable? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:41, 16 October 2017 (EDT)
::Everything. It's basically "there's no way that name refers to this, so we'll call it by said name." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:30, 16 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Bumping this. This page should not be named "Pucka Jr.," as it was attributed to [[Fangfish]] in the magazine, and the fish said magazine labelled "Pucka" not referring to this fish, but {{media link|Pucka.png|a completely unused larger fish}}. It bears a tenuous resemblance to '''Gloop''' here, but is more elongated, and looks nothing like a {{wp|Moorish Idol}}, which is what Gloop seems to invoke. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:52, 11 January 2018 (EST)

== Move to [[Gloop]] ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|6-0|rename}}
Quick rundown: The name "Pucka Jr." comes from a pre-release ''Nintendo Power'' scan, where it is paired with what is now called [[Fangfish]], while an unused ''larger'' fish is called "Pucka." "Gloop" is a confirmed Japanese name, and while it ''technically'' could be "Group," it's unlikely, as they don't school nor do they resemble {{wp|Grouper}}s, instead looking more like {{wp|Moorish Idol}}s. "Gloop" is a typical underwater onomatopoeia. I suppose if it really comes down to it, someone from the wiki could ask Steve Mayles on Twitter if he remembers (a practice that needs to be done quite a bit more, IMO). Anyways, while the unused "Pucka" ''vaguely'' resembles the sprite for this fish, particularly in regards to fin position, it's too long. Fangfish's sprites don't terribly resemble its artwork, but they're closer than these. While it's possible that the model for that fish was further edited into one for this, that wouldn't make them the same fish in practice. And of course, whether it ''was'' developed further into this still unknown for sure, and as such should definitely not be treated as fact.

And as a reminder, the name "Pucka Jr." was ''only'' used to describe Fangfish. I'm not sure if this even ''needs'' a proposal, but no one seemed interested in discussing, so here it is.

'''Proposer:''' {{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' September 11, 2018, 23:59 (UTC)

===Support===
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per proposal.
#{{user|LinkTheLefty}} Unless Mayles or someone else in the know can clarify, Pucka Jr. should be considered an early Fangfish and Pucka an unused third fish enemy separate from Gloop. [[List of Donkey Kong Land pre-release and unused content|This wouldn't be the only thing from the Nintendo Power preview that was dropped or changed in the final game.]]
#{{user|Toadette the Achiever}} Per LinkTheLefty.
#{{user|bwburke94}} Per LinkTheLefty.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per LinkTheLefty.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.

===Oppose===

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